Post by Quagmire McDuck on May 2, 2024 11:59:43 GMT
That's it, for the photos, I added them to the "Élisabeth" page on Picsou Wiki because I didn't know how to send them to you otherwise. The link is below: picsou.fandom.com/fr/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth
That's it, for the photos, I added them to the "Élisabeth" page on Picsou Wiki because I didn't know how to send them to you otherwise. The link is below: picsou.fandom.com/fr/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth
Thanks, but Elisabeth and her children are already on the tree.
That's it, for the photos, I added them to the "Élisabeth" page on Picsou Wiki because I didn't know how to send them to you otherwise. The link is below: picsou.fandom.com/fr/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth
Thanks, but Elisabeth and her children are already on the tree.
It would be nice to have updated links to the tree, I see that LP stopped updating his chart.
Thanks, but Elisabeth and her children are already on the tree.
It would be nice to have updated links to the tree, I see that LP stopped updating his chart.
The most recent version of the tree is on the website, so via this link you always find the most recent version of the tree. LP also has put a link to it in the opening post.
In searching for some sources, I found a post from Farmspirit on Papersera with some relatives of Brigitta: I SMIT 50-1 features Brigitta's uncle. Supposedly his name is Jean-Paper Pointière. The story definitely does at least mention an uncle of Brigitta's, from what I could find.
Supposedly it's this gentleman here, though I have been unable to get concrete confirmation of this.
Next is I TL 2709-1 Brigitta's great-grandfather is mentioned. I only have the Brazilian version - no access to the original Italian. Supposedly he's named as Printer MacBridge, but I can't confirm this.
(My great-grandfather wouldn't be happy to know that we're publishing a gossip magazine!)
I TL 2650-3 supposedly features some kind of ancestor of Brigitta's, but I can't access it myself.
I TL 2564-1 supposedly mentions an aunt Herrietta. I read the German version and could find no mention of her, but it's possible she wasn't translated over for whatever reason.
I TL 2879-5 supposedly mentions an aunt Caterina, but I was unable to access the story to confirm.
Finally, I'm about to do what's called a pro-gamer move. I AT 73-B is the last, which I couldn't access. It supposedly mentions an aunt (or great-aunt?) Eustorgia, though I couldn't confirm this.
What I could confirm is that Brigitta wanted to invite over her great-great-cousins... 100 of them.
(Too bad my great-great-cousins couldn't come! Another hundred people would have given the reception more liveliness, right?)
I'm still ticking away at the index, but I thought I'd throw in this info after digging it up
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In searching for some sources, I found a post from Farmspirit on Papersera with some relatives of Brigitta: I SMIT 50-1 features Brigitta's uncle. Supposedly his name is Jean-Paper Pointière. The story definitely does at least mention an uncle of Brigitta's, from what I could find.
Supposedly it's this gentleman here, though I have been unable to get concrete confirmation of this.
Next is I TL 2709-1 Brigitta's great-grandfather is mentioned. I only have the Brazilian version - no access to the original Italian. Supposedly he's named as Printer MacBridge, but I can't confirm this.
(My great-grandfather wouldn't be happy to know that we're publishing a gossip magazine!)
I TL 2650-3 supposedly features some kind of ancestor of Brigitta's, but I can't access it myself.
I TL 2564-1 supposedly mentions an aunt Herrietta. I read the German version and could find no mention of her, but it's possible she wasn't translated over for whatever reason.
I TL 2879-5 supposedly mentions an aunt Caterina, but I was unable to access the story to confirm.
Finally, I'm about to do what's called a pro-gamer move. I AT 73-B is the last, which I couldn't access. It supposedly mentions an aunt (or great-aunt?) Eustorgia, though I couldn't confirm this.
What I could confirm is that Brigitta wanted to invite over her great-great-cousins... 100 of them.
(Too bad my great-great-cousins couldn't come! Another hundred people would have given the reception more liveliness, right?)
I'm still ticking away at the index, but I thought I'd throw in this info after digging it up
farmspirit and I did some research on Brigitta's family a few years ago (never published it, though) and I can confirm all of these characters. Also, her uncle's name was originally John-Duck McBridge, but he changed it after moving to France.
In this story inducks.org/story.php?c=I+G++0717-1 two alternative grandma duck's parents appears (it isn't specificated if they are parents or uncles,grandparents or other)
In searching for some sources, I found a post from Farmspirit on Papersera with some relatives of Brigitta: I SMIT 50-1 features Brigitta's uncle. Supposedly his name is Jean-Paper Pointière. The story definitely does at least mention an uncle of Brigitta's, from what I could find.
Supposedly it's this gentleman here, though I have been unable to get concrete confirmation of this.
Next is I TL 2709-1 Brigitta's great-grandfather is mentioned. I only have the Brazilian version - no access to the original Italian. Supposedly he's named as Printer MacBridge, but I can't confirm this.
(My great-grandfather wouldn't be happy to know that we're publishing a gossip magazine!)
I TL 2650-3 supposedly features some kind of ancestor of Brigitta's, but I can't access it myself.
I TL 2564-1 supposedly mentions an aunt Herrietta. I read the German version and could find no mention of her, but it's possible she wasn't translated over for whatever reason.
I TL 2879-5 supposedly mentions an aunt Caterina, but I was unable to access the story to confirm.
Finally, I'm about to do what's called a pro-gamer move. I AT 73-B is the last, which I couldn't access. It supposedly mentions an aunt (or great-aunt?) Eustorgia, though I couldn't confirm this.
What I could confirm is that Brigitta wanted to invite over her great-great-cousins... 100 of them. (Too bad my great-great-cousins couldn't come! Another hundred people would have given the reception more liveliness, right?)
I'm still ticking away at the index, but I thought I'd throw in this info after digging it up
farmspirit and I did some research on Brigitta's family a few years ago (never published it, though) and I can confirm all of these characters. Also, her uncle's name was originally John-Duck McBridge, but he changed it after moving to France.
Excellent! I saw the name John-Duck McBridge crossed out, but I figured that was down to that being a fan translation or something Do you have any scans confirming the names/appearances of these characters? No pressure, but it would be much appreciated!
It was actually your post on Lena MacBridge that helped me to find farmspirit's post, so thank you for that!
In this story inducks.org/story.php?c=I+G++0717-1 two alternative grandma duck's parents appears (it isn't specificated if they are parents or uncles,grandparents or other)
Do you have any scans of these characters? If they're not specified, it might be possible to assume that they're other relatives as you say
Also, while tipping away at the index, just two things that have occurred to me. One regarding Descendants - is there any intent to add the ones from D 2005-070 to the tree? I ask because they're the only ones in the section not accounted for. If they're added, it can be deleted altogether - if not, I may want to rename the section.
The other point is regarding adoptive relatives. In the beginning, it was decided that they shouldn't be added - this was because they'd add way too much work and confusion to the tree. Which was a reasonable thought process.
However, in all that time, we have a grand total of 29 adoptive relatives. 30 if we count Yanez. Even at that, 8 of those would only be added because they're related to Daffy.
There's technically potential for things to massively go south, like if it turns out that characters are related to Mickey or Goofy or the like, but even then, nothing of the sort has come up. The only ones of concern would be the Thénardiers (Who I don't believe are ever confirmed to be related to Pete or Trudy), the Bassottos (Who I don't believe are ever confirmed to be related to the Beagles, though I can double-check) and maybe Guinevere - but even then, that's only if you interpret her marriage to Arthur to be a fact.
I dunno, at this stage I think the question is worth revisiting - it's been years now, and if we hadn't added Daffy, we'd only be at 21 adoptive relatives (22 if we count Yanez). Personally, I'm for it, considering it hasn't been the nightmare it was expected to be.
So, tl;dr on that: Is it time we considered adding adoptive relatives, since there aren't really that many?
And, as a side-note, I've been thinking about Little Helper. Should he technically be added as either an adoptive son or clone of Gyro? In D 2001-143, we see how Little Helper was created, at least in Rosa canon - he became sentient upon having some of Gyro's intelligence transferred to him. Since Gyro's consciousness is the basis on which he's alive, should we consider him as a clone in a similar capacity to the Mad Ducktor?
I'm also interested in visiting the idea of adding clones, but we can revisit that later - for now the above questions are my main line of query
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I love hearing about bizarre/obscure Disney works - recommendations welcome!
Also, while tipping away at the index, just two things that have occurred to me. One regarding Descendants - is there any intent to add the ones from D 2005-070 to the tree? I ask because they're the only ones in the section not accounted for. If they're added, it can be deleted altogether - if not, I may want to rename the section.
If there are no objections, I can add those when the tree is updated again.
So, tl;dr on that: Is it time we considered adding adoptive relatives, since there aren't really that many?
And, as a side-note, I've been thinking about Little Helper. Should he technically be added as either an adoptive son or clone of Gyro? In D 2001-143, we see how Little Helper was created, at least in Rosa canon - he became sentient upon having some of Gyro's intelligence transferred to him. Since Gyro's consciousness is the basis on which he's alive, should we consider him as a clone in a similar capacity to the Mad Ducktor?
I'm also interested in visiting the idea of adding clones, but we can revisit that later - for now the above questions are my main line of query
Maybe we can indeed re-evaluate if we want to add adoptions and/or clones. But before adding anyone, I think we should at least first determine what are exactly the inclusion criteria. Because if the criteria are not clear it's going to look like an unorganized addition of some random characters, since there will be some cases that are going to be problematic. I think about Webby/April and by extension also Mrs Beakley, where we have the additional problem of how to take into account both the original and the reboot versions.
Also, I think that the list may actually be a little longer, especially if you are counting Little Helper. I just found a story (H 2016-040) in which different ancestors of Gyro appear from various time periods (I will post about it later). And all of them have their own Little Helper, similar as Gyro's. And there might very well be some other stories in which multiple Little Helpers appears. The front page of the Dutch issue in which that story was published also shows multiple Little Helpers (and that are not just the ones from that story).
Also, while tipping away at the index, just two things that have occurred to me. One regarding Descendants - is there any intent to add the ones from D 2005-070 to the tree? I ask because they're the only ones in the section not accounted for. If they're added, it can be deleted altogether - if not, I may want to rename the section.
If there are no objections, I can add those when the tree is updated again.
So, tl;dr on that: Is it time we considered adding adoptive relatives, since there aren't really that many?
And, as a side-note, I've been thinking about Little Helper. Should he technically be added as either an adoptive son or clone of Gyro? In D 2001-143, we see how Little Helper was created, at least in Rosa canon - he became sentient upon having some of Gyro's intelligence transferred to him. Since Gyro's consciousness is the basis on which he's alive, should we consider him as a clone in a similar capacity to the Mad Ducktor?
I'm also interested in visiting the idea of adding clones, but we can revisit that later - for now the above questions are my main line of query
Maybe we can indeed re-evaluate if we want to add adoptions and/or clones. But before adding anyone, I think we should at least first determine what are exactly the inclusion criteria. Because if the criteria are not clear it's going to look like an unorganized addition of some random characters, since there will be some cases that are going to be problematic. I think about Webby/April and by extension also Mrs Beakley, where we have the additional problem of how to take into account both the original and the reboot versions.
Also, I think that the list may actually be a little longer, especially if you are counting Little Helper. I just found a story (H 2016-040) in which different ancestors of Gyro appear from various time periods (I will post about it later). And all of them have their own Little Helper, similar as Gyro's. And there might very well be some other stories in which multiple Little Helpers appears. The front page of the Dutch issue in which that story was published also shows multiple Little Helpers (and that are not just the ones from that story).
Excellent - apologies if I've been pushy on those ones, they're just an odd set
As for Adoptive relatives, I've been working with these criteria:
If a character is shown being legally adopted in any capacity, they should be counted. This applies to: Danger Duck's adoptive parents from Loonatics - In the Pinkster Joey from Daddy Duck. Milone Paperone from I TL 197-AP is forced to legally recognize Paperin Meschino as his nephew (Though this could be understood as son for the tree).
If a character was not legally adopted, but either is shown to have been raised by a character on the tree, their inclusion should be considered. This applies to: Bubba Duck from Ducktales. As a child who lives with Scrooge - and thus is his responsibility - he should be considered as being adopted by him. Though this may be arguable, I think it should stand on the grounds that he appears multiple times afterwards, so the adoption clearly stuck in at least that universe. Cosette from I TL 1743-AP, who was raised by Jean Valduck. If we assume Cosette to be a fair inclusion, the Thénardiers would also warrant inclusion. Monna Papera from I TL 197-AP - I haven't read, so am not sure if there's any indication of legal status, but she clearly adopted him. Guinevere from A Twisted Tale: Set in Stone. Madam Mim took her in effectively the same way Gothel took Rapunzel in Tangled - she raised her for all of her childhood, and while it obviously wasn't legal, they both recognize each other as family in some capacity. She's also noted in the blurb as Mim's foster daughter. The Bassottos family from I TL 1800-AP. They raised Anatrucculos, and while I don't recall legal status being mentioned (Will double-check), they were the ones to raise him from childhood to adulthood.
Note regarding the above: The rule, essentially, is that they're shown to have been responsible for or dependent on the relevant character for a significant period of time. This can be understood in either a single story where the relationship is shown to last many years, or multiple stories in which a relationship is displayed as being more than just a one-off or minor recurring thing.
Finally, assuming that a character is included, their blood relatives would obviously be relevant inclusions. The only exception would be if, effectively, it was to spawn another family tree - so, for example, if Terrible Tom Thénardier is confirmed to be an ancestor of Pete, maybe just have an arrow trailing off to explain that connection.
A character would not be eligible if: The adoption has no legal backing in-story and only lasts for one story/story arc. The adoption is not elaborated on in any capacity (For example, Gilles Maurice's tree has Gene, who never appeared as part of the family again to my recollection, nor was he actually shown to be taken in by or live with Scrooge, unlike Bubba.)
These can be fine-tuned, but I think the general sentiment works - though I'm open to discussion on that
For clones, I'll admit, the reason I wanted to revisit this is because I'm not entirely sure of what the criteria should be, myself. Obviously, the cloning process can be pretty unrealistic - as such, there isn't as concrete a way to define it. The ones we do have are all different in how they're portrayed; Webby was made using Scrooge's DNA. May and June were made using Webby's. The Mad Ducktor was Gyro's negative side whose spirit was split off and gained his own body. Phooey exists randomly due to 'spontaneous cell division'. The Ludwig clone was a gag, but she's shown to be a different entity to Ludwig.
Then there's the question of Little Helper, whose sapience comes from Gyro, which is effectively the same as Mad Ducktor but without the... PK shenanigans
It's all fairly hard to define. I think the adoptive relatives have pretty reasonable criteria, but the clones are harder to identify.
Assuming Webby was added, I'd say it should solely be down to the 2017 continuum - she and Beakley are very clearly distinct characters from their 1987 counterparts. They have almost nothing in common with the originals, and should reasonably be understood to be separate, same with Bubba.
Regarding Little Helper, I think it's worth noting that Little Helper would only qualify because of D 2001-143; it's not just that he's an intelligent being, but an intelligent being whose intelligence is directly shown to be from Gyro. Not in a 'created by' sense, but his ability to exist as a sapient being comes from the transfer of Gyro's intelligence. If no such similar event was shown for other incarnations of Little Helper, it could be understood that they're just intelligent AI or the like - effectively, they'd have the rule that the lookalikes fall under, where absence of proof makes them ineligible.
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here there are the scans for the grandma duck's "parents"
Interesting - is it implied that she lives with them full time or the like?
Outside of looks, they somewhat resemble Priscilla and Geremia from I M 14-2. As in, the story beats are similar - maybe we could consider these two to be an aunt and uncle (One being a sibling of either Priscilla/Geremia) with Grandma going through a similar story?
I don't know how viable that is, but I can't see them being grandparents. As such, I'd recommend either having them as siblings of Clinton and Gertrude (As in, one of Clinton/Gertrude being a sibling of one of these two) or just being merged in with them, depending on which you think would fit the story better
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Quick minor update: I checked I TL 1800-AP. Nothing implies that the Bassottos family is linked to the Beagles - the accompanying info in the Opera Omnia book also doesn't mention any relation. As such, were they to be added, they wouldn't need to be assumed as Beagle ancestors.
I've similarly found nothing linking Pete or Trudy to the Thénardiers.
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I just read D8082 with Scrooge's great-aunt Jeanette/Sjaan, and you probably have her on your tree, but I can't easily check that. When I search for her name(s) on the forum, all I find is that Scroogerello mentioned her on an earlier thread, the "McDuck Family Tree" thread:
Also, Scrooge MacDuck, one character you might want to add is Scrooge's aunt from this story: coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=D++8082 . She's called "Jeanette" (alias "Sjaan") in Dutch.
here there are the scans for the grandma duck's "parents"
Interesting - is it implied that she lives with them full time or the like?
Outside of looks, they somewhat resemble Priscilla and Geremia from I M 14-2. As in, the story beats are similar - maybe we could consider these two to be an aunt and uncle (One being a sibling of either Priscilla/Geremia) with Grandma going through a similar story?
I don't know how viable that is, but I can't see them being grandparents. As such, I'd recommend either having them as siblings of Clinton and Gertrude (As in, one of Clinton/Gertrude being a sibling of one of these two) or just being merged in with them, depending on which you think would fit the story better
it seems like that she lives full time and I think that they would be better as brothers of Geremia and Priscilla because the two stories are very similar