BTW, where is Donald's car shown to be equipped with a GPS? I watched the trailer again and couldn't see it. Was it somewhere else? It's moot, anyway, I guess; as others have pointed out, Mark Beaks' story puts him (and thus the whole show) in the 2010s.
"Destination: McDuck Mansion."
"As in Scrooge McDuck? That multi-jillionaire?"
It doesn't show a GPS. Are you going by the voice? I somehow thought that was a narrator, since it's the opening line. But we don't hear a narrator at any other point, so maybe you're right.
It doesn't show a GPS. Are you going by the voice? I somehow thought that was a narrator, since it's the opening line. But we don't hear a narrator at any other point, so maybe you're right.
Yes, by the voice. I think the voice is too stiff to be the narrator.
As drakeborough mentioned, I took it to be a way to explain how Scrooge could be so active and sprightly well into his eighties, something that's an issue even in comics set in 1950s (and something that applies to other characters as well, such as Grandma and Blackheart Beagle). Not that I doubt this show will be set in modern times, but I don't think that line can be adduced to support it.
Which reminds me, Barks had Scrooge celebrate his 75th birthday in a one page gag, with Donald, HD&L attending his party. This contradicts Rosa's timeline. Did Rosa ever try to defend it?
Which reminds me, Barks had Scrooge celebrate his 75th birthday in a one page gag, with Donald, HD&L attending his party. This contradicts Rosa's timeline. Did Rosa ever try to defend it?
Rosa was asked about that on the Papersera Forum in 2011. Here is the original question:
You maybe discussed it, but in this Barks’ story coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+US+++12-01 Uncle scrooge celebrate his 75th birthday. Since this was published in 1955, I would assume that Scrooge was born on 1980. That is 13 years later that in your chronology. Is there any particular reason for which you dismissed this one pager?
This was Rosa's answer:
First of all, you naturally meant to type "1880" rather than "1980".
Okay, if $crooge was born in 1880, then he would have been a newborn baby when, as Barks ALSO stated in a somewhat earlier story, he had been involved in a Mississippi riverboat race in 1880. And only 2 years old when he was involved in "range wars" in the Wild West of 1882 as mentioned in another earlier Barks story. Carl Barks was not trying to create stories that agreed with each other in perfect chronology. And yet, because he was making stories in an intelligent manner showing respect to his readers, his stories exhibit great accuracy to history and remarkably few anacronisms. So, when I came across the inevitable self-contradiction in a Barks story involving $crooge's life, I would choose the earlier instance. Since Barks had already established that $crooge was in America in 1880-1882 having "adult" type adventures, I stick to those facts. Then I decide that the one-page gag where there is a discrepancy was A) Perhaps not written by Barks, or B) Is actually taking place some years PRIOR to when it was printed, which is how I like to regard all of Barks' stories that were first printed in the 1960's.
Yes, I'm doing this as a nerdy fanboy who loves what he read as a child rather than a professional cartoonist who is not very interested in what has gone before. But that's how I am.
The user who asked the original question then wrote:
Thanks much! It is so much fun to argue over this minutiae... It really is depressing (at least to me) that you had to quit professional drawings...
I think that, of the many points he made in his answer, the one that really matters is the one in which he said that he ignores a fact whenever that fact contradicts other established facts. The other points are more generic rules that don't apply to this case, as there is no proof that Barks didn't write this one page gag, and even if it took place a few years before writing it, it wouldn't fit into Rosa's idea that Scrooge didn't meet his nephews until he was 80. Even if we assume that the one page gag actually took place few days/weeks/months after "Christmas on Bear Mountain", this would place Scrooge's birth year in 1872 or 1873, which is earlier than the unreasonable 1880 but still clearly too late for him to have done the things Barks said he did in 1880 and 1882. So, it doesn't matter when we believe this one page gag would take place in-universe, it would still create contradictions and I perfectly see why Rosa felt the need to ignore it. I think I even remember a DCML discussion where a user said Barks only used the number 75 because they only sold light bulbs with Watts that were multiples of 25, or something like that, but I can't find the discussion.
And even though Rosa wrote "I would choose the earlier instance", I think what he meant was "I would choose the non-contradictory instance, which in this case happens to be the earlier one" (we must keep in mind that a quick post on a forum is not like an article meant for publication). By the way, the story which mentions "range wars" in the Wild West of 1882 is indeed an earlier story ("Only a Poor Old Man", 1952), while the one that mentions the 1880 riveboat race is actually from a later story ("Hall of the Mermaid Queen", 1967).
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Which reminds me, Barks had Scrooge celebrate his 75th birthday in a one page gag, with Donald, HD&L attending his party. This contradicts Rosa's timeline. Did Rosa ever try to defend it?
Rosa was asked about that on the Papersera Forum in 2011. Here is the original question:
You maybe discussed it, but in this Barks’ story coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+US+++12-01 Uncle scrooge celebrate his 75th birthday. Since this was published in 1955, I would assume that Scrooge was born on 1980. That is 13 years later that in your chronology. Is there any particular reason for which you dismissed this one pager?
This was Rosa's answer:
First of all, you naturally meant to type "1880" rather than "1980".
Okay, if $crooge was born in 1880, then he would have been a newborn baby when, as Barks ALSO stated in a somewhat earlier story, he had been involved in a Mississippi riverboat race in 1880. And only 2 years old when he was involved in "range wars" in the Wild West of 1882 as mentioned in another earlier Barks story. Carl Barks was not trying to create stories that agreed with each other in perfect chronology. And yet, because he was making stories in an intelligent manner showing respect to his readers, his stories exhibit great accuracy to history and remarkably few anacronisms. So, when I came across the inevitable self-contradiction in a Barks story involving $crooge's life, I would choose the earlier instance. Since Barks had already established that $crooge was in America in 1880-1882 having "adult" type adventures, I stick to those facts. Then I decide that the one-page gag where there is a discrepancy was A) Perhaps not written by Barks, or B) Is actually taking place some years PRIOR to when it was printed, which is how I like to regard all of Barks' stories that were first printed in the 1960's.
Yes, I'm doing this as a nerdy fanboy who loves what he read as a child rather than a professional cartoonist who is not very interested in what has gone before. But that's how I am.
The user who asked the original question then wrote:
Thanks much! It is so much fun to argue over this minutiae... It really is depressing (at least to me) that you had to quit professional drawings...
I think that, of the many points he made in his answer, the one that really matters is the one in which he said that he ignores a fact whenever that fact contradicts other established facts. The other points are more generic rules that don't apply to this case, as there is no proof that Barks didn't write this one page gag, and even if it took place a few years before writing it, it wouldn't fit into Rosa's idea that Scrooge didn't meet his nephews until he was 80. Even if we assume that the one page gag actually took place few days/weeks/months after "Christmas on Bear Mountain", this would place Scrooge's birth year in 1872 or 1873, which is earlier than the unreasonable 1880 but still clearly too late for him to have done the things Barks said he did in 1880 and 1882. So, it doesn't matter when we believe this one page gag would take place in-universe, it would still create contradictions and I perfectly see why Rosa felt the need to ignore it. I think I even remember a DCML discussion where a user said Barks only used the number 75 because they only sold light bulbs with Watts that were multiples of 25, or something like that, but I can't find the discussion.
And even though Rosa wrote "I would choose the earlier instance", I think what he meant was "I would choose the non-contradictory instance, which in this case happens to be the earlier one" (we must keep in mind that a quick post on a forum is not like an article meant for publication). By the way, the story which mentions "range wars" in the Wild West of 1882 is indeed an earlier story ("Only a Poor Old Man", 1952), while the one that mentions the 1880 riveboat race is actually from a later story ("Hall of the Mermaid Queen", 1967).
Also worth noting: his " actually taking place some years PRIOR to when it was printed" idea doesn't work with his continuity, since, when Scrooge was 75, he hadn't yet reunited with Donald and HD&L — at least, not enough for them to be celebrating his birthday together.
Also worth noting: his " actually taking place some years PRIOR to when it was printed" idea doesn't work with his continuity, since, when Scrooge was 75, he hadn't yet reunited with Donald and HD&L — at least, not enough for them to be celebrating his birthday together.
Indeed, that's one of the point I made in my message ("even if it took place a few years before writing it, it wouldn't fit into Rosa's idea that Scrooge didn't meet his nephews until he was 80").
My guess is that Rosa didn't click on the Inducks link while writing his message, so he didn't know/remember that Donald and HDL also appear in that one page gag.
Here's a wild thought. What if the show doesn't really take place in any specific time period and the year on the cover was just something the person who designed it thought to include and found 1867 through googling it?
A lot of times, the people working on this type of spinoff material don't know much more about what hasn't been released yet than we do. I wouldn't look too deeply into this until the show starts airing.
Here's a wild thought. What if the show doesn't really take place in any specific time period and the year on the cover was just something the person who designed it thought to include and found 1867 through googling it?
A lot of times, the people working on this type of spinoff material don't know much more about what hasn't been released yet than we do. I wouldn't look too deeply into this until the show starts airing.
The cover also says that Scrooge likes to swim in his money bank instead of money bin, so I would imagine that the image may not be finalized just yet.
Here's a wild thought. What if the show doesn't really take place in any specific time period and the year on the cover was just something the person who designed it thought to include and found 1867 through googling it?
A lot of times, the people working on this type of spinoff material don't know much more about what hasn't been released yet than we do. I wouldn't look too deeply into this until the show starts airing.
The cover also says that Scrooge likes to swim in his money bank instead of money bin, so I would imagine that the image may not be finalized just yet.
Maybe. Or maybe the Money Bin will be renamed "money bank" in the new DuckTales series and/or in the new DuckTales comics.
Here's a wild thought. What if the show doesn't really take place in any specific time period and the year on the cover was just something the person who designed it thought to include and found 1867 through googling it?
A lot of times, the people working on this type of spinoff material don't know much more about what hasn't been released yet than we do. I wouldn't look too deeply into this until the show starts airing.
Looks like you're right. From Angone's Tumblr:
mellenabrave asked: I'm confused, according to a promotion you released Scroog is still born in 1867. But your show seems to take place in modern time, meaning he's over 150 years old. But wouldn't that mean his sisters would be around the same age? When (and how) were Donald and Della born then?
Angones: That wasn’t a promotion, that was an accidental leak of a test cover for the comics. None of that info is official, it was random patter for a mock-up.
So we are not going to see the year 1867 on the actual cover? Too bad, it's always good when a piece of info from the comics makes it into the DuckTales franchise. I will be happy, though, if they change "money bank" back to "Money Bin".
DuckTales #0 will also come in a convention variant that will be sold for $10 at San Diego Comic-Con. The convention variant is limited to 500 copies and features cover art by Bone artist Jeff Smith.
So, among other things they removed the "Born in 1867" which we discussed and replaced it with "Smarter than the smarties", a comic book reference completed by the addition of "Tougher than the toughies" on the right. They also corrected "money bank" into "Money Bin".