Stories where the Beagle Boys are unmasked?

[Orora]

I remember at least one story where a Beagle Boy was temporarily shown without his mask (getting pulled from a fence at a farm or something), which was weird considering they constantly wear their masks. But I don't know which comic it was anymore...

Any story with unmasked Beagle Boy that you remember?

[Matilda]

You could post this on the new "I can't remember" thread; there it perhaps has a better chance of getting responses over time, since the thread is less likely to drop off the bottom of the screen.

[Orora]

Though it's not just a specific story, but I am curious of the instances where the Beagle Boys are shown unmasked, since I think it would have happened more than once.

[Baar Baar Jinx]

There was an entire thread on this on the DCF; I considered re-posting it here, but it was very image-rich and so would be quite a chore. But if you're interested, I  believe the thread was called "Beagle Boys ...without mask!" (you can search the HTML file that is linked to from here:

inducks.org/fr/richard/dcf

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Okay, here are some from posts that thread (all the images are lost; or rather, are separated from the thread and are too much work to identify and post here):

Roger North 2010-01-27, 19:19:54

I can't think of any story where the Beagle Boys are unmasked other than the stories you just mentioned.

Dutch Duckfan Down Under 2010-01-27, 16:26:53

In H 27105.

Coolwater 2010-02-03, 10:29:33

More:

W DD 81-02 (Strobl/Steere: The Golden Rainbow)
S 63029 (Wright: The Mystery of the Bulb Snatchers)
I TL 337-AP (A. Barosso/G. Barosso/Carpi: Paperino e le conchiglie zebrate)

Sim 2010-01-26, 21:29:15

Do you know any story in which any Beagle Boy is un-masked?
I have found some story in which one or more Beagles is un-masked.
In:
-W USGD 1-02, Blackheart Beagle loses his mask.
-D 91411, in some panel, the Beagle's fathers are un-masked.
-W DG 38-01, a Beagle is un-masked.
-W BB 13-04, 176-671 is un-masked (and strangely handsome without the mask!).
-W JW 54-01, one of the Beagle Brats is un-masked.
-I TL 2696-3, Ottoperotto, the Beagles' dog is un-masked.

Dutch Duckfan Down Under 2010-03-03, 16:25:09

In H 28215.

Dia-Dia 2010-03-05, 19:24:21

*Zio Paperone e il cilindro magico (coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL++569-B)

Pmspg 2010-03-13, 19:03:59

An other one : [coa.inducks.org/s.php?c=W+BB+++34-03] : a Beagle Boy tries to surprize Scrooge without his mask.

Dia-Dia 2010-05-08, 16:29:38

In "Paperino e le conchiglie zebrate" (I TL 337-AP, coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL++337-AP) they are actually shown unmasked on several panels. Most time in disguise, i. e. in a tuxedo, with a bowler hat and a false moustache, but on one occasion completely bare-faced. They look strangely middle-aged there!

ramapith 2010-08-16, 16:37:17

[Coolwater]: (Strobl/Steere: The Golden Rainbow)

Oh, yesâ??the bizarre one where the Beagles go maskless for the entire story, seemingly as part of disguises (...though wearing disguises has never stopped Beagles from keeping their masks anywhere else!).

Dutch Duckfan Down Under 2010-10-31, 15:22:53

In H 96226.

Dia-Dia 2011-04-28, 19:04:15

Carpi again, in I TL 598-AP. The BB looking quite middle-aged, again.

Indiana Goof 2011-04-30, 18:28:37

Fascinating -- it's really different to see them without their masks for once, I never really thought about it before. Are there any other examples?

I also think it's a much more entertaining and worthwhile piece of subject matter to discuss as opposed to, say, (*ahem!*) a certain other thread, of which said other thread's name shall go completely unmentioned here because, frankly, if there's one thing it does NOT need, it's more attention.

Dia-Dia 2011-05-09, 15:28:11

"Zio Paperone e il cilindro magico"

This Beagle Boy is disguised as Scrooge's butler, there are 4 more panels in the story showing him without mask like this.

Baar Baar Jinx 2011-05-09, 16:36:42

Barks himself showed us a Beagle Boy sans mask at least once in "Billions Down the Hole". There may be other examples in his work, but none come immediately to mind.

However, I kind of like the unwritten rule that the Beagle Boys are never supposed to be shown without their masks. Doesn't make sense but is a delightful little quirk. The examples above where that is violated strike me as quite gratuitous.

Dia-Dia 2011-05-09, 20:21:06

Not in context. Not in context.

Baar Baar Jinx 2011-05-10, 13:53:39

I admit I haven't read any of the above stories (since most of them have not been published in the US); but was there really a need to violate the rule that the Beagle Boys must always appear with masks, even when they're in disguise? That convention is so silly that it's funny per se... a Beagle Boy trying to pass for Scrooge's butler but still wearing a mask doesn't make much sense, but then neither does the mask in the first place. What makes it even funnier is that no one is able to immediately tell that they're talking to a Beagle Boy in disguise ... sort of a spoof of the Clark Kent/glasses thing. Re: "Zio Paperone e il cilindro magico" I'm curious, since he's not wearing his mask ... not that it would make a difference .... how did Scrooge know it was a Beagle Boy?

Dia-Dia 2011-05-11, 11:45:32

He explains later that the real butler wouldn't have asked for his hat, but for his long-due salary. The story turns around a magical hat that HDL have discovered and which the BB want to steal at any cost.

Mr. M 2012-08-05, 19:37:44

There was an DuckTales episode... "Scroogarello" the title was I think... where one of the Beagle Boys (Burger) was seen without his mask in one shot, propably do to an animation error. It still was hard not to notice since it was so unusuall.

I would do a screen shot but my "print-screen" button isn't working...

kimba_1962 2012-08-06, 15:41:33

I believe that such a shot DID occur during "Scroogerello." There was at least one other case of a Beagle appearing sans mask -- I think it was during "Liquid Assets," the first part of the Gizmoduck debut story. It was a blink-and-you-missed-it moment when the Beagles walked into Scrooge's bin (?).

Mr. M 2012-08-06, 16:02:45

I just rewatched that episode and I can't find it...


BTW -> One more animated Beagle Boy without a mask moment is in animated movie "Mickey, Donald and Goofy - The three Musketeers" when one of the Beagles gets so shock at one point near the end that his mask jump above his head

Mr. M 2012-08-20, 00:40:42

Here is a obscure axample :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbYcvtOXk_E Click to minute 8.

In this episode of "Quack Pack" Donald is straning a bunch of guard dogs and - in a interesting cameo - uses a Beagle Boy mannequin to teach the dogs to attack the bad guy. Affter few feild attemps we can see the Beagle boy in the background... with his mask taken off (!!!)

Monochrome 2012-08-28, 01:40:31

For the Scroogarello DuckTales Episode, I found it! Sorry for the kind of bad picture, my computer wasn't wanting to read the Duck Tales disc so I had to play it on TV and take a picture of it.

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Yikes I don't blame Scrooge for that expression with how that Beagle boy is looking at him!

Mr. M 2012-08-28, 02:48:45

WOW!!!!
YHE! That's the scene


I always asume the reason why the Beagle Boys have the masks is because they are horrible disfigure under them. You know, some sort of "Phantom fo the Opera" thing going on...

Monochrome 2012-08-28, 09:03:18

To tell the truth I didn't notice it before it was pointed out to me here, now I don't think I can unsee that now (:

Hmm that is an interesting theory. I never thought of it that before. That would explain why they usually just don't take off their masks even though it makes it pretty obvious if they don't wear glasses (which you think Scrooge would have a complex about people in sunglasses by now haha). It's the lesser of two evils.

Mr. M 2012-09-05, 14:13:19

The example from ""Mickey, Donald and Goofy - The Three Musketeers"

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Monochrome 2012-09-10, 05:44:24

That scene brings up so many questions that are beyond simply him without a mask that I don't even know (why is he wearing a dress? Why is the dress pink of all colours? etc.). I guess this is another of those things that make sense in context.

Mr. M 2012-09-10, 08:25:16

Ow it makes... sort of To be honest I recomend you check out this cartoon and see for yourself
I admit the first half is very cliché, the song are a bit lazy (rather then write their own songs they just did riffs on classical scores) and I think it would work better if it was 20 minutes shorter... but the second half is very enjoyable. There are few sader and darker scenes that work very well (I like how Pete turns from a very goofy, comedic villian into a very dark one for few scenes), there is plenty of good comedic moments, there is an unecspected romance betwen two characters I won't dare to spoil but let's just say the scene is very, very funny and as I mentioned in diffrent post their version of the Beagle Boys is pretty cool and fun to watch...
Plus - for a made for TV movie - the animation is incredible good even if it dosen't have the cinematic levels of "The Prince and the Pauper"...

MrCleveland 2012-09-16, 21:48:13

It's interesting to see maskless Beagle Boys, something that's a rarity but not in Disney Duck Comics!

kimba_1962 2012-10-02, 00:57:11

Another example of Beagles without masks: the DUCKTALES episode "Top Duck." Throughout most of the episode, Burger, Bouncer, and their crooked-pilot sibling Bomber wear green-tinted glasses. Bomber, in fact, may be the only Beagle in history who is NEVER seen with a black mask at any point during his (one-shot) appearance.

Mr. M 2012-10-02, 23:01:39

I belive you see him in a black mask in the very first seen when he appears in a plane to set Big-time and others free but I may be wrong about that...

Mr. M 2012-10-02, 23:11:04

Ta-da!

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It is only for a second to be honest so it's easy to miss if you blink your eyes...
Actually I wonder why they simply didn't use Bankjob Beagle (it's not like "Well, we never establish that he can fly a plane" would be such a big deal)

I always asume Beagles had mask on in this episodes but they where udner the Beagle googles... it would be in their nature to put theri discusie on their masks...

kimba_1962 2012-10-05, 20:26:45

I dunno... it's almost as if his eyes are shaded or hooded here, so it's hard to make out the mask. But you may very well be right. Too bad we didn't get a closeup of this scene.

Monochrome 2012-10-13, 03:19:21

I actually never remembered that that Beagle Boy existing. But it looks like he's wearing a mask to me... If you look close enough, it looks like a wee bit of flesh between his "mask" and hat, or at least to me.

Mr. M 2013-05-20, 21:06:58

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Did somebody post this one already? If not here you go...

Opel Rekord1985 2013-05-22, 17:25:10

I've never seen them without masks myself but thanks for this, keep þhem köming. :3

Mr. M 2013-06-07, 23:36:02

Look what Big-Time forgot...
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Mr. M 2013-06-07, 23:45:43

Boy, did animators didn't care for this particular episode... Just look :

Two Burgers in one shot!!!!
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Evil Geox 2013-06-23, 07:08:22

Ah! I love Duck Tales version of the Beagle Boys! Burger is my favorite one

Baar Baar Jinx 2013-06-23, 19:11:15

[Evil Geox]Ah! I love Duck Tales version of the Beagle Boys! Burger is my favorite one

Okay, who left the transdimensional portal open?

Opel Rekord1985 2013-06-28, 00:32:57

It wasn't me! I promisze. ^^

corbingravely 2014-01-20, 06:54:46

an, this just gives me goosebumps. It brings back all those years back in a second. Scrooge was one of my favorite characters you know. And of course Donald duck. Man it was all damn funny. There is no cartoon today that was as much fun as those old ones.

[LP]

The only ones I can think of are The Master of the Mississippi and The Beagle Boys vs. the Money Bin, both by Don Rosa.

[Hector]

Such stories feel a bad idea to me. Some things in fiction are just not meant to ever be seen by the readers.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeWhoMustNotBeSeen?from=Main.SheWhoMustNotBeSeen

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Nov 26, 2019 15:29:06 GMT Hector said:

Such stories feel a bad idea to me. Some things in fiction are just not meant to ever be seen by the readers.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeWhoMustNotBeSeen?from=Main.SheWhoMustNotBeSeen

I agree. As you can see in my comments from the DCF thread over eight years ago, I think the Beagle Boys should never be wantonly unmasked. When I expressed that opinion, another member suggested that the unmasking was appropriate "in context", but I never learned why or how. Rosa, at least, strictly adheres to the "always masked" rule; when his Beagles are unmasked, they are in shadow, off-panel, have their back to us or have a "negative mask" (as in the panel from "Master of the MIssissippi" posted above).

[gadgetphile]

Nov 26, 2019 4:39:44 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Okay, here are some from posts that thread (all the images are lost; or rather, are separated from the thread and are too much work to identify and post here):

Well, some of us have too much time on our hands.
inducks.org/fr/richard/dcf/img/E07w4l_m0IB8T.jpg
inducks.org/fr/richard/dcf/img/MQdn4a_PxkygI.jpg
inducks.org/fr/richard/dcf/img/NPIIXz_UL4U9Y.jpg

[TheMidgetMoose]

Nov 26, 2019 21:33:49 GMT gadgetphile said:

Nov 26, 2019 4:39:44 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Okay, here are some from posts that thread (all the images are lost; or rather, are separated from the thread and are too much work to identify and post here):

Well, some of us have too much time on our hands.
inducks.org/fr/richard/dcf/img/E07w4l_m0IB8T.jpg
inducks.org/fr/richard/dcf/img/MQdn4a_PxkygI.jpg
inducks.org/fr/richard/dcf/img/NPIIXz_UL4U9Y.jpg

[LP]

Nov 26, 2019 18:27:30 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Nov 26, 2019 15:29:06 GMT Hector said:

Such stories feel a bad idea to me. Some things in fiction are just not meant to ever be seen by the readers.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeWhoMustNotBeSeen?from=Main.SheWhoMustNotBeSeen

I agree. As you can see in my comments from the DCF thread over eight years ago, I think the Beagle Boys should never be wantonly unmasked. When I expressed that opinion, another member suggested that the unmasking was appropriate "in context", but I never learned why or how. Rosa, at least, strictly adheres to the "always masked" rule; when his Beagles are unmasked, they are in shadow, off-panel, have their back to us or have a "negative mask" (as in the panel from "Master of the MIssissippi" posted above).

This is a fascinating opinion to me. I've never thought about it, to be honest. I would mostly agree that the Beagles should never be unmasked. However, I'm also of the opinion that most rules have exceptions. 
 
In my opinion, the only time we should see the Beagles' full faces would be in stories focusing on them, stories that try to make them into real characters. Stories where we see what their lives are like when they are not spending all of their time trying to rob Scrooge. Of course, some people prefer to think of these characters as only existing in relation to Scrooge with the sole purpose of trying to rob him... If that's the case, I can see why you wouldn't want them to be seen unmasked in their downtime - they don't have any downtime! I guess that's an okay interpretation, but it's one I personally don't agree with.

[Baar Baar Jinx]

This is an interesting discussion, to be sure. I do believe there are certain characters that are "props"; meant to play a defined supporting or antagonistic role vis-à-vis the protagonists, so they aren't meant to be explored in depth or portrayed in a sympathetic light. And yes, in my mind, the Beagle Boys are such a character (I deliberately use the singular tense because they are all one character to me). Western gave them their own comic series where they essentially behaved as they would in the Scrooge comics, minus Scrooge for the most part. But I would also argue that, unlike the Blot's mask, for example (which is really more of a hood), the Beagle Boys' masks don't hide their "identities", their expressions, or their motivations. Therefore, it's possible to have an emotional story focusing on them without their needing to be portrayed maskless. Indeed, I'm still not convinced that in any of the stories mentioned above, the unmasking of the Beagles was narratively necessary or justifiable (I still haven't read any of them, but I'm going by the descriptions), assuming you subscribe to the comic book convention that the masks are just amusing little parts of their uniforms that don't serve to identify or disguise them (as Barks seemed to think).

[Matilda]

The best story I've read which makes them into real, sympathetic characters is the Chendi/Scarpa Christmas story, Being Good for Goodness Sake. True, they start out focused on a plan to rob the bin, but once they encounter the poor widow and her son they interact with her out of their own personal childhood memories of a fatherless Christmas and their own good hearts. And they are never unmasked. So that counts as an argument that you don't need to unmask the Beagles to give them humanity, backstory and non-robbery-related motivations.

[Hector]

Nov 27, 2019 14:42:14 GMT Matilda said:

The best story I've read which makes them into real, sympathetic characters is the Chendi/Scarpa Christmas story, Being Good for Goodness Sake. True, they start out focused on a plan to rob the bin, but once they encounter the poor widow and her son they interact with her out of their own personal childhood memories of a fatherless Christmas and their own good hearts. And they are never unmasked. So that counts as an argument that you don't need to unmask the Beagles to give them humanity, backstory and non-robbery-related motivations.

Canon Beagle Boys were true villains, threatening Scrooge's life multiple times.

[LP]

I do agree that there is a difference between the Beagles' masks and the Blot's hood. And also I agree that they can be empathized with even when wearing their masks. That wasn't my point, however. I meant that by showing them without masks, we would be shown that they aren't just criminals. They are people too. They sleep, eat, go to the supermarket (maybe? I don't know)*, have conversations with other Beagles, and go for a walk in the park too. And sure, we're not shown that side of them too often, because their characters exist primarily to serve the function of criminals towards Scrooge. 
Basically, I like to think of fictional universes as "still going on" even in between the stories we read. I like to think of the characters, no matter how 2-dimensional, as "real". I like to think that even the Beagle Boys sleep, go to the bathroom, and take showers. Do they do those things with their masks on? I'd like to think not, but I can see the humor in them keeping the masks on for that. 
I'm really rambling now, but I guess I could summarize my point by saying 1) you don't need to remove their masks to humanize them, but 2) the mask-removal would show that there is more going on with them (although I'm not sure that there actually is. But there could be.) 

*...Actually, how do the Beagles handle the supermarket? Do they pay for their pasta or do they rob the store every time they run low?