I doubt that they said that, since they're not sticking to Rosa when it comes to Scrooge's past at all. In the reboot, Scrooge, Donald and Della went on numerous adventures together 10 years before the show took place, Scrooge climbed Mt. neverrest when he earned his first million and (in an upcoming episode) has flashbacks to Scrooge's younger days in the 1960s.
That's Scrooge's own, relatively recent history. Not "family history" in the sense of sticking to things like Malcolm McDuck or Black Donald MacDuck.
I doubt that they said that, since they're not sticking to Rosa when it comes to Scrooge's past at all. In the reboot, Scrooge, Donald and Della went on numerous adventures together 10 years before the show took place, Scrooge climbed Mt. neverrest when he earned his first million and (in an upcoming episode) has flashbacks to Scrooge's younger days in the 1960s.
That's Scrooge's own, relatively recent history. Not "family history" in the sense of sticking to things like Malcolm McDuck or Black Donald MacDuck.
I wasn't talking about "family history". Pan Maciej made the point that the creators of the show said they would stick to Scrooge's biography per Rosa, and I said I doubt that since they aren't sticking to that at all. Also, the fact that they included those Easter Eggs (like "Black Donald") does not mean that Scrooge's family history from Rosa's stories also happened in the new series. They're lifting a character or a concept from it here and there, but other than that they're using them to make their own stories and their own world.
Perhaps they will use this opportunity (since they're not sticking to Rosa's timeline either) to finally do away with all those constricting "rules" that Rosa came up with, and allow characters and ideas that would not fit with Rosa's stories.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on May 14, 2018 20:19:32 GMT
Ah, I see. I was focused on the "Scrooge and family history" part.
Also! Still keeping y'all updated on the factoids revealed by Angones on his blog.
Asked about Magica's British accent, he replied that there were many reasons. Reason one: imitating June Foray's unique Eastern European accent would have ended up a lame shadow of the original. Reason two: an Italian accent (which they "played around with" at one point), combined with Magica's boisterous personality and her greed, would have made her seem like "some sort of Italian stereotype — like an evil pizza chef". Reason three: she doesn't have a noticeable accent for Barks, since he does phonetically write down an Italian accent for her for one of her disguises, implying she doesn't have one normally. Reason four: Catherine Tate soon revealed herself as the perfect foil for Tennant's Scrooge.
Bushroot's absence is because Angones wasn't sure he'd get to use Darkwing Duck again, and wanted to cram his favorites in first. Note past tense; it seems he has been reassured that he would be in a position to give us more DW in the future.
He confirmed the Greek Gods who debuted in The Spear of Selene would all be returning some time in the future. Selene was a given, but nice to know for the others, for those who liked them. (And for a start, I know for a fact, from the Tumblr Side of the Fandom, that Sorkules has a bunch of fangirls crushing over him already.)
Angones aparently spells it "Headless Manhorse", not "Headless Man-Horse". Who knew?
Weirdest for last, when asked about what his stance on the "furry confusion", "Goofy walking Pluto on a leash" thing, he answers: Man, our show starts with a seagull being shooed off a boat by an anthropomorphic seagull fisherman. I am not the person you want to ask about this. This is weird because beyond the obvious joke, the "anthromorphic seagull fisherman" is presumably this guy…
…who looks for all the world like a duck. In fact, I had him pegged down as a cameo of Blarney O'Duck:
But apparently… not? Angones is weird with species. For some reason he seems to consider Launchpad McQuack is a duck, which, have you looked at the man?
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on May 15, 2018 0:26:59 GMT
Someone needs to explain the Modified Emslie Anthopomorphism Scale (MEAS) to Mr. Angones, so he can effectively answer the inevitable questions like this ...
Launchpad McQuack was always a duck (hence the name "McQuack"). His large chin makes him look like a pelican, but it more likely is that way to suggest that Launchpad is the "Square-jawed hero type" rather than a pelican.
Asked about Magica's British accent, he replied that there were many reasons. Reason one: imitating June Foray's unique Eastern European accent would have ended up a lame shadow of the original. Reason two: an Italian accent (which they "played around with" at one point), combined with Magica's boisterous personality and her greed, would have made her seem like "some sort of Italian stereotype — like an evil pizza chef". Reason three: she doesn't have a noticeable accent for Barks, since he does phonetically write down an Italian accent for her for one of her disguises, implying she doesn't have one normally. Reason four: Catherine Tate soon revealed herself as the perfect foil for Tennant's Scrooge.
I would say it's very stereotypical to give an antagonist British accent. Why did they give her an accent anyway? Besides, Scrooge doesn't have any accent in Barks' story.
I would say it's very stereotypical to give an antagonist British accent.
You're confusing two things. The "Evil Brit" trope is sort of an inexplicable oddity of fiction, which relies on the idea that a British accent sounds "cultured" and thus feeds into the idea of an upper-class, educated, diabolically intelligent villain. But it's unique to fiction; there's no true racism from Americans towards Britons, to my knowledge. Whereas a "stereotypical Italian" character, especially to an American audience, may come across to an American audience as being as genuinely racist as one of those horrible caricatures of Irishmen or Japanese people.
Why did they give her an accent anyway? Besides, Scrooge doesn't have any accent in Barks' story.
Everyone's got an accent. You can't speak "blank" English. Therefore, you may argue that Scrooge didn't have a Scottish accent, but he most definitely had to have an agent. And by the same token, they had to give Magica some accent, and while "standard American accent" may appear straightforward for Huey, Dewey and Louie or Rockerduck, it's not the same for magcia. Magica is not a native speaker, any accent is equally justifiable — a lot of European schools teach Oxford English, not American English, so it makes sense
That's very interesting! Seeing Gideon or Brigitta in animated form would be amazing. I'm a bit indifferent when it comes to Fethry, though; I've never really understood why he is so insanely popular in some countries. I doubt that they would find a way for him to be in the new DuckTales without being superfluous, too: if they need an eccentric character who drags along Donald in his plans, they might as well use Ludwig Von Drake (who is a much better and funnier character than Fethry, in my opinion), and if they need a clumsy/dimwitted but likeable character, they might as well use Goofy, who has the great advantage of not really needing any introduction. Fethry usually has either of these roles whenever he appears.
Fethry Duck is nothing like Ludwig and Goofy!
Ludwig is a real savant. He is a bit out-of-mind, yet he is someone who applies real solid knowledge. Fethry is the opposite: a guy who relies on the reading of the week, being blindly confident on unreliable sources, and in any cases turning all his enthusiastic efforts into pure chaos and destruction. The two characters are the opposite, so much that in some Kinney-Hubbard's short stories Donald turns to Ludwig to stop Fethry. (It was the case even in his very fist appearence!) When they appear together in comics, Ludwig and Fethry seems to have a good dynamics too.
As concerns the comparison with Goofy. Well, it is true that since the middle seventies Italian Disney comics (the ones where Fethry is a main cast member) have changed the personality of Fethry, making him less annoying and more naïve. To give an idea, I like to say that the original Fethry written by Kinney was a duck on cocaine, whereas the modern (Italian) version is more a duck on weed. (And ultimately, this is the reason why Fethry is some kind of national heroes in Italy ) Yet, he remains pretty different from Goofy. The latter is a character who follows his own bizarre/absurd logic. Whereas Fethry is more an incoherent/emotional character. Ever they clumsiness are pretty different.
By the way, I find the personality of Fethry very much in line to the modern humor of this series!
Also, Drake and Goofy are cartoon characters in the first place! Do we need to seem them rebooted again in these Ducktales? (We know we will see Ludwig in one episode, anyway.) Fethry is a main cast member in Disney comics since 1964...fifty-four years of honorable service! I think he finally deserves a cartoon appearance!
I agree it Fethry deserve his first cartoon apperance, as he's most used non-Barks-universe character in the comics (even if personaly I would much more like to see Brigitta, Rockerduck or Arpin Lusene) and I would be interested to see what spin Duck Tales would put on him...
Even if I think it would be easy to make him come of to similiar to Lunchpad and Starkules in being enthusiastic but clueless.
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That's very interesting! Seeing Gideon or Brigitta in animated form would be amazing. I'm a bit indifferent when it comes to Fethry, though; I've never really understood why he is so insanely popular in some countries. I doubt that they would find a way for him to be in the new DuckTales without being superfluous, too: if they need an eccentric character who drags along Donald in his plans, they might as well use Ludwig Von Drake (who is a much better and funnier character than Fethry, in my opinion), and if they need a clumsy/dimwitted but likeable character, they might as well use Goofy, who has the great advantage of not really needing any introduction. Fethry usually has either of these roles whenever he appears.
Fethry Duck is nothing like Ludwig and Goofy!
Ludwig is a real savant. He is a bit out-of-mind, yet he is someone who applies real solid knowledge. Fethry is the opposite: a guy who relies on the reading of the week, being blindly confident on unreliable sources, and in any cases turning all his enthusiastic efforts into pure chaos and destruction. The two characters are the opposite, so much that in some Kinney-Hubbard's short stories Donald turns to Ludwig to stop Fethry. (It was the case even in his very fist appearence!) When they appear together in comics, Ludwig and Fethry seems to have a good dynamics too.
As concerns the comparison with Goofy. Well, it is true that since the middle seventies Italian Disney comics (the ones where Fethry is a main cast member) have changed the personality of Fethry, making him less annoying and more naïve. To give an idea, I like to say that the original Fethry written by Kinney was a duck on cocaine, whereas the modern (Italian) version is more a duck on weed. (And ultimately, this is the reason why Fethry is some kind of national heroes in Italy ) Yet, he remains pretty different from Goofy. The latter is a character who follows his own bizarre/absurd logic. Whereas Fethry is more an incoherent/emotional character. Ever they clumsiness are pretty different.
By the way, I find the personality of Fethry very much in line to the modern humor of this series!
Also, Drake and Goofy are cartoon characters in the first place! Do we need to seem them rebooted again in these Ducktales? (We know we will see Ludwig in one episode, anyway.) Fethry is a main cast member in Disney comics since 1964...fifty-four years of honorable service! I think he finally deserves a cartoon appearance!
Actually, most of the comedy in Ludwig's appearances (in animation, anyway) is that hugely overestimates himself, prides himself for his genius, when in reality he's often incompetent, and his speech is full of grammatical and spelling errors, yet he pronounces them with the fullest of confidence. It's the big difference between Gyro and Ludwig; while Gyro is very competent, he's also very humble, and doesn't realize or acknkoweldge his genius to others. Ludwig is far less competent than Gyro, but adores himself for being a self-proclaimed "expert on everything". That overconfident incompetente is too similar to Fethry (even in your description), in my opinion, except I find Ludwig the better character by a landslide, especially when it comes to classic animation.
Also, yes I'd prefer to see previously established characters like Ludwig rather than Fethry in the show. They're already spending a LOT of time on introducing characters to new audience--adding characters just for the heck of it is never a good idea (regardless of how long the character has existed), especially when (in my opinion) the character doesn't add anything that some of the existing characters can already add in a funnier better way, as I mentioned.
I guess I just don't know what all the fuss is about. He's not THAT good a character, though maybe I just haven't been reading the right stories with him.
They're already spending a LOT of time on introducing characters to new audience--adding characters just for the heck of it is never a good idea (regardless of how long the character has existed),
Well of course when I say that 'I hope to see Fethry on Ducktales' I mean that I hope they find a good plot for a good episode in which a good funny animated version of him can have a role. If they have to put him in there just for make comics readers happy then better not.
We should also remind that, when at his best, Fethry is never on his own: he's a component in a comic duo with Donald. That was the original invention of Kinney! (Well, not really an invention, but a clever injection into Disney comics.) In this perspective I think that an appearance of Fethry would be cool: to see how he would drive this 'Ducktales17 Donald Duck' crazy! Neither Lunchpad nor von Drake, not Goofy or even Mickey mouse, could be used at that purpose. In other words, I want to see a 'Fethry episode' in the second season for the same reasons we were all expecting a 'Gladstone episode' in this first one!
I do not know...Fethry is the most adorable character in Disney comics for me. And he's got potential. Angones just confirmed that he will probably make Brigitta and Paperetta Yé-Yé appear, two boring characters (like all Scarpa's original characters)...and Fethry Duck would be the problem to you??? Come on!
They're already spending a LOT of time on introducing characters to new audience--adding characters just for the heck of it is never a good idea (regardless of how long the character has existed),
Well of course when I say that 'I hope to see Fethry on Ducktales' I mean that I hope they find a good plot for a good episode in which a good funny animated version of him can have a role. If they have to put him in there just for make comics readers happy then better not.
We should also remind that, when at his best, Fethry is never on his own: he's a component in a comic duo with Donald. That was the original invention of Kinney! (Well, not really an invention, but a clever injection into Disney comics.) In this perspective I think that an appearance of Fethry would be cool: to see how he would drive this 'Ducktales17 Donald Duck' crazy! Neither Lunchpad nor von Drake, not Goofy or even Mickey mouse, could be used at that purpose. In other words, I want to see a 'Fethry episode' in the second season for the same reasons we were all expecting a 'Gladstone episode' in this first one!
I do not know...Fethry is the most adorable character in Disney comics for me. And he's got potential. Angones just confirmed that he will probably make Brigitta and Paperetta Yé-Yé appear, two boring characters (like all Scarpa's original characters)...and Fethry Duck would be the problem to you??? Come on!
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, then. I wouldn't find Fethry necessarily a problem, as I said I'm just indifferent towards the character in general, and certainly don't think there's a reason that he has to be in DuckTales. And yes, I do like Scarpa's work and characters, especially Gideon and Brigitta. Paperetta would indeed be extremely outdated as 1960s teen, so she probably won't appear.
I especially think Brigitta would be good in the new DuckTales, especially since they're characterizing Scrooge as a bit of a pompous WAK in the new show, with his smug "I'm too cool to care about this" attitude (much moreso than in the comics, where Scrooge would be in tears when the Beagle Boys threaten his money). Scrooge always being on the lookout for Brigitta, and even her rivaling him in his businesses, like in the comics, could be done very funnily. Especially since neither Glomgold nor Mark Beaks seem like much of genuine competition for Scrooge, more like a bunch of bumbling idiots that smug-Scrooge rolls his eyes at.