Mine are... -Duck Avenger: Not the one from the most recent stories, where he's more or less just a feathery version of a marvel hero. But i think the Phantom Duck from the first stories, who had less extreme weapons, is a good addition to Rosa's universe. I'd love it if my favourite creator rewrote Villa Rosa story in his own way (of course, that will probably never happen). -Brigitta: Even Barks indirectly accepted her as canon. I imagine her as being a little girl when Scrooge arrived on Duckburg and growing up viewing him as her hero. -Fethry: Because why not?
Mine are... -Duck Avenger: Not the one from the most recent stories, where he's more or less just a feathery version of a marvel hero. But i think the Phantom Duck from the first stories, who had less extreme weapons, is a good addition to Rosa's universe. I'd love it if my favourite creator rewrote Villa Rosa story in his own way (of course, that will probably never happen). -Brigitta: Even Barks indirectly accepted her as canon. I imagine her as being a little girl when Scrooge arrived on Duckburg and growing up viewing him as her hero. -Fethry: Because why not?
Well, if the question is which characters are compatible with Rosa canon (which is completely different from Barks canon), all Scarpa creations (Brigitta, Jubal Pomp, Dickie Duck) with the exception of Gideon McDuck would be (and perhaps also excluding Kildare Coot, whom I just learned about recently). Outside of Scarpa's work, Fethry, Rumpus, and Launchpad could be, as well. As to characters that have not appeared in Rosa stories whom I accept into my personal headcanon (which is based predominantly on the Rosa Duckverse), it'd just be Fethry and Rumpus. I don't think Gideon, Brigitta, Dickie Duck, Moby Duck, Belle Duck or any of the DuckTales-exclusive characters add anything of value (not too fond of Rumpus either but kind of like his backstory, or at least the version of it that exists in my headcanon). I abhor the whole concept of Duck Avenger, because Donald in my headcanon is an everyman, not a superhero. If I wanted that in the Duckverse, I'd just bring the Darkwing Duck ensemble in; they would fit in seamlessly. .
- I don't accept Duck Avenger as an upgrade of the Barks/Rosa version, but I like him as if he lives in the same timeline as Super Goof (kind of a different universe). - Brigitta is a character that I don't like at all. - Fethry: well, I'm brazillian! Of course I like him! Even though Don Rosa never wrote a story featuring him, I can imagine his first apearence as a continuation of Barks/Rosa timeline. - John D. Rockerduck was created by Barks, but he used him only once. I like him as an antagonist for Uncle Scrooge. I also think he could be in the new Ducktales series as well. - Hard Haid Moe: he's popular in my country.
Like you I start with a Barks/Rosa canon: almost all of Barks' characters (some one-shots don't make it), plus Arpin Lusène and Scrooge's family as imagined by Rosa. Oh, and Panchito and José Carioca, à la Rosa. As Rosa says, we can count Ludwig Von Drake as part of the Barks canon since Barks did use him once in a strip.
Family members not on Rosa's tree: Grandma Duck's cousin Amanda ("Bananas" Halas & Angus/Branca) and Gus's cousin Greta Goose (story in WDC 141, Don Christensen/Wright) and her boyfriend Hjalmar. I vacillate on Dickie Duck--we'll see if she attains reality in my headcanon once I've read some of the Vito Stabile stories featuring her. At this point I'd say she doesn't make the cut. She's the only Scarpa character that has a chance, though.
As I have said before, in my headcanon Fethry lived in Duckburg and bothered Donald when Donald was living alone as a very young man, before HDL came to live with him (thus stories where Fethry and HDL appear are noncanonical for me). That's also when Donald had Tabby. I imagine that Fethry moved far away before the boys moved in--I like to think that he moved to Italy, where he is a reporter for Topolino (a magazine which features only Mickey comics, since Mickey is not real to me, plus celebrity interviews and such). This explains why he never appeared in any of the stories I read as a child (or in Rosa's world).
Denizens of Duckburg and its environs: Madam Mim and her created-for-comics cat Spitfire--yes, there are issues about fitting her into a Barks/Rosa world, but she was living near Duckburg in the comics in my childhood and was the best non-villain female character (no, she wasn't a villain in comics, even if she did sometimes hang out with the Beagle Boys) Hank the Hermit ("The Ghost of Kamikaze Ridge" William Van Horn)--I know Inducks says this is the same hairy hermit who appears in Barks' story in WDC 39, but I'm not convinced of that--did Van Horn himself indicate that intent? Amanda Fox (Maya Astrup/Ferioli), Daisy's longtime friend Stella Curfew (Korhonen), the sheriff of Grandma Duck's county and a friend of hers, in the GD Detective series Cissy Swann (Michael T. Gilbert/Miguel), Gus Goose's friend (some romantic interest involved, but not exactly his girlfriend) Belle Duck--I see no problem with inserting her into the Life & Times--no reason Scrooge couldn't have had a girlfriend before he met Goldie, and no reason he shouldn't still have fond feelings for her--that doesn't mean he is still, or indeed ever was, seriously in love with her. Captain Annie ("Roundabout Rally" Kinney/Fletcher) Pyrite Jennie ("The Gold Hound" Langhans & Moore/Uzal--Inducks credits the writing to Vic Lockman, who wrote the lead story in that issue--I'm going by the credits in the comic), a prospector who lives not far from Duckburg with her dog Biscuit Garvey Gull (Halas & Martin/Branca), HDL's friend Litzy (Nino Russ/Mastantuono), a member of the Chickadees--I have a story where she alone (of the female characters created in the GM stories) appears along with the JWs, and that makes it easier for me to single her out as "real" without accepting all those other characters--I like the story ("il lama bianco"), so that helped make her real for me.
Characters living elsewhere: Jeb and Zeb Clinker ("Rattled Railroader" Fallberg/Strobl) Captain Ahab the 6th and Moby Dick the 6th ("The Great White Whale" Terry LaBan/Miguel)--I'm fond of this story because it brings Donald and the boys on vacation to New England, where I live Big Barnsmell aka Barnsie ("A Trailblazing Tale" Transgaard/Gattino), a fellow prospector from Scrooge's Yukon days--the story as is may not fit smoothly into the Life & Times, but I can always view the flashback as somewhat embroidered in remembrance, and I really like the character Brenda (Knut Nærum & Tormod Løkling/Arild Midthun)--the Christmas story was meant to fit into the Life & Times, and it does for me--she is "now" in the 1950's an old woman, of course Minima DeSpell (Michael T. Gilbert)--I know she was created for a DuckTales story, but I've seen her in other stories, and I like her, so there. Granny DeSpell also appears in those stories, and I guess she's OK, but Minima is more real to me. Mercedes Pujol (Miquel Pujol), the Barcelona artist Lazarus Mana ("The Easter Island Mystery" Wejp-Olsen & Kenner/Boster), the lone JW on Easter Island Zantaf (Bottaro) Professor Oleg Owlson ("Helmet of the Gods" Panaro/Freccero)--the newest addition: I have to mentally erase the computers, but that's easy to do--I love the story and the character design
I also am fond of the Geradts/Gulien story "Piratenzang" with the teen-idol singer (Girly Duck in the original, Dora Duck in French, Lena Lau in German--I suggest "Zoe Zanger" as her English name!). The problem with fitting her into the Rosa time frame is that she's making a music video, something which really wasn't done before the 1980's. I haven't decided what to do about that yet. But a singer whose song can
Well, if the question is which characters are compatible with Rosa canon (which is completely different from Barks canon), all Scarpa creations (Brigitta, Jubal Pomp, Dickie Duck) with the exception of Gideon McDuck would be (and perhaps also excluding Kildare Coot, whom I just learned about recently).
Just curious, Baar Baar Jinx--would you say that Dickie Duck is compatible with Rosa canon as Goldie and Scrooge's grandchild, or as Goldie's grandchild via some later marriage or liaison?
I like to think that he moved to Italy, where he is a reporter for Topolino (a magazine which features only Mickey comics, since Mickey is not real to me, plus celebrity interviews and such).
Wait, you mean in your head canon? Because in real life Topolino is the magazine where all new Italian stories are released. So actually you find more duck than mouse stories in it! (When I was a kid, in the middle of the nineties, many weekly issues where full duck stories. Sometimes a little Mickey's fan as I was had to wait even a month to see a Mickey story! That was hell! But now the situation is a bit more balanced...)
EDIT: ah ok, now I am sure you meant that to be "just in your headcanon". In your "duckuniverse", Mickey is a comics character. Everything makes sense.
By the way, sometimes Fethry actually appears as a reporter in Topolino outside the comics, i.e. in some of the journalistic/reporting pages...
I like to think that he moved to Italy, where he is a reporter for Topolino (a magazine which features only Mickey comics, since Mickey is not real to me, plus celebrity interviews and such).
I'm curious, are there any reason why you exclude Mickey from your headcanon?
I like to think that he moved to Italy, where he is a reporter for Topolino (a magazine which features only Mickey comics, since Mickey is not real to me, plus celebrity interviews and such).
Wait, you mean in your head canon? Because in real life Topolino is the magazine where all new Italian stories are released. So actually you find more duck than mouse stories in it! (When I was a kid, in the middle of the nineties, many weekly issues where full duck stories. Sometimes a little Mickey's fan as I was had to wait even a month to see a Mickey story! That was hell! But now the situation is a bit more balanced...)
EDIT: ah ok, now I am sure you meant that to be "just in your headcanon". In your "duckuniverse", Mickey is a comics character. Everything makes sense.
By the way, sometimes Fethry actually appears as a reporter in Topolino outside the comics, i.e. in some of the journalistic/reporting pages...
Yes, you got it. In my headcanon Duckiverse (as, possibly, in Rosa's), Mickey is a comics character. Unlike some Italians, I can't believe that Donald himself would be a comics character in the universe where Donald lives--that would prevent him from being an "everyman" character. So Topolino could exist in my Duckiverse, but it would have only Mickey comics, not Donald comics. The exception to that rule might be DuckTales comics, if you assume as Rosa sometimes does that DuckTales is an in-universe fictionalization of the adventures of Scrooge & Co. This actually works better for me with the original DuckTales than it would for the coming reboot, since Donald barely appeared in the original DuckTales. Again, part of my concern there is preserving Donald's "everyman" quality.There are a slew of Donald stories that wouldn't seem to work for me if I were thinking that Donald was some sort of celebrity in Duckburg through the comics.
And yes, I am aware that Fethry sometimes appears as a reporter in the journalistic pages of Topolino --that's part of why I decided on this placement for him in my Duckiverse's present day. Also, I like having him live in Italy because the Italians love him so (though, of course, in my Duckiverse they don't know him as a comics character...).
I like to think that he moved to Italy, where he is a reporter for Topolino (a magazine which features only Mickey comics, since Mickey is not real to me, plus celebrity interviews and such).
I'm curious, are there any reason why you exclude Mickey from your headcanon?
Two pieces to my answer: First, the Duck universe and the Mouse universe are separate universes for me, and if Mickey were "real" to me, he would not live in the same universe as the Ducks.
Second, only the Ducks became "real" in my inner world in my childhood comics-reading. Possibly if I had read better Mickey stories, if better Mickey stories had been published in American comics in the 1960's.... but I never came to care enough about Mickey & Co. to develop a mental fictional universe where they were real, and seemed to go on living outside the comics. The Ducks did, thanks to Barks. While I have greatly enjoyed many Mouse stories I've read as an adult (Markstein! Casty!), the characters have never attained that level of mental reality for me. They never seem "alive" in my mind in an ongoing way outside their stories. Of course many fictional characters *have* attained that sort of mental "reality" in my mind in adulthood, so it's not a matter of my age when encountering the stories. Just a question of how the stories speak to me. I've written elsewhere (on the old DCF, maybe on GeoX's blog) about why this might be, but I don't want to go into it at length here. One piece of the reason may be that the central Duck characters have family relationships, while Mickey basically just has pals.
To some extent this is all taken for granted if one starts with a Rosarian canon, since Rosa also excludes the Mice from his Duckiverse.
Well, if the question is which characters are compatible with Rosa canon (which is completely different from Barks canon), all Scarpa creations (Brigitta, Jubal Pomp, Dickie Duck) with the exception of Gideon McDuck would be (and perhaps also excluding Kildare Coot, whom I just learned about recently).
Just curious, Baar Baar Jinx--would you say that Dickie Duck is compatible with Rosa canon as Goldie and Scrooge's grandchild, or as Goldie's grandchild via some later marriage or liaison?
By "compatible with Rosa canon", I mean that a character's existence and relationship with pre-existing characters, as presented, does not violate Rosa's works or published family tree ... so from that perspective, I guess both scenarios are compatible. Especially since Rosa has stated that he intended for the infamous "melting snow on the rooftop" scene in "Prisoner of White Agony Creek" to mean that Dickie Duck could indeed be a descendant of Scrooge. I don't accept Dickie Duck as part of my headcanon, but if I was forced to choose, I'd vastly prefer that Dickie Duck not be Scrooge's grandchild.
To elaborate on a point I made earlier, a lot of people say "Barks/Rosa universe" in one breath, but honestly, there's nothing in, say, Scarpa's work, that contradicts anything Barks wrote. He didn't, for example, have Scrooge be Donald's grandfather or suggest that HD&L were Donald's cousins. He merely added characters around previously established relationships. So, technically, one could say "Barks/Scarpa" universe as easily and as accurately as "Barks/Rosa universe". At one pint, I was guilty of giving Rosa's works higher sanctity than others' as well, but have since come around, even though Rosa's take is what I prefer and is the basis of my headcanon. Rosa made a point of trying not to create characters that he didn't need to, but even the ones he did create, like Hortense, Matilda, Quackmore and Scrooge's parents, never appeared in published Barks work and are thus Rosa characters, not part of Barks canon. It's debatable whether something an author says or writes unofficially is really part of that author's oeuvre; thus, one could argue that Barks' unpublished family tree can safely be ignored.
Re: Mickey Mouse, I agree with Matilda that the Mouse universe and the Duck universe simply do not mix at all. Any story where Mickey and Donald meet or even mention each other instantly becomes "unreal" to me. I suppose as an occasional meta-joke, I can accept HD&L reading a Mickey Mouse comic or a scene with Goofy and Minnie playing on TV in the background of a Duck story, reinforcing the view that they are "fictional characters within a fictional universe" (as long as it's a throwaway gag and not a focus of the story) , but in my headcanon, Duckburg, Calisota and Mouseton, Pennecticut exist in parallel universes. And just because something has been published in English either by Gemstone or IDW doesn't mean I automatically accept it as an established fact; I see stories containing such elements as translations of foreign material by other fans, who have their own interpretations that may differ from mine. So, in my headcanon, Duckburg and Mouseton are not twin Calisota cities, Scrooge's butler's name is not the same as Donald's father's, and Gideon McDuck is not Scrooge's brother.
With regards to the phenomenon of "imprinting" in the development of individual headcanon, i.e., our tendency to accept ideas that we are exposed to early in our introduction to a franchise, I can attest to that personally with an example; as a child I read a Western story (not sure which one it was but I think it may have been drawn by Dick Moore) in which a guy thinks Goofy is a long-lost descendant of a royal family or some such, and Mickey mentions that Goofy has no family, is an orphan and "no one knows where he came from" (or something to that effect). A silly idea, I know, but for years I accepted that as canon and any story I read where a relative of Goofy's showed up, I'd say to myself, "doesn't this writer know Goofy is an orphan?" I've gotten over that but it took me a long time. (BTW, does anyone have any idea what story that might have been? Sorry that I remember so little about it.)
To elaborate on a point I made earlier, a lot of people say "Barks/Rosa universe" in one breath, but honestly, there's nothing in, say, Scarpa's work, that contradicts anything Barks wrote.
Well, to make an example there's Goldie's location in the Old West rather than in the Klondike. I think there's nothing wrong in using the expression "Barks universe" and "Barks/Rosa universe": the latter basically means "Rosa universe", but since most of Rosa's stories have the characters mentioning adventures they had in Barks stories, then it is not a bad idea to refer to "Rosa universe" as "Barks/Rosa universe", while still keeping the option of mentioning a "Barks universe" in which Rosa's stories didn't happen.
Rosa made a point of trying not to create characters that he didn't need to, but even the ones he did create, like Hortense, Matilda, Quackmore and Scrooge's parents, never appeared in published Barks work and are thus Rosa characters, not part of Barks canon. It's debatable whether something an author says or writes unofficially is really part of that author's oeuvre; thus, one could argue that Barks' unpublished family tree can safely be ignored.
Well, this is a bit hair-splitting, but since Barks said Scrooge is Donald's uncle on his mother side, then Barks' unvierse does include a character that is Scrooge's sister and Donald's mother: of course, her design and personality were created by Rosa, but giving her the name Hortense from the unpublished Barks tree, rather than ignoring it and coming up with a new name, increases the level of "barksianity" of her character rather than diminishing it.
Re: Mickey Mouse, I agree with Matilda that the Mouse universe and the Duck universe simply do not mix at all. Any story where Mickey and Donald meet or even mention each other instantly becomes "unreal" to me. I suppose as an occasional meta-joke, I can accept HD&L reading a Mickey Mouse comic or a scene with Goofy and Minnie playing on TV in the background of a Duck story, reinforcing the view that they are "fictional characters within a fictional universe" (as long as it's a throwaway gag and not a focus of the story) , but in my headcanon, Duckburg, Calisota and Mouseton, Pennecticut exist in parallel universes.
I also agree that it is better if the Duck universe and the Mouse universe are kept separate. And I hope the new DuckTales will do that, in order to follow what happens in most comics: fans of the crossovers already have countless animated shorts and tv series in which they interact, let's keep their trademark separation at least in a series that is based on Uncle Scrooge comics.
By the way, what is "Pennecticut"? A name appearing in some stories, or a fan-made name?
With regards to the phenomenon of "imprinting" in the development of individual headcanon, i.e., our tendency to accept ideas that we are exposed to early in our introduction to a franchise, I can attest to that personally with an example; as a child I read a Western story (not sure which one it was but I think it may have been drawn by Dick Moore) in which a guy thinks Goofy is a long-lost descendant of a royal family or some such, and Mickey mentions that Goofy has no family, is an orphan and "no one knows where he came from" (or something to that effect). A silly idea, I know, but for years I accepted that as canon and any story I read where a relative of Goofy's showed up, I'd say to myself, "doesn't this writer know Goofy is an orphan?" I've gotten over that but it took me a long time. (BTW, does anyone have any idea what story that might have been? Sorry that I remember so little about it.)
I don't know that story, but I can't help finding the concept of Goofy having no family very strange, since in Italy a running gag about him is that he has a very large family. I am not sure if this is an Italian idea or if it originated in the USA, but I remember a few Mickey Mouse newspaper comics in which we meet some Goofy relatives.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Jul 13, 2017 16:24:50 GMT
drakeborough said:
I think there's nothing wrong in using the expression "Barks universe" and "Barks/Rosa universe": the latter basically means "Rosa universe", but since most of Rosa's stories have the characters mentioning adventures they had in Barks stories, then it is not a bad idea to refer to "Rosa universe" as "Barks/Rosa universe", while still keeping the option of mentioning a "Barks universe" in which Rosa's stories didn't happen.
Some have said that using the term,"Barks/Rosa" universe unnecessarily hamstrings other authors, since it implies a continuity between Barks and Rosa universes that cannot be violated. As you say, "Barks/Rosa universe" is essentially "Rosa universe", so in my mind that would be a preferable term.
drakeborough said:
Well, this is a bit hair-splitting, but since Barks said Scrooge is Donald's uncle on his mother side, then Barks' unvierse does include a character that is Scrooge's sister and Donald's mother: of course, her design and personality were created by Rosa, but giving her the name Hortense from the unpublished Barks tree, rather than ignoring it and coming up with a new name, increases the level of "barksianity" of her character rather than diminishing it.
To play devil's advocate here, "uncle on my mother's side" could mean mother's brother, or mother's cousin, or mother's uncle. My point is that in his published stories, for the most part, Barks did not clarify the relationships between the Ducks (except Gladstone saying that Scrooge was his mother's brother's brother-in-law). So an author is free to create a different relationship between Scrooge and Donald, or between Grandma and Scrooge, and not violate anything Barks wrote. As to whether the unpublished Barks family tree is part of his "works" or not, that depends on whether you choose to invoke the "Word of God" clause, i.e., does anything Barks say anywhere, in any context, automatically become canon? Personally I like the family tree the way Barks unofficially outlined it, and am glad Rosa chose to use Barks' name for them, but I think to say authors who ignore it are less Barksian than Rosa would be unfair. It's an unpublished tree.
drakeborough said:
By the way, what is "Pennecticut"? A name appearing in some stories, or a fan-made name?
As far as I know it's fan-made and never been used in a story (yet), but it's in widespread enough unofficial use to merit mention on this wiki.
I think there's nothing wrong in using the expression "Barks universe" and "Barks/Rosa universe": the latter basically means "Rosa universe", but since most of Rosa's stories have the characters mentioning adventures they had in Barks stories, then it is not a bad idea to refer to "Rosa universe" as "Barks/Rosa universe", while still keeping the option of mentioning a "Barks universe" in which Rosa's stories didn't happen.
Some have said that using the term,"Barks/Rosa" universe unnecessarily hamstrings other authors, since it implies a continuity between Barks and Rosa universes that cannot be violated. As you say, "Barks/Rosa universe" is essentially "Rosa universe", so in my mind that would be a preferable term.
I wouldn't want to use the phrase "Barks/Rosa universe" to imply a continuity that should be enforced on anyone (or indeed, that Barks himself would approve of!). Rosa himself has consistently been clear that it's fine with him if other creators put things together in other ways. Or don't put things together at all (looking at you, Geradts!).
But to describe my own starting point, I have to say "Barks/Rosa," not just "Rosa." For one thing, there are a slew of Barksian characters (mostly from one-shots) who have achieved enduring reality in my headcanon who never showed up in a Rosa story: the Phantom of Notre Duck, Miss Penny Wise, Mr. Birdmind, etc. For another thing, I had a whole Barksian "real" Duckiverse inside my head long before Rosa starting publishing Duck stories. I came largely to accept Rosa's family tree, his timeline and his Life & Times history, plus some characters he added to the world. So now it's a Barks/Rosa Duckiverse, with additional characters and stories from other creators which seem to fit into that world from my POV. (Even the pre-Rosa Barksian Duckiverse in my head had characters and stories from a few other creators: Jeb and Zeb Clinker (Fallberg), for instance, and the flying-carpets-from-the-wool-of-flying-goats story (Fallberg), Ludwig Von Drake and Madam Mim.)
Just curious, Baar Baar Jinx--would you say that Dickie Duck is compatible with Rosa canon as Goldie and Scrooge's grandchild, or as Goldie's grandchild via some later marriage or liaison?
By "compatible with Rosa canon", I mean that a character's existence and relationship with pre-existing characters, as presented, does not violate Rosa's works or published family tree ... so from that perspective, I guess both scenarios are compatible. Especially since Rosa has stated that he intended for the infamous "melting snow on the rooftop" scene in "Prisoner of White Agony Creek" to mean that Dickie Duck could indeed be a descendant of Scrooge. I don't accept Dickie Duck as part of my headcanon, but if I was forced to choose, I'd vastly prefer that Dickie Duck not be Scrooge's grandchild.
Where did Rosa say that the "melting snow" scene was meant to allow for Dickie Duck's existence? I know he said it was meant to imply they had sex, but I'm not aware of his saying anything specifically about Dickie.
It's hard for me to see how the denouement of "A Little Something Special" could read the same if Dickie were in Duckburg, or if Scrooge knew of her existence. That's so for me whether Dickie is Scrooge's granddaughter or not. I suppose one could say that Dickie hadn't arrived yet.... But overall, I feel that Goldie's having a granddaughter somewhat interferes with Rosarian Scrooge's idealization of his memory of her (shrine and all!).
By "compatible with Rosa canon", I mean that a character's existence and relationship with pre-existing characters, as presented, does not violate Rosa's works or published family tree ... so from that perspective, I guess both scenarios are compatible. Especially since Rosa has stated that he intended for the infamous "melting snow on the rooftop" scene in "Prisoner of White Agony Creek" to mean that Dickie Duck could indeed be a descendant of Scrooge. I don't accept Dickie Duck as part of my headcanon, but if I was forced to choose, I'd vastly prefer that Dickie Duck not be Scrooge's grandchild.
Where did Rosa say that the "melting snow" scene was meant to allow for Dickie Duck's existence? I know he said it was meant to imply they had sex, but I'm not aware of his saying anything specifically about Dickie.
It's hard for me to see how the denouement of "A Little Something Special" could read the same if Dickie were in Duckburg, or if Scrooge knew of her existence. That's so for me whether Dickie is Scrooge's granddaughter or not. I suppose one could say that Dickie hadn't arrived yet.... But overall, I feel that Goldie's having a granddaughter somewhat interferes with Rosarian Scrooge's idealization of his memory of her (shrine and all!).
While your "shrine" point makes sense, I think Baar Baar simply means that Rosa-canonically, Scrooge and Goldie did do the thing in the cabin, meaning it's not logically impossible that Goldie could have borne a child of Scrooge's, which it would be if Rosa had gone on record saying they didn't. That's not to say that he said anything whatsoever about Dickie in particular.