I hadn't remembered the link you make between Hortense's death and Scrooge's decision to reconnect.
I can't take credit for the idea ... looking back at the "Surviving Duck Family Members" thread, where the bulk of this discussion occurred, it was Scrooge MacDuck who proposed that theory (and also pointed out that Quackmore likely predeceased Hortense, given Donald speaking about the" boys' grandmother" as if she were a widow).
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Jun 13, 2019 12:46:40 GMT
I just realized something ... Louie, the most unscrupulous, avaricious, unethical and disloyal nephew, the resourceful trickster, the one who wouldn't hesitate to throw his friends and relatives under the bus to further his own selfish interests, is the nephew whose hairstyle most resembles the one sported by "our favorite president". I'd love to think that wasn't an accident.
I've rewatched it and somehow, the show really went of the track in season 2. It doesn't seem to take the source material serious and somehow tries to parody it.
The only good things are Webby (I have a crush on her), the nephews having different outfits and personalities, the mansion (I'd never liked how Italian comics portray Scrooge living in the Bin) and Duckburg's cityscape.
If thou'dst ask me, I'd stick closer to the source material, e.g. have the show set in a fantasy world akin to the 1940s-60s and use many long complex multi-episode story arcs.
I've rewatched it and somehow, the show really went of the track in season 2. It doesn't seem to take the source material serious and somehow tries to parody it.
The only good things are Webby (I have a crush on her), the nephews having different outfits and personalities, the mansion (I'd never liked how Italian comics portray Scrooge living in the Bin) and Duckburg's cityscape.
If thou'dst ask me, I'd stick closer to the source material, e.g. have the show set in a fantasy world akin to the 1940s-60s and use many long complex multi-episode story arcs.
Personally, I like the 1987 series better (at least the initial 65 episodes and the movie). The new series is fun, but I think that it just takes too many unneeded liberties with the source material. I mostly enjoy watching them, though. The animation is very good, and they have had some fun episodes.
Honestly if you take off the "But it was diffrent in the comics!!!" glasses the series is quite good, and as I mentioned before - maybe it's years of watching all the diffrent reincarnation (in movies and tv shows) of Batman, Spider-man and other super hero franchises where they often just leave some basic trades and completly remake the characters but I'm more Ok with most of the changes even if I had to question them at first.
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Having the show to take place in a setting resembling the 40s-60s wouldn't work for many reasons (the Darkwing Duck arc, the Della arc, Gizmoduck, etc), unless these things were rewritten, but honestly, they would either lose their fun or get needlessly complicated or just confusing in general?
Honestly, when this show takes liberties on comic related stuff it's kind of a hit or miss for me. I like stuff such as Scrooge still having his birth date and most of his backstory from the comics, but at the same time I HATE what they did to Goldie by completely changing her backstory and just making her some adventure sidekick Scrooge had that WAKed him over instead of the more complex storyline the comics had.
It doesn't seem to take the source material serious and somehow tries to parody it.
The loving satire/affectionate parody aspect of the show has been there since the beginning (along the lines of, for example, Be Cool Scooby-Doo!), but they have indeed become more brazen about it of late. I consider DuckTales '17 very elaborate fan-fiction (albeit with a much-bigger-than-usual budget), which has very little resemblance to my comics-based headcanon but can be enjoyed as its own thing.
Having the show to take place in a setting resembling the 40s-60s wouldn't work for many reasons (the Darkwing Duck arc, the Della arc, Gizmoduck, etc), unless these things were rewritten, but honestly, they would either lose their fun or get needlessly complicated or just confusing in general?
Not really seeing it. Darkwing Duck is a pretty old-school superhero; he's certainly no more "high-tech" than Batman, who existed as early as the 1940's; indeed, the in-universe Darkwing Duck TV series of the actual DT17 is modeled as much on the 1960's Adam West Batman TV series as it is on the real-life 90's cartoon.
As for the Della plot, as early as the actual 1940's and 1950's, Carl Barks himself had Donald fly to the Moon in a rocket nearly identical to the Spear of Selene. (And that's without even getting into arguably-elseworld stuff like 24 Carat Moon or Island in the Sky.) Why couldn't DT17 ? It's not even much of a stretch, allowing for Gyro's genius and Scrooge's resources both being enormous, that a working lunar rocket could have been built in the 1950's. (Granted, it probably wouldn't have been a female astronaut crewing it, but A), there's no imperative for our fantasy version of the 50's to be as sexist as the real-life one, and B) the rocket was a family project that Scrooge engineered for Della, so as long as you accept that Scrooge was more feminist than the average 1950's businessman, social conventions are irrleevant.)
Really, the only major DT17 element which flat-out couldn't work in a whimsical 1950's-1960's neverwhen is Mark Beaks. And would he really be that great a loss?
Having the show to take place in a setting resembling the 40s-60s wouldn't work for many reasons (the Darkwing Duck arc, the Della arc, Gizmoduck, etc), unless these things were rewritten, but honestly, they would either lose their fun or get needlessly complicated or just confusing in general?
Superheroes and robot suits didn't exist in the real world's 90s as much as 50s. Space rockets did, though.
It doesn't seem to take the source material serious and somehow tries to parody it.
The loving satire/affectionate parody aspect of the show has been there since the beginning (along the lines of, for example, Be Cool Scooby-Doo!), but they have indeed become more brazen about it of late. I consider DuckTales '17 very elaborate fan-fiction (albeit with a much-bigger-than-usual budget), which has very little resemblance to my comics-based headcanon but can be enjoyed as its own thing.
I know, and it was funny to have such references here and there, like Scrooge referring to St. Canard and Spoonerville in the pilot, or Castle Dunvin being shown. Yet, now in late season 2, the show doesn't make such cameos and nods "here and there", but it seems to life of them. And that is also bad for younger and casual viewers who won't understand many of those jokes.
Having the show to take place in a setting resembling the 40s-60s wouldn't work for many reasons (the Darkwing Duck arc, the Della arc, Gizmoduck, etc), unless these things were rewritten, but honestly, they would either lose their fun or get needlessly complicated or just confusing in general?
Not really seeing it. Darkwing Duck is a pretty old-school superhero; he's certainly no more "high-tech" than Batman, who existed as early as the 1940's; indeed, the in-universe Darkwing Duck TV series of the actual DT17 is modeled as much on the 1960's Adam West Batman TV series as it is on the real-life 90's cartoon.
As for the Della plot, as early as the actual 1940's and 1950's, Carl Barks himself had Donald fly to the Moon in a rocket nearly identical to the Spear of Selene. (And that's without even getting into arguably-elseworld stuff like 24 Carat Moon or Island in the Sky.) Why couldn't DT17 ? It's not even much of a stretch, allowing for Gyro's genius and Scrooge's resources both being enormous, that a working lunar rocket could have been built in the 1950's. (Granted, it probably wouldn't have been a female astronaut crewing it, but A), there's no imperative for our fantasy version of the 50's to be as sexist as the real-life one, and B) the rocket was a family project that Scrooge engineered for Della, so as long as you accept that Scrooge was more feminist than the average 1950's businessman, social conventions are irrleevant.)
Really, the only major DT17 element which flat-out couldn't work in a whimsical 1950's-1960's neverwhen is Mark Beaks. And would he really be that great a loss?
Scrooge isn't sexist, he wasn't in Carl Barks' comicbooks from the real 1950s either. Just because the 50s where very conservative, that doesn't mean every male person back then was sexist. Today, not everybody is Twitter woke either. And like thee saidst, I think of the Disney Duck universe as an idealized fantasy world (the opposite of what Rosa did). Also, I don't like Mark Beaks, I'd prefer to use Rockerduck as Scrooge's more "modern" counterpart. Mark Beaks is annoying as a character and he and all episodes with him are going to look very dated in the future, unlike the timeless comicbooks, where Rockerduck looks just like a generic businessmallard.
To me, the Duckburg is a fantasy universe that resembles our Earth's Western world (except if the characters travel offshore) in the middle of the 20th century.
Having the show to take place in a setting resembling the 40s-60s wouldn't work for many reasons (the Darkwing Duck arc, the Della arc, Gizmoduck, etc), unless these things were rewritten, but honestly, they would either lose their fun or get needlessly complicated or just confusing in general?
Not really seeing it. Darkwing Duck is a pretty old-school superhero; he's certainly no more "high-tech" than Batman, who existed as early as the 1940's; indeed, the in-universe Darkwing Duck TV series of the actual DT17 is modeled as much on the 1960's Adam West Batman TV series as it is on the real-life 90's cartoon.
I think the reason why they wouldn't make the show in an 40s-60s-like scenario is because the creators feel they need to appeal to modern kids, who are the main audience of Disney Channel. Sure, many different people watch the show, including comics fans who would appreciate a timeless scenario resembling the classic Barksian period. But then again, they aren't the main focus of the show. Most of the Disney Channel audience is of kids, who are accostumed with smartphones, tablets, GPS on Donald's car, streaming services and stuff. The creators include these elements that the kids find relatable to their everyday. That's why Louie is always seen distracted by his cell phone, Dewey is called out on recording moments of his travel to Brazil with his cell camera rather than experiencing them, and so on. To their credit, they still appeal to some old-school elements, but it's clear that they want to make the show as palatable as possible to a young, modern audience.
Honestly if you take off the "But it was diffrent in the comics!!!" glasses the series is quite good....
Pan, you're a funny guy, but I am getting a little tired of this line--not just from you, but from everyone defending the show. One of the reasons that Ducktales 2017 is a steaming pile of garbage is the fact that it willful cuts, changes, and ignores far superior source material, but the show has innumerable other problems that prevent it from working, even on its own terms. The animation is too angular, abstract, and in-your-face edgy to allow any real connection with the characters (to quote Charles Schulz, if you use a style that is too extreme you can never do anything that is at all sensitive), and the writing is so self-aware and so committed to an above-it-all, genre-savvy, self-aware tone that its attempts to conjure up any sense of true drama or adventure fall flat. The characters are also all such over-the-top caricatures that it's impossible to get emotionally invested in them, even though the showrunners obviously expect us to care about them on some level. Della, Dewey, Scrooge, and Webby are deranged adrenaline junkies, Louie is a repulsive slimeball, the writers still have no clue what to do with Donald (as evidenced by their recently shipping him off to the moon), Launchpad is an idiot, Huey is an annoying and mean-spirited version of every couch potato's idea of a boy scout, and Glomgold is an unfunny walking joke. I'm not someone whom critiques adaptations just because of departures from the source material; I liked Original Ducktales a lot, even though it departed from the comics in many ways. I do critique films and TV shows that are fundamentally flawed in concept and/or execution, however, and that's what Ducktales 2017 is. It wants to be a sprawling, epic comedy/adventure/fantasy/family drama, but it comes off as a cynical, shallow, and obnoxiously self-satisfied series that isn't one-gazillionth as smart as it thinks it is.