That's true. Whenever Webby wasn't the focus and a suporting character she was pretty much reduce to saying "cute stuff" and that made her annyoing as her personality was mostly "I like dollies and tea parties!". Of course most of her focus episode had the plot "I will cry cose boys don't want to play with me for being a GIRL but at the end I will somehow save the day and I they will want to play with me" (how feministic) but much like Bubba, for most of the part I didn't mind her as she was at least a likeable character. Depsite this I do like however that the current Webby still have a lot of oryginal girlyness, it's just only comes-out in contrast to more tomboyish characters like Lena. I think it's such a esencial trade of the oryginal it would be 100% new character if they would ignored that aspect.
Since "Timephoon" is goin to time travel all over the place, I would like if they use this excuse to re-use Rockerduck but I don't think that will happened.
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Interesting plot, many good jokes and good character development on Della. There was so real emotion to the ending. I also like her relationship with Beakley.
The best part however is that they manage to make Bubba cool. It's Dee Bradley Baker doing the voice (he also was Benjamin Frankloon) but he was pretty much identicial as Walkers preformance. And the twist at the end was very clever. I like that they adressed Bubba song.
I like Huey's role in the episode. I like the idea that at first he is resistant to the idea Bubba contradicts all he know about caveman but then he learns to appriciate it.
The line that Bubba was maybe frozen in ice appear to be refrence to Ducktales video game where that was the case for how Scrooge foudn Bubba.
Overall - a great episodes!
P.S. 1 As Tootsie appears in the mansion Huey states Dinosaurs and Cavemen didn't share the same time pirot but then sees Bubba riding Tootsie and corrects the fact in the guidbook. If I would had to guess, I would say this joke was to make it ambigous whatever Dinosaurs and Caveman co-exist in the Duck universe.
EDIT : And after second viewing I realise that cave drawing that Bubba made (BEFORE TOOTSIE APPEARS) includes a Triceratops. Never mind.
P.S. 2. A Cowgirl appears who look a lot of Jessie from "Toy Story" series... Or maybe it was just a standard look and I'm ignorant at the subject matter.
On one hand the plot was a mess. Glomgold's story felt more like excuse to have all the villains interact, while Louies plot was... Meh. I actualy would think this would work better with Donald then Della but what you going to do.
At the same time... yhe, it was mostly fun to see all the badies play of each other and there where some great jokes. The Beagle Boys in particular where funny and effective in this episode.
"Beagles aren't for sale" was ironic in concext of oryginal DuckTales where Beagles where hire by Glomgold as his goons all the time.
The family photo thing was interesting... I would point out that Gyro did so far very little on the show to count him as part of the family but whatever.
I did enjoy Beaks freaking out and being scared all the time.
Don Carnage didn't do much but it was nice to see him agian.
All the Magica stuff was hilarious. Her using mostly poof-boms is very close to Barks... and I like the joke that despite all of this she was still shown as threatening foe. My favorite joke in the episode was the fact every one thinks she was behind the plot not Glomgold and all of the villains conisder her Scrooge number #1 foe.
(On interesting note Magica skin was white, while in the teaser it was green. Maybe they asume the fact she dosen't have her powers back was to much of a spoiler... )
...Ok, Louie pretending to be Huey was clever and funny.
Glomgold's intro... I don't know. It work as a funny you-tube thing but here it felt tad out-of place especialy since the episode wasn't that Glomgold centric as one would expect - Louie was still the center.
But there is the ending...
*sight*
On one hand it is a nice *twist* - I haven't it comming and I think it's an interesting setup for the season finally and I honestly wonder where it's all going...
On other
1) I honeslty don't understand what Louie actually did. I'm tad confused by what happened.
2) Meh, I was actually hoping they will use this episode/season finally to finaly make Glomgold a bigger menace/challange. Now he is more pathethic then ever... Meh.
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Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Sept 10, 2019 16:56:15 GMT
Magica as a children's party magician was funny and something I could see happening in the comics. And her constant use of foof-bombs was a nice Barksian touch. This might sound kind of sacrilegious, but I'm starting to like the tall, svelte, more humanoid design of Magica-17, and the British accent, although it makes no sense given the character's backstory, seems to fit her well.
I agree that Louie's behavior here was confusing. I'm not sure what exactly he contributed to Glomgold's gang either, and why did Glomgold sign an agreement with him? And why did the other villains sign over their assets to Glomgold and Louie?
And I agree that in both this episode and the previous one, it seems the writers don't know what exactly to do with Della now that she's back. Her sons are pre-teens and Donald is the only parent they've ever known. So now she just comes in and takes over, and starts imposing her rules and beliefs? And the kids are okay with it? There's potential for conflict and emotional development here, but by writing Donald out of these episodes, it's sort of lost. That's probably why they made that decision in the first place, but I think it was an unfortunate one.
Just goes to show how effective the show has been in carving out HD&L as separate characters ...when Louie impersonated Huey, I initially asked myself how he could make himself look like him, until I remembered they're still supposed to be physically identical.
Are the episodes being aired out of order? It seems the Doofus Birthday Episode, the Nightmare Episode, "Timephoon!" and "GlomTales" should all have come before "Whatever Happened to Donald Duck?!". At the end of that episode we see Donald crash back to Earth, but then he's not mentioned or seen again.
At least "GomTales" shoudn't be before "Whatever Happened to Donald Duck?!" do to it's ending.
I can't help to think it would be better if it was actual Glomgold idea for all the villains to cheap in (not Louie's) and Louie would somehow outsmarted him at the end. Here it looks like a bit like he actualy set-up to take over McDuck Inc.
Also if Glomgols signature means nothing... Dosen't that make EVERY SINGLE DEAL GLOMGOLD SIGN invalid? Honestly Louie would have to just point this out to make his entire empire crumble...
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And I agree that in both this episode and the previous one, it seems the writers don't know what exactly to do with Della now that she's back. Her sons are pre-teens and Donald is the only parent they've ever known. So now she just comes in and takes over, and starts imposing her rules and beliefs? And the kids are okay with it?
I think that's part of Louie's conflict with Della. Had Donald been the one to ground him, he probably wouldn't have been as upset as he was, seeing how he's used to having Donald as a parent, but not Della. There's also the fact that this is the first time she has to impose he authority as a mother. The last times she interacted with her sons were always in a conflict-less context, she'd never had to discipline on of them before. So until then, she was like this cool older relative you can always have a good time with; in fact, this is probably why the triplets thought of his other uncles as cooler than Donald, not just because of their status, but because being with them was more fun time and less discipline.
Are the episodes being aired out of order? It seems the Doofus Birthday Episode, the Nightmare Episode, "Timephoon!" and "GlomTales" should all have come before "Whatever Happened to Donald Duck?!". At the end of that episode we see Donald crash back to Earth, but then he's not mentioned or seen again.
That's my impression. I mean, how long has Donald been falling for since we last saw him in the sky? If he's been there all this time, how come NASA didn't see his capsule, or anyone, and what did he go through during the storm in Timephoon? The episodes aired out of order seem more plausible.
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Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Sept 11, 2019 2:02:05 GMT
Okay, so, one mystery solved ...
15sok asked: Was Bubba the stupid thing you mention If so, I thought it was great
Angones replied:
Bubba as the first of the line of Clan McDuck, yes. I demand all Duck Family Trees be amended!!!
I agree with 15sok, I doubt anyone was upset about this kind of clever twist. Quite a letdown. Obviously Angones doesn't understand us at all.
(Oh, and also on his Tumblr, when someone posted examples of Bob Foster's inspiredly snarky responses to readers' letters from Disney Comics Inc.'s DuckTales title [ones we've discussed on this forum before], Angones, not bothering to name Foster, called him "the Frank Angones of the early nineties". I wouldn't say that, exactly.)
Yhe, that twist was great. It's add more meaning to Bubba's character (and makes his cconection to the duck family stronger by making him a blood-related part of the familiy) but It's one of those idea I wish oryginal show had... True, It would be hard for him to live in present day and also be an ancestor of someone, but they could always pull similiar twist with Bubba having a brother.
EDIT : Actualy I just realise one miss-opertunity was to have Bubba call Scrooge "Scooge" as he did in the oryginal show. Oh, well.
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{Spoiler} No, it's our Bombi friend. Being a dog is obvious in this since there is zero human characters in Duck Tales 2017 universe. They made him more green to make him more ghoulish/zombie looking I guess but I like the design.
In this version the curse is he have to hunt down "the richest man in the world" (no matter who has the title).
The reason why Scrooge got the curse in the Barks story wouldn't fly very well as one can imagine so this was nice way to get over the problematic aspects...
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Ok so about the episode itself... "The richest duck in the world" that is.
(SPOILERS)
I think it was interesting that they tried to adapt "Voodo Hoodoo"... well, ok, just use few elements but still. I always said "Voodo Hoodoo" is one Barks story that is a shame they did never use in the oryginal "Duck Tales" but the question always remain how they would got over Scrooge screwing-over the native... Here I think it's a good update as it was just a cruse that effects whoever has the title of the richest person in the world. I wish they would spent a bit more time on how the curse oryginated and maybe have a another flash-back to make it more visual but maybe they wanted keep the link to actual voodoo as minimum as possible (to avoid stereotypical connection and such)
I like the design on Bombie, a lot. I think they also used some elements of the stone minotaur from the old "Duck tales" episode "Riders of the lost harp", who was also a monster who went directly after one person. While he is much more agressive they also gave him a human side and touched on the sad-part of... em... being a Zombie.
I was suprised how little time they spent on actualy showing Louie as billionare before they got the Bombie plot but maybe it's all for the better.
I enjoy part on the island - a lot of good spooky atmoshpere. It remind me when I was reading "Call of Cthulu" for the first time few years ago. The island had a similar vibe.
I like how Scrooge simply asume Louie won't handel handeling his fortune and was just chill... Him trying to earn his fortune again was funny (the webb-foot joke was brillaint) even if I wish they would focus on his attemps more.
The ending was touching and there is nice symbolism to it.
An Ok episode but I wish they didn't had all the Della stuff (which I didn't care for here plus it had the ever-so-hated-by-me "Dewie tonight" thing) and focus more on developing the mian story-line. As it is, it had some good scene but it felt to short on the plot.
P.S. All my theories of Owlson being sinister wen off the window for good... The old episode still make you think she was up to something, but maybe that was a redherring.
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Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Sept 11, 2019 21:40:36 GMT
Making Bombie target Scrooge (and then Louie) simply because he's the richest person in the world robs the character of a large degree of his pathos. His pursuit of Scrooge is a punishment for an egregious act of avarice and immorality, not a mere occupational hazard. I see your point that it would been hard to adapt Voodoo Hoodoo into the 17-verse, but I feel the approach they took with Bombie (unlike the ones they took with Fethry, Jones and Bubba) cheapened the character, even within the confines of this show. But I suppose we need to appreciate the fact that they at least tried to adapt this unlikeliest of Barks characters into the show ... better than another pointless Disney Afternoon cameo that has nothing to do with the Duckverse.
I like how they allowed Scrooge and Mr. Zee to interchangeably use "richest duck in the world" and "richest man in the world" as if there were no difference. There shouldn't be, per the filter theory and if these are all MEAS 4b1 characters (as they are).
I honestly thought Owlson would end up being a Machiavellian schemer who ends up conning Louie of all his money and becomes the richest person on the world herself. Since she's only what she ever appeared to be, a hyper-competent businesswoman who plays straightwoman to Glomgold and Louie, I'm not sure exactly what she adds to the universe. Another missed opportunity, I feel. I did chuckle at her line about Duckburg billionaires being reckless thrill-seekers, megalomaniacs with the minds of children ... and actual children.
And I agree that in both this episode and the previous one, it seems the writers don't know what exactly to do with Della now that she's back. Her sons are pre-teens and Donald is the only parent they've ever known. So now she just comes in and takes over, and starts imposing her rules and beliefs? And the kids are okay with it?
I think that's part of Louie's conflict with Della. Had Donald been the one to ground him, he probably wouldn't have been as upset as he was, seeing how he's used to having Donald as a parent, but not Della.
On the issue of Donald's parental authority.... the episode seems to imply that on every occasion in the past, Louie has been able to get reinstated into the family's good graces simply by apologizing, and has avoided any serious consequences. So does that mean Donald has never imposed any consequences for such behavior?
Barks' Donald would chase the kids with a switch, of course, though generally he did not catch up with them. More recent comics usually avoid the suggestion of corporal punishment. Do they ever show Donald imposing any other consequences on the kids? Also, the boys' misbehavior in the comics has not been on a "change the timeline and make everyone you love disappear because you'll risk anything for money" level. Are we supposed to think that DT17 Donald has never grounded Louie, when he's acted as if he cares more about money than family?