In Don Rosa's tree, Whitewater is the brother of Fethry and Donald's first cousin. When he was introduced, he was said to be a distant cousin. How to explain this change? Why did he did this?
Although it's pretty obvious Barks meant "distant" as in "far apart in blood relationship," I guess you could still understand it as "far apart in space/relevance" (meaning Donald and Whitewater hardly ever see each other and/or don't get along). Perhaps Donald really doesn't like Whitewater (who definitely is an unsavoury fellow) and describes him as "distant" to literally put distance between them.
Last Edit: Oct 27, 2019 12:52:43 GMT by juicymcduck
Although it's pretty obvious Barks meant "distant" as in "far apart in blood relationship," I guess you could still understand it as "far apart in space/relevance" (meaning Donald and Whitewater hardly ever see each other and/or don't get along).
Yes, but they didn't knew each other. Unless we consider Fethry is the older brother, then some time before 1930 Eider and Lulubelle move to far away from Duckburg and then Whitewater is born, without knowing Donald, there is still a problem
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Oct 27, 2019 13:25:01 GMT
Combing it with Douglas McDuck's considering Whitewater his nephew, my belief is that Lulubelle Loon is herself a McDuck relative. This makes Whitewater and Fethry Donald's distant cousins on their mother's side, while allowing for their placement in Don Rosa's tree to stand. At the beginning of Log Jockey, Donald had simply found Whitewater again while explorign the McDuck side of his family tree, and he hadn't stopped to realize that Whitewater was also his first cousin on the Duck side.
Combing it with Douglas McDuck's considering Whitewater his nephew, my belief is that Lulubelle Loon is herself a McDuck relative. This makes Whitewater and Fethry Donald's distant cousins on their mother's side, while allowing for their placement in Don Rosa's tree to stand. At the beginning of Log Jockey, Donald had simply found Whitewater again while explorign the McDuck side of his family tree, and he hadn't stopped to realize that Whitewater was also his first cousin on the Duck side.
In my tree, i have Lulubelle as Scrooge's second cousin, but i didn't put Whitewater as her son, he is still in a different branch of the clan
In Don Rosa's tree, Whitewater is the brother of Fethry and Donald's first cousin. When he was introduced, he was said to be a distant cousin. How to explain this change? Why did he did this?
This has been discussed multiple times on multiple prior threads, but ... Rosa was just plain wrong in his placement of both Fethry and Whitewater on his Tree. Donald clearly didn't even know Whitewater existed until he looked him up "in a family album". Even if he didn't know him personally, it strains credulity that he wouldn't even know *about* a first cousin. And Fethry was meant to be a "distant relative" (not a first cousin) as well, per Kinney/Hubbard, his creators. Some have disputed that based on another Kinney/Hubbard story where Donald refers to Fethry's unnamed father as "uncle", but that's fairly vague compared to the unambiguous prior statement that makes first cousinhood untenable. Again, all this has been discussed in detail in other threads. (And again, no native English speaker would use the term "distant cousin" to mean "closely-related cousin who lives far away".)
Also, if I remember correctly, on another thread you mentioned that you still consider Fethry and Whitwater brothers, although not raised together (I guess since Donald knows Fethry since childhood but not Whitewater). What's the point of that (especially since I also believe you mentioned you don't subscribe to Rosa's Tree)? There's no evidence outside of Rosa's tree that they share that relationship. To me it's yet another strike against their siblinghood. How could Donald not even know of Whitewater's existence if he and Fethry were childhood friends and Fethry and Whitewater were brothers? LP came up with an alternate tree where Fethry is the son of Lulubelle Loon and Upsy Duck, which is part of my headcanon and fits all known facts. LP also put Whitewater on the McDuck side, which I disagree with because it would mean yet another family named "Duck", unrelated to the Humperdink branch. I haven't decided where Whitewater fits exactly in my headcanon, though (and I disagree with the idea of making Whitewater Douglas' nephew; that makes absolutely no sense).
In Don Rosa's tree, Whitewater is the brother of Fethry and Donald's first cousin. When he was introduced, he was said to be a distant cousin. How to explain this change? Why did he did this?
This has been discussed multiple times on multiple prior threads, but ... Rosa was just plain wrong in his placement of both Fethry and Whitewater on his Tree. Donald clearly didn't even know Whitewater existed until he looked him up "in a family album". Even if he didn't know him personally, it strains credulity that he wouldn't even know *about* a first cousin. And Fethry was meant to be a "distant relative" (not a first cousin) as well, per Kinney/Hubbard, his creators. Some have disputed that based on another Kinney/Hubbard story where Donald refers to Fethry's unnamed father as "uncle", but that's fairly vague compared to the unambiguous prior statement that makes first cousinhood untenable. Again, all this has been discussed in detail in other threads. (And again, no native English speaker would use the term "distant cousin" to mean "closely-related cousin who lives far away".)
Also, if I remember correctly, on another thread you mentioned that you still consider Fethry and Whitwater brothers, although not raised together (I guess since Donald knows Fethry since childhood but not Whitewater). What's the point of that (especially since I also believe you mentioned you don't subscribe to Rosa's Tree)? There's no evidence outside of Rosa's tree that they share that relationship. To me it's yet another strike against their siblinghood. How could Donald not even know of Whitewater's existence if he and Fethry were childhood friends and Fethry and Whitewater were brothers? LP came up with an alternate tree where Fethry is the son of Lulubelle Loon and Upsy Duck, which is part of my headcanon and fits all known facts. LP also put Whitewater on the McDuck side, which I disagree with because it would mean yet another family named "Duck", unrelated to the Humperdink branch. I haven't decided where Whitewater fits exactly in my headcanon, though (and I disagree with the idea of making Whitewater Douglas' nephew; that makes absolutely no sense).
I did what? I registered my account in this forum last week, and my personal tree is totally based on Rosa's tree, except by Whitewater's placement
Although it's pretty obvious Barks meant "distant" as in "far apart in blood relationship," I guess you could still understand it as "far apart in space/relevance" (meaning Donald and Whitewater hardly ever see each other and/or don't get along). Perhaps Donald really doesn't like Whitewater (who definitely is an unsavoury fellow) and describes him as "distant" to literally put distance between them.
Although it's pretty obvious Barks meant "distant" as in "far apart in blood relationship," I guess you could still understand it as "far apart in space/relevance" (meaning Donald and Whitewater hardly ever see each other and/or don't get along).
Yes, but they didn't knew each other. Unless we consider Fethry is the older brother, then some time before 1930 Eider and Lulubelle move to far away from Duckburg and then Whitewater is born, without knowing Donald, there is still a problem
Well, I have several cousins who live in Italy like me but are located hundreds of kilometers away from me.
Yes, but they didn't knew each other. Unless we consider Fethry is the older brother, then some time before 1930 Eider and Lulubelle move to far away from Duckburg and then Whitewater is born, without knowing Donald, there is still a problem
Well, I have several cousins who live in Italy like me but are located hundreds of kilometers away from me.
The question here is not whether you have cousins who live several kilometers away, but whether your parents' siblings could have children you wouldn't even know existed unless you "looked them up in a family album". Their existence should not be a surprise to you, even if you never met them. They would be your first cousins! Fethryfan is right here, if you accept Rosa's tree, state that Whitewater is younger than Fethry and the family moves away from Duckburg before Whitewater is born, how could Donald not even know that Fethry had a brother?
Well, I have several cousins who live in Italy like me but are located hundreds of kilometers away from me.
The question here is not whether you have cousins who live several kilometers away, but whether your parents' siblings could have children you wouldn't even know existed unless you "looked them up in a family album". Their existence should not be a surprise to you, even if you never met them. They would be your first cousins! Fethryfan is right here, if you accept Rosa's tree, state that Whitewater is younger than Fethry and the family moves away from Duckburg before Whitewater is born, how could Donald not even know that Fethry had a brother?
I didn't believe that, BBJ, i was just trying to give an explanation about Abner's placement. I mean, i even know my third cousins once removed, so why wouldn't Donald know his first cousin?
About my tree, i am still building it, but i can send you a link when it's ready
I didn't believe that, BBJ, i was just trying to give an explanation about Abner's placement. I mean, i even know my third cousins once removed, so why wouldn't Donald know his first cousin?
About my tree, i am still building it, but i can send you a link when it's ready
Yes, I know you were raising a hypothetical, and I was agreeing with your argument. And as I was saying, you may not know your first cousin, but it's unlikely you would not know *about* your first cousin.
Maybe we should have a dedicated thread for everyone's Family Trees.
EDIT: Also, in reference to what was stated earlier, if Donald thinks Whitewater is an "unsavory fellow and wants to put distant between him", why seek him out the way he does?
Well, I have several cousins who live in Italy like me but are located hundreds of kilometers away from me.
The question here is not whether you have cousins who live several kilometers away, but whether your parents' siblings could have children you wouldn't even know existed unless you "looked them up in a family album". Their existence should not be a surprise to you, even if you never met them.
There is the possibility that your uncle and aunt are also living several kilometers away and you barely know about them.
They would be your first cousins! Fethryfan is right here, if you accept Rosa's tree, state that Whitewater is younger than Fethry and the family moves away from Duckburg before Whitewater is born, how could Donald not even know that Fethry had a brother?
Well, Whitewater first appeared in 1962, while Fethry first appeared in 1964. Although I don't think the story necessarily take place when they are published (especially if they were published after the 1950s) or even in the same order they are published, it's plausible that Donald met Whitewater before meeting Fethry.
As for Rosa's tree, I admit I do accept it. How could I not? I grew up on it, and together with "Life and Times" it was practically my first foray into non-Italian material and into more serious Disney material. Plus, when Rosa came in Italy last May I even got a signed copy of the redrawn tree, with myself as the husband of Della Duck and father of Huey, Dewey and Louie, who now share my surname. Ok, I guess these changes are (probably) non-canon, but my fondness for the legendary tree grew even further. I remember when I was in primary school, and after a quick glance on it in the Paperdinastia volume I decided not to look at it until finishing the book, because I wanted to study it carefully and because I wanted to create more hype and save it for the finish, to increase the enjoyment. It worked. Since that copy of Paperdinastia wasn't mine I couldn't keep it, but I decided to do a photocopy of some pages, and I chose the tree and the introductory article. I still have the multiple black and white photocopies from back then even though I now have many books with the actual tree and even a big poster.