"Remark: yes, I know HDL call themselves orphans in Rosa's stories."
Back a century ago, before cell phones, any minor without parental supervision was an orphan. Some states had Orphans' Courts to handle guardianship issues. (Those courts also handle probate of estates.) If a child was in the care of grandma, and grandma died, the child's case was taken to court to assign a guardian, they didn't wait to try and locate the parents before telephones.
Even though Donald usually did try to be a good guardian, it is not a surprise that sometimes HDL considered themselves orphans. (I can remember feeling like that just at summer camp.)
Count me as someone who is glad that this most recent Geradts one-pager implies that Donald and Della live with their mother (and possibly their father). It's good that the editors will at least allow mention of their parents and the implication that D&D live with them, even if they won't allow the parents to appear.
I agree!
Good to see more people who like the idea of young Donald living with his parents rather than with Grandma Duck.
As drakeborough knows (because I recently expressed this idea on the Italian forum), I like to think that even the adult Della is alive and ofteninteracts with Donald, Scrooge and her three sons. I imagine her living out of Duckburg for some random reasons, but still being constantly in touch with her family. I don't know, calling them by wire, by Skype, or whatever you want. And I like to image HDL seeing their mother frequently (where are they when in a story Donald is home all alone? Always in the woods with the JWs? Always having holydays at Granma's farm?).
I remember you expressed this idea on the Papersera Forum last December. However, it seems too forced for my tastes: Donald is often said to be the legal guardian of HDL, and it's obvious from the stories that they permanently live with him. To say that they live with their parents and that we only see them when their are visiting Donald would be like insulting the readers' intelligence. Not that your principle is wrong in itself: for example, I think it is possible that Donald's parents may be alive and that Donald (who is a grown adult living on its own) may be in contact with them, even occasionally visiting them off-screen. That's why I disagreed with Egmont's decision to ban Hortense from A Letter from Home because, they said, she had to be dead as it was impossible to explain where she had been and why never saw her interacting with Donald. Bah.
You also asked: where are they when in a story Donald is home all alone? That's a fair question, but before that I would ask another question: where are all these stories in which Donald is home all alone? I don't think this kind of story is that common: for example, Barks created hundreds of stories with Donald as the main character, and guess how many of these are without HDL? The answer is 14: 11 of these are 1-pagers, and the other 3 are 10-pagers where we see Donald's home for few panels or we don't see it at all.
The fact that we are not given to see her interaction with the main characters within the stories does not mean that she does not exist anymore. We don't see captain Doberman anymore. We don't see Ega Beeva family. We don't see O'Hara's wife. But they must be somewhere.
I'm not sure why you picked these examples: Eega Beeva is the man of tomorrow who occasionally comes to the present to meet Mickey, so of course his family is not with him. And we do see O'Hara's wife.
Last Edit: Feb 3, 2017 19:48:49 GMT by drakeborough
A better question is: how many stories have Donald without HLD for multiple days without an explanation?
And HDL have:
School, keeping them busy AT LEAST for 6 mornings out of 7
Junior Woodchuckers activities
Grandma Duck
Uncle Scrooge
So, yeah, one can easily fit most stories without HLD seen or referenced as them being otherwise busy in a perfectly normal way
In which country do you dwell, in which children attend school 6 days each week? If we assume that The Ducks' Duckburg lies within USA, Duckstadt in The Netherlands, Entenhausen in Germany, Andeby in Denmark, and so on, the children only attend public schools for 5 days per week in those lands.
I don't think they go on adventures with Scrooge every weekend, especially in the last years, the share of Duck-adventure Stories has drastically declined!
I don't think they go on adventures with Scrooge every weekend, especially in the last years, the share of Duck-adventure Stories has drastically declined!
Not necessarily on adventures. Donald might just drop them at the money bin, and they keep themselves busy searching Scrooge's library and looking at the precious trophies and coins while Scrooge just does his businessman things.
Post by Monkey_Feyerabend on Feb 4, 2017 13:58:31 GMT
Ok, calm down. I was not using Della to explain the fact that sometimes HDL are not home. They can be anywhere, without the necessity of a "visiting mum" explanation.
I was only trying to say that the idea of Della alive and in contact with the kids is not inconsistent with the duck word. But it's an idea of mine, not something that I advocate for.
In which country do you dwell, in which children attend school 6 days each week?
Italy. For most Elementary(Primary) School kids it's Mon-Fri 8:30-16:30 or Mon-Sat 8:30-13(with, depending on the school and course, some added 14:30-16:30 days).
Also, I was under the impression Saturday Morning was a school day in some American States? Also: Calisota might well have different rules on these things(unless it's a Federal law or something).
In which country do you dwell, in which children attend school 6 days each week?
Italy. For most Elementary(Primary) School kids it's Mon-Fri 8:30-16:30 or Mon-Sat 8:30-13(with, depending on the school and course, some added 14:30-16:30 days).
Also, I was under the impression Saturday Morning was a school day in some American States? Also: Calisota might well have different rules on these things(unless it's a Federal law or something).
I am no expert on school hours in the various states in USA, but, I've never heard of Saturday school for public school students, other than possibly voluntary extra education for students who did not graduate high school and are above 18 years old who are attending special classes to work towards their high school diplomas. In US and Canada, and from hat I've seen in The Netherlands, Germany and Denmark, is that the regular school week is Monday through Friday. There may be some optional classes on Saturday, but not for most students. Also, 8:30 to 16:30 on Monday through Friday is quite a long school week. I assume that that includes after regular school hours and has "day care"/"custodial" hours added in. They have that in USA and Canada, where elementary schools end at 14:30 to 15:00, and middle school and high school end from 15:30 to 16:00, and all students stay in school until yjeir parents pick them up, but must leave by 18:00. But, after the regular end of school their are no classes. There is time for study and doing homework, and adults can help students with their homework. There is an afternoon "snack" of food given, and outdoor recreation physical exercises and sports.
As far as I remember, elementary schools in The Netherlands now go from 8:00 through 15:00. When I was young, the hours were shorter. My friend Jan, from Germany was shocked to hear that elementary school hours in Canada and USA were so long, extending from 8:00 to 14:30 or 15:00. He told me that when he attended, during the 1950s, the went from 8:00 to 13:30.
I m from Croatia, so I m a neighbour of the guy from Italy, here its two shifts, morning shift is 7AM-1PM and afternoon shift is 1PM-7PM, I think its like that in most slavic countries
Post by Monkey_Feyerabend on Feb 6, 2017 11:05:59 GMT
When I discovered that the rest of the kids of the word didn't go to school on Saturday and that they had one year less of school to reach their high school graduation (18/19 years in Italy, 17/18 years elsewhere in Western Society) I started to have serious mass murder fantasies.
When I discovered that the rest of the kids of the word didn't go to school on Saturday and that they had one year less of school to reach their high school graduation (18/19 years in Italy, 17/18 years elsewhere in Western Society) I started to have serious mass murder fantasies.
A few years ago, the German government took one year out on the way to high school graduation. Before that, we had 18/19 years in Germany too. I am not very glad that they took one year out, because I think, students were better on the university, than people are now. I think you can't go to university with 18 years, it's too young. 50 % of the germans, who went of school with 18 (so, after the reform) are failing on university! You can be glad, that you lived in a state, where school goes on longer! (My opinion)