I think you are referring to the 1970 series "Storia e gloria della dinastia dei paperi", which has Scrooge born in in Klondike in 1897, with Scrooge's father (rather than Scrooge himself) participating in the Klondike Gold Rush. But this in not the norm in Italian stories: for many decades, Scrooge's Scottish past and his days as a Klondike prospector have both been an integral part of his character as portrayed by Italian authors. "Storia e glora" is just the exception that proves the rule.
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Universe 1: Barks' stories. Scrooge born in 1867 and beacame rich in 1897. Universe 2: Italian stories. Scrooge born in 1897 and find a gold mine in 1909. Universe 3: The modern stories took place here.
For "Universe 2" scrooge was only 12 years old when he found a gold mine? Did he spend a few years skipping school and digging out all the gold? Did he leave home in Scotland at 12 years old, to go looking for gold?
Universe 1: Barks' stories. Scrooge born in 1867 and beacame rich in 1897. Universe 2: Italian stories. Scrooge born in 1897 and find a gold mine in 1909. Universe 3: The modern stories took place here.
Universe 2 doesn't exist. Just because you read an italian story where this happened, doesn't mean that it's considered as canon in Italy.
If you say HDL were born in 1940, then 1924 would be a late date for Donald's birth: his twin sister Della would have become a teen mother at the age 16, which is definitely not what Don had in mind while writing "Life and Times" (his timeline has Donald and Della born around 1920 and HDL born around 1940). Sure, Donald looks young in the 11th episode, but that's because we don't see him speak (unlike "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink", set a few years earlier, in which he does speak). There's a line in some version of the 12th episode where Donald tells HDL that 17 years earlier "I was younger than you are", but Don confirmed this was a mistake he made in the script, though I'm not sure if it was corrected in reprints.
It doesn't matter whether he talks or not. Donald in the ''Sign of triple distelfink'' also looks younger than Heuey, Louei, Dewey. I hadn't thought about the logical conclusion of Della becoming a teen mother, but why not? Maybe that also explains why she abandoned the nephews.
It doesn't matter whether he talks or not. Donald in the ''Sign of triple distelfink'' also looks younger than Heuey, Louei, Dewey.
Maybe, but keep in mind that the flashback of "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink" with young Donald takes place before the ending of "Life and Times" part 11.
I hadn't thought about the logical conclusion of Della becoming a teen mother, but why not? Maybe that also explains why she abandoned the nephews.
If you want to believe Della is a teen mother, you are of course free to do so. However, you can't use Don Rosa's stories to prove this idea, since obviously Don's timeline does not imply at all she is a teen mother. Personally I prefer to think she is not, as I dislike the idea of the real Della becoming similar to this parody version of her.
I hadn't thought about the logical conclusion of Della becoming a teen mother, but why not? Maybe that also explains why she abandoned the nephews.
If you want to believe Della is a teen mother, you are of course free to do so. However, you can't use Don Rosa's stories to prove this idea, since obviously Don's timeline does not imply at all she is a teen mother. Personally I prefer to think she is not, as I dislike the idea of the real Della becoming similar to this parody version of her.
I kind of agree, though I think Disney Ducks simply mature slightly faster than Ducks (Donald lived on his own in 1934's Wise Little Hen even though he was, according to Don Rosa, born in or around 1920; Scrooge became a steamboat captain at age 15 in Life & Times; etc.).
If you want to believe Della is a teen mother, you are of course free to do so. However, you can't use Don Rosa's stories to prove this idea, since obviously Don's timeline does not imply at all she is a teen mother. Personally I prefer to think she is not, as I dislike the idea of the real Della becoming similar to this parody version of her.
I kind of agree, though I think Disney Ducks simply mature slightly faster than Ducks (Donald lived on his own in 1934's Wise Little Hen even though he was, according to Don Rosa, born in or around 1920; Scrooge became a steamboat captain at age 15 in Life & Times; etc.).
I don't now how fast real-life ducks mature, but I consider Disney Ducks to be human beings, drawn as ducks as part of a caricature, so I view them as maturing as fast as human beings. "Life and Times" is one of the many stories that prove this point, and Scrooge becoming a captain at the age of 15 (after being tutored from uncle Pothole for two years) is not a couterexample of this: it is not rare to see people working even though they are youger than the age of majority, and this was even more common in the 19th century.
Using "The Wise Little Hen" to prove the opposite point is in my opinion not a very good idea, since this would require two assumptions that are far from obvious: that this early appearance is "canonical" (that is, it fits with the character as established in 80+ years of stories) and that the short takes place in the same year it was released. In my opinion, Donald and Della lived with their parents until they reached the age of majority, then they moved out.
I haven't read that fanfiction, maybe I will. So far, the only fanfiction I (partially) read was a biography of Donald made by an Italian fan, and I remember it also featured Della (there was also an in-universe explanation not only for the nickname Dumbella, but also for her calling herself "cousin" in HDL's first appearance).
I haven't read that fanfiction, maybe I will. So far, the only fanfiction I (partially) read was a biography of Donald made by an Italian fan, and I remember it also featured Della (there was also an in-universe explanation not only for the nickname Dumbella, but also for her calling herself "cousin" in HDL's first appearance).
My curiosity is piqued. May you link to this fanfiction you speak of? (Unless it was written in Italian, in which case I'd be grateful if you could summarize it and explain that in-universe explanation for the cousin part).
As for the one I linked to: it is supposed to take place in Don Rosa's continuity and tells the story of Della's life. It integrates Don Rosa's deleted "clue" meant for Return to Xanadu.
Using "The Wise Little Hen" to prove the opposite point is in my opinion not a very good idea, since this would require two assumptions that are far from obvious: that this early appearance is "canonical" (that is, it fits with the character as established in 80+ years of stories) and that the short takes place in the same year it was released. In my opinion, Donald and Della lived with their parents until they reached the age of majority, then they moved out.
I see. This boils down to the difference between your headcanon, and mine where I try to make all Disney comics (and comics-related, such as the cartoons) fit nicely together.
Wait a minute. In the beginning of this fic, something is mentioned about pages that were cut from ''Return to Xanadu''. Never heard of it. What was there in those pages?
Wait a minute. In the beginning of this fic, something is mentioned about pages that were cut from ''Return to Xanadu''. Never heard of it. What was there in those pages?
It depicted the High Llama Tsamodjah-Phee (the very, very, very old guy who also appears in the final story) beginning to tell Huey, Dewey and Louie that "Tralla La includes many secrets… including one about [their] parents". However, the flood forces them to leave the valley before the Llama can say any more. Nonetheless, the Llama is smiling as they leave, certain that "they will come back… one day".
My curiosity is piqued. May you link to this fanfiction you speak of? (Unless it was written in Italian, in which case I'd be grateful if you could summarize it and explain that in-universe explanation for the cousin part).
It's been many years since I read that fanfiction (or part of it), and it would be very hard to find the link (I'm not even sure it's still available online). It was in Italian, and the author is Michele Miglionico, who is also one of the many co-authors of Don Rosa - ALittle Something Special (2011), a book created by the Papersera Forum.
The in-universe explanation for the cousin part was nothing special or groundbreaking: I think calling her cousin rather than sister was just part of Donald teasing her, similarly to him calling her Dumbella. Or maybe he called her Dumbella and she retaliated by calling him cousin, I can't remember.
As for the one I linked to: it is supposed to take place in Don Rosa's continuity and tells the story of Della's life. It integrates Don Rosa's deleted "clue" meant for Return to Xanadu.
Using "The Wise Little Hen" to prove the opposite point is in my opinion not a very good idea, since this would require two assumptions that are far from obvious: that this early appearance is "canonical" (that is, it fits with the character as established in 80+ years of stories) and that the short takes place in the same year it was released. In my opinion, Donald and Della lived with their parents until they reached the age of majority, then they moved out.
I see. This boils down to the difference between your headcanon, and mine where I try to make all Disney comics (and comics-related, such as the cartoons) fit nicely together.
Well, this is not a surprise since we already know the differences in our headcanons from our past discussions. But I think it's interesting to notice that, with few exceptions, most stories dealing with Donald's past avoid any mention of The Wise Little Hen: it's as if the authors feel that this rudimental version of Donald, who was not meant to be used again after this short, does not fit well with the established character of Donald as defined by 80+ years of stories.
Even if I had to include The Wise Little Hen in my headcanon, I would not have it take place in the year it was released (1934), let alone using this short as a "proof" that Donald lived on his own at the age of (about) 14. I would place this short a few years later: as I said, I think Donald and Della lived with their parents at least until they reached the age of majority. But to each his own.
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Wait a minute. In the beginning of this fic, something is mentioned about pages that were cut from ''Return to Xanadu''. Never heard of it. What was there in those pages?
I'll copy and paste here this post from 2013 from Don Rosa's facebook page (the webmaster is Jano Rohleder):
Okay, folks, time for another LOOONG answer from Don to one of your questions... or, actually, to a question SEVERAL of you posted. Here goes. -- Jano
Angel Gonzalez: I read somewhere that Don wanted to do a story about Della Duck but was prevented to do so by Disney because it would have been kinda "dark" (at least, too dark for a so-called "children comic"). But I wonder... What would it have been like ? What happens to Della Duck after she sends the nephew to Donald, according to Don ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Kounelis: What was Don's plan regarding Huey, Louie and Dewey's father? Was he supposed to be dead, hiding or trapped somewhere? Assuming he is alive, was Della searching for him around the globe which would explain why she left the kids with Donald? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Θάνος Γανωτής: Hey Don, I understand why you don't make new stories anymore... But I just wanted to remind you your promise, you promised to make a story revealing Donald's nephews father. Can you make that one last story please? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mikkel Hagen: Hi Don, I wonder if you maybe cud tell us a little more about the idea about the parents of Huey, Dewey and Louie maybe was hidden in the Tralla La valley? I have read a sketch from back to xanadu that showed the high lama talking to the boys about a mysterious secret As they will know when they become older. regards a fan from Norway ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nikos Zarkadas: Wanted to thank Don .Read his stories from 8 years old.Give him love from Greece.As othes have questioned before What happens to Della Duck after she sends the nephew to Donald, according to Don ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Don: Okay... I've answered this question in many, many interviews... and even in my texts in the HALL OF FAME and DON ROSA COLLECTION book series. But there are obviously people who don't have a chance to see those explanations, so I'm happy to answer the above questions again.
First, I'm puzzled by the rumors mentioned by the first questioner above. Where do people get these ideas? Disney never forbade nor allowed me to do anything -- I've never worked for Disney. Disney has nothing whatsoever to do with the creation of comic books based on Disney characters. These 60-70 years of comic masterpieces were created by freelance writers and artists, like me or Carl Barks, working for independent licensed publishers. I worked for Gladstone and then Egmont, and those editors would be who would tell me (and others) of which ideas they approved or disapproved. Total rejection only happened two or three times (but I always did the story later for some other editor.)
But I never proposed a story to Egmont about Della Duck, so not even they "disallowed" me from creating such a story.
I disallowed myself. And here's why...
For the entire 20+ years I was creating Barks Duck stories, fans would always beg me to tackle the question of what happened to the parents of Huey, Dewey & Louie (hereafter "HD&L"). And I thought long and hard about how to go about it. What would the possible plot resolutions be? I could think of four.
1) HD&L go on an epic search for their lost parents. They never find a trace. There's no point to the story! Nix. 2) HD&L go in search of their parents, and discover they are dead. Depressing and pointless. Nix. 3) HD&L go in search of their parents, and find them! Alive and well! So... they go to live with their parents rather than staying with Unca Donald? I can't do that! That would threaten to rend the very fabric of the universe! Nix! 4) HD&L go in search of their parents, and find them! But... they stay living with Unca Donald? Rather than with their own parents? I can't do that! That would be depressing and probably result in all manner of litigation and paternity suits and I don't know what. Nix.
Is there a #5? I had one in mind as far back as 1990 when I first went to work for Egmont and learned that (unlike America) Europe was an entire continent of Barks Duck lovers who wanted someone, anyone to tell this tale. I even put a scene into the storyboard-script for one of my first Egmont stories that would hint at this 5th possibility. But I did not include it in the finished version of the story because it would still have been very problematic as to how to deal with such the plot or its final outcome.
It feels very "wrong" for me to discuss this with a detailed explanation. I prefer to simply let people see the storyboard-script of the deleted scene and let them decide for themselves. Besides, I never thought it out beyond that scene. It appeared in the HALL OF FAME and in an even more complete version was in the DON ROSA COLLECTION. Mikkel (above) has apparently seen it. Maybe Jano can copy it over and show it here? And that's all I will say about it.
4) HD&L go in search of their parents, and find them! But... they stay living with Unca Donald? Rather than with their own parents? I can't do that! That would be depressing and probably result in all manner of litigation and paternity suits and I don't know what. Nix.
I don't get why that couldn't work. The nephews enjoy an emotional reunion with their parents, but, in the end, they realize the bond they have developped to their uncle over the years is too strong to be ignored. The parents understand and allow the nephews to permanently stay with Donald. It doesn't have to be done in a sad way. The story could end with the parents moving to Duckburg, so they can keep in touch with their kids. This way, the canonicity isn't ruined, plus two characters are added to the Duckburg universe (Della and her guy), which other creators can use in their stories or opt to ignore.
It just can't be done: if the parents are alive and phisically/mentally fit, then they have to raise their sons. They can't avoid doing that. It's just nature: parents must take care of their sons if they can, it's their duty. A story in which they return but decide to give up their parental duties just because their sons have a strong bond with Uncle Donald would be a bad idea, that's why Don never wrote such a story. And that's why the author of the Dutch anniversary story from 2014 decided to make Della an astronaut lost in space: it may have been a good idea or a bad idea, but it just wasn't feasible to have Della and/or her husband being on Earth, capable and willing to take care of their sons but refusing to do that.
Last Edit: Jan 25, 2017 16:22:44 GMT by drakeborough