Hey guys, i'm trying to collect information about the Duck relatives to make my family tree, and i wanted to know if all family trees must be based on Don Rosa's version.
Personally, i don't like Rosa's family tree. For me, the real Duck-McDuck family tree is Barks' version made in the 50's
So...is Rosa's version official or i don't need to consider it?
NOTHING IS "OFFICIAL"! That's one of the cool and fascinating things about Disney comics as a worldwide phenomenon. No overall canon. No top-down control of what's "in" or "out" (as, for instance, there is in the Star Wars world). Many different theories on the issues of relationships among the characters and even on which characters exist. In some cases an editorial team in a certain publishing group will have guidelines for their authors to follow, but even when that happens, they're not the only ones publishing Disney comics, so it's still not worldwide canon, not even temporarily.
Feel free to make what choices you will, about which characters exist and how they're connected to each other!
NOTHING IS "OFFICIAL"! That's one of the cool and fascinating things about Disney comics as a worldwide phenomenon. No overall canon. No top-down control of what's "in" or "out" (as, for instance, there is in the Star Wars world). Many different theories on the issues of relationships among the characters and even on which characters exist. In some cases an editorial team in a certain publishing group will have guidelines for their authors to follow, but even when that happens, they're not the only ones publishing Disney comics, so it's still not worldwide canon, not even temporarily.
Feel free to make what choices you will, about which characters exist and how they're connected to each other!
On this very forum, some of us adhere to a Barks-via-Rosa view of these things, and many do not. I'm one of the former; I accept other characters only if they can IMO fit pretty smoothly into the Barks-via-Rosa world. For instance: yes to Belle Duck, no to Brigitta, Rumpus, Gideon. But you'll see that lots of people on this forum accept characters I do not. Some of them try to fit them in somehow to a Rosa-compatible world, and some don't care about that at all, because they either reject Rosa's version of the Duck family and Scrooge's history or see it as a fine alternative which they enjoy but do not feel bound to. Some people don't need to have one theory of how the Duckworld works that applies to all the stories; they don't need to create for themselves a single consistent canon. Other people create a consistent canon for themselves which does or doesn't accord with Rosa's. And then there's Scrooge MacDuck, who claims, delightfully but against all rationality, to be able to fit EVERYTHING EVER PUBLISHED ANYWHERE together into a consistent system, bless his heart. I myself have a personal canon as I just described, but I often enjoy and appreciate stories which will never feel "real" to me because they include characters or other elements (e.g. post-1970 tech) which don't have a place in my personal Duckworld.
Hey guys, i'm trying to collect information about the Duck relatives to make my family tree, and i wanted to know if all family trees must be based on Don Rosa's version.
Personally, i don't like Rosa's family tree. For me, the real Duck-McDuck family tree is Barks' version made in the 50's
So...is Rosa's version official or i don't need to consider it?
I know you're not new here, so you probably already know this, but there's a lot of discussion about Duck Family Trees scattered throughout this forum (in various threads, unfortunately; a lot of our discussions tend to go off-topic) ... you might find it useful while you're drawing up your own tree. You'll see that most people here have their own headcanons, as it were, regarding the way the Ducks are related to each other.
May I ask what it is about Rosa's tree you don't like? He did adhere to Barks' tree for the most part, although Barks himself made some alterations in the ensuing decades because he forgot what he originally put down. I used to treat the Rosa as gospel myself, but have since come to realize that it's flawed in many ways.
On this very forum, some of us adhere to a Barks-via-Rosa view of these things, and many do not. I'm one of the former; I accept other characters only if they can IMO fit pretty smoothly into the Barks-via-Rosa world. For instance: yes to Belle Duck, no to Brigitta, Rumpus, Gideon. But you'll see that lots of people on this forum accept characters I do not. Some of them try to fit them in somehow to a Rosa-compatible world, and some don't care about that at all, because they either reject Rosa's version of the Duck family and Scrooge's history or see it as a fine alternative which they enjoy but do not feel bound to. Some people don't need to have one theory of how the Duckworld works that applies to all the stories; they don't need to create for themselves a single consistent canon. Other people create a consistent canon for themselves which does or doesn't accord with Rosa's. And then there's Scrooge MacDuck, who claims, delightfully but against all rationality, to be able to fit EVERYTHING EVER PUBLISHED ANYWHERE together into a consistent system, bless his heart. I myself have a personal canon as I just described, but I often enjoy and appreciate stories which will never feel "real" to me because they include characters or other elements (e.g. post-1970 tech) which don't have a place in my personal Duckworld.
I do accept Rumpus (since Van Horn took pains to make him fit into the Barks-via-Rosa continuity) and could accept Gideon if he were a half-brother to Scrooge (this is a recent change in my thinking, based on discussions we've recently had elsewhere on this forum). Belle Duck is fine although I haven't read a whole lot of stories with her to form an opinion. Dickie is okay as well, as long as she isn't Scrooge's granddaughter (I wish both Belle and Dickie had last names other than Duck, but that ship has sailed). However, the evidence contradicts Rosa on his contention that Fethry and Whitewater are Donad's first cousins. They could still be siblings, but there's no reason to believe that (and I don't). Similarly, I don't like his idea that Ludwig is married to Matilda (the German translation of "Duckburg, USA" suggests that Ludwig is the son of Grandma's maternal aunt, which Rosa was probably unaware of, but I don't know if he would have accepted it if he were); Ludwig has stated that he is a bachelor in animation, and was shown dating in the Donald Duck newspaper strip. Plus, Barks himself apparently tried to dissuade Rosa from that idea (Rosa didn't show the relationship on his official published Tree, but did in a subsequent version for a fan).
Hey guys, i'm trying to collect information about the Duck relatives to make my family tree, and i wanted to know if all family trees must be based on Don Rosa's version.
Personally, i don't like Rosa's family tree. For me, the real Duck-McDuck family tree is Barks' version made in the 50's
So...is Rosa's version official or i don't need to consider it?
I know you're not new here, so you probably already know this, but there's a lot of discussion about Duck Family Trees scattered throughout this forum (in various threads, unfortunately; a lot of our discussions tend to go off-topic) ... you might find it useful while you're drawing up your own tree. You'll see that most people here have their own headcanons, as it were, regarding the way the Ducks are related to each other.
May I ask what it is about Rosa's tree you don't like? He did adhere to Barks' tree for the most part, although Barks himself made some alterations in the ensuing decades because he forgot what he originally put down. I used to treat the Rosa as gospel myself, but have since come to realize that it's flawed in many ways.
I asked because all the trees i saw here were based on Rosa's version
There are many things i don't like in Rosa's tree. For example, Whitewater was supposed to be Donald's distant cousin. I also don't like the idea of Cuthbert Coot being from Scrooge's generation. He seems to have Donald's age
I asked because all the trees i saw here were based on Rosa's version
There are many things i don't like in Rosa's tree. For example, Whitewater was supposed to be Donald's distant cousin. I also don't like the idea of Cuthbert Coot being from Scrooge's generation. He seems to have Donald's age
Rosa's tree contains the core relationships that Barks espoused (Donald is Scrooge's sister's son, HD&L are Donald's sister's sons, Grandma is the mother of Donald's father, etc.), which I believe every tree here adheres to. I don't think anyone proposes that Grandma is Scrooge's sister anymore, for example. But several people here have produced alternate trees that do not have Whitewater as Donald's first cousin, or have included characters like Gideon or Rumpus whom Rosa does not accept.
On this very forum, some of us adhere to a Barks-via-Rosa view of these things, and many do not. I'm one of the former; I accept other characters only if they can IMO fit pretty smoothly into the Barks-via-Rosa world. For instance: yes to Belle Duck, no to Brigitta, Rumpus, Gideon. But you'll see that lots of people on this forum accept characters I do not. Some of them try to fit them in somehow to a Rosa-compatible world, and some don't care about that at all, because they either reject Rosa's version of the Duck family and Scrooge's history or see it as a fine alternative which they enjoy but do not feel bound to. Some people don't need to have one theory of how the Duckworld works that applies to all the stories; they don't need to create for themselves a single consistent canon. Other people create a consistent canon for themselves which does or doesn't accord with Rosa's. And then there's Scrooge MacDuck, who claims, delightfully but against all rationality, to be able to fit EVERYTHING EVER PUBLISHED ANYWHERE together into a consistent system, bless his heart. I myself have a personal canon as I just described, but I often enjoy and appreciate stories which will never feel "real" to me because they include characters or other elements (e.g. post-1970 tech) which don't have a place in my personal Duckworld.
I do accept Rumpus (since Van Horn took pains to make him fit into the Barks-via-Rosa continuity) and could accept Gideon if he were a half-brother to Scrooge (this is a recent change in my thinking, based on discussions we've recently had elsewhere on this forum). Belle Duck is fine although I haven't read a whole lot of stories with her to form an opinion. Dickie is okay as well, as long as she isn't Scrooge's granddaughter (I wish both Belle and Dickie had last names other than Duck, but that ship has sailed). However, the evidence contradicts Rosa on his contention that Fethry and Whitewater are Donad's first cousins. They could still be siblings, but there's no reason to believe that (and I don't). Similarly, I don't like his idea that Ludwig is married to Matilda (the German translation of "Duckburg, USA" suggests that Ludwig is the son of Grandma's maternal aunt, which Rosa was probably unaware of, but I don't know if he would have accepted it if he were); Ludwig has stated that he is a bachelor in animation, and was shown dating in the Donald Duck newspaper strip. Plus, Barks himself apparently tried to dissuade Rosa from that idea (Rosa didn't show the relationship on his official published Tree, but did in a subsequent version for a fan).
Well, of course, Rosa didn't want to include Fethry on his tree at all! It probably made him feel better about having to include that whole branch of the tree to put an actual Barksian character on it, even though he knew Whitewater wasn't described as a first cousin.
How do you personally see Ludwig being Donald's uncle?
I also don't like the idea of Cuthbert Coot being from Scrooge's generation. He seems to have Donald's age
Scrooge is supposed to be very old considering the generation he's in. There's a Barks one-pager where he celebrates his 75th birthday (which Rosa ignored). And Donald is supposed to be somewhere in his mid-20s to mid-30s. So there's around 40-50 years between them (at least). Rosa has Scrooge far older than that. Anyways, Scrooge is very old in that generation, and I suppose Cuthbert is very young to be in that generation. Maybe 5-10 years older than Donald at the most. You place him where you think he fits the best!
I do accept Rumpus (since Van Horn took pains to make him fit into the Barks-via-Rosa continuity) and could accept Gideon if he were a half-brother to Scrooge (this is a recent change in my thinking, based on discussions we've recently had elsewhere on this forum). Belle Duck is fine although I haven't read a whole lot of stories with her to form an opinion. Dickie is okay as well, as long as she isn't Scrooge's granddaughter (I wish both Belle and Dickie had last names other than Duck, but that ship has sailed). However, the evidence contradicts Rosa on his contention that Fethry and Whitewater are Donad's first cousins. They could still be siblings, but there's no reason to believe that (and I don't). Similarly, I don't like his idea that Ludwig is married to Matilda (the German translation of "Duckburg, USA" suggests that Ludwig is the son of Grandma's maternal aunt, which Rosa was probably unaware of, but I don't know if he would have accepted it if he were); Ludwig has stated that he is a bachelor in animation, and was shown dating in the Donald Duck newspaper strip. Plus, Barks himself apparently tried to dissuade Rosa from that idea (Rosa didn't show the relationship on his official published Tree, but did in a subsequent version for a fan).
Well, of course, Rosa didn't want to include Fethry on his tree at all! It probably made him feel better about having to include that whole branch of the tree to put an actual Barksian character on it, even though he knew Whitewater wasn't described as a first cousin.
How do you personally see Ludwig being Donald's uncle?
I think Ludwig is the grandson of Grandma's maternal aunt and Donald's father's second cousin. I also remember a story where he was related to Scrooge (my memory is not so good though, so this story might not exist at all)
Well, of course, Rosa didn't want to include Fethry on his tree at all! It probably made him feel better about having to include that whole branch of the tree to put an actual Barksian character on it, even though he knew Whitewater wasn't described as a first cousin.
How do you personally see Ludwig being Donald's uncle?
Rosa wanted to make his tree as compact as possible, and avoid introducing any new characters or branches if he could help it. While I understand his motivations, in many cases (such as with Fethry, Whitewater and indeed Ludwig, albeit unofficially), it led to decisions that don't hold up to scrutiny in light of previously established (non-Barksian, admittedly) facts.
I think the term "uncle" is broad enough that it could refer to Donald's relationship with his grandmother's maternal cousin. Grandma refers to Ludwig as her cousin in "Barn Dance Doctor", and Ludwig himself is referred to as "a sort" of an uncle to Donald the first time he appears in the Karp/Taliaferro strips. We did discuss all this in greater detail in Ludwig's dedicated thread.
Post by TheMidgetMoose on Sept 9, 2019 0:35:45 GMT
I feel it's worth pointing out that there sort of is in-universe precedent to disregard parts of Rosa's tree. The Dutch Donald Duck site spun (at least, I'm assuming they're the first ones to spin it) a story about Gus' father Luke actually being the in-universe author of a slightly altered version of Rosa's tree. It's said that he gathered notes from Scrooge and Grandma to use to make the tree but spilled coffee on a portion of the notes. This is the explanation for why little to no information is given regarding HDL's father, but I think it could also serve as an in-universe precedent to disregard portions of Rosa's tree, as we can now say that any "errors" with the tree are a result of Luke's clumsiness.
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I feel it's worth pointing out that there sort of is in-universe precedent to disregard parts of Rosa's tree. The Dutch Donald Duck site spun (at least, I'm assuming they're the first ones to spin it) a story about Gus' father Luke actually being the in-universe author of a slightly altered version of Rosa's tree. It's said that he gathered notes from Scrooge and Grandma to use to make the tree but spilled coffee on a portion of the notes. This is the explanation for why little to no information is given regarding HDL's father, but I think it could also serve as an in-universe precedent to disregard portions of Rosa's tree, as we can now say that any "errors" with the tree are a result of Luke's clumsiness.
I knew Luke was a genealogist but i didn't knew this coffee thing