Then of course there's the question of where DoubleDuck fits in (they're having a crossover of DoubleDuck and PKNA Duck Avenger!), and whether the stories of, IIRC, PK Universe (I think that was the title?) where it's the events of PKNA but with the "normal continuity" Duck Avenger (ie Gyro's gadgets, etc, but still vs the aliens) are literally meant to be the "normal continuity" version of the PKNA events or not.
DoubleDuck fits after PK2. It's currently going parallel with PKNE. Donald simply keeps identities separated as possible. Please note PIA stories are in-continuity now! Thrice the secret identity!
Universo PK is a parallel universe- That's it... unless the multiversal collapse that happened is ever going to have ramifications. When in doubt, blame Franklin Richards.
Remember: there isn't a "main" continuity in Italian stories. Basically every story is by itself, unless the author refers to others.
Remember: there isn't a "main" continuity in Italian stories. Basically every story is by itself, unless the author refers to others.
Isn't this true for pretty much every Disney comic that doesn't have the name Don Rosa on it? Apart from occasional Barks references and characters, continuity isn't really a thing that happens in Disney comics, is it?
Last Edit: May 18, 2016 18:32:22 GMT by That Duckfan
Then of course there's the question of where DoubleDuck fits in (they're having a crossover of DoubleDuck and PKNA Duck Avenger!), and whether the stories of, IIRC, PK Universe (I think that was the title?) where it's the events of PKNA but with the "normal continuity" Duck Avenger (ie Gyro's gadgets, etc, but still vs the aliens) are literally meant to be the "normal continuity" version of the PKNA events or not.
DoubleDuck fits after PK2. It's currently going parallel with PKNE. Donald simply keeps identities separated as possible. Please note PIA stories are in-continuity now! Thrice the secret identity!
Universo PK is a parallel universe- That's it... unless the multiversal collapse that happened is ever going to have ramifications. When in doubt, blame Franklin Richards.
Remember: there isn't a "main" continuity in Italian stories. Basically every story is by itself, unless the author refers to others.
Sure, but at the same time, a few like PKNA are explicitly made into separate continuities. I suppose by "main" continuity I just mean the usual carefree no-regards-to-continuity main world of the duck comics, and I always thought DoubleDuck was meant to be part of that, just like the original Duck Avenger, I suppose since the tone was closer to that than to PKNA.
On the other hand, Universo PK, which to me feels like it'd be an obvious shoe-in to "this is what happened to the "normal" Duck Avenger instead of the PKNA stuff", is explicitly said to not be the "normal" Duck Avenger? That feels to me as missed an opportunity as the Bay Port stories having Moby Duck and "Paper Hoog" instead of Moby Duck and Fethry.
Remember: there isn't a "main" continuity in Italian stories. Basically every story is by itself, unless the author refers to others.
Isn't this true for pretty much every Disney comic that doesn't have the name Don Rosa on it? Apart from occasional Barks references and characters, continuity isn't really a thing that happens in Disney comics, is it?
It can, but normally it's specific separate spinoff things. X-Mickey stories are all in continuity within themselves, Wizards of Mickey, etc.
This is interesting news! I’m mostly curious about how the American market is going to react to this series. Even if the two series are quite different, PKNA could be seen as a competitor to the Darkwing Duck series from Joe Books. In my opinion PKNA (both writing and art) is in another league compared to the new Darkwing Duck stories, but DW on the other hand have a lot of old fans from the tv-series and people actually know who the character is. So it will be interesting comparing sales for the two series.
I’m also wondering if this is going to be a monthly series. If it’s going to be a success they can’t wait too long between each issue I think. Like Papercutz doing an X-Mickey issue once a year is just stupid, no one is going to get into the series then.
If this is going to be a monthly series Jonathan Gray is going to have a lot of work to do, so he might have to share the translation job with someone else. If so I hope they do the translation work in the same style. Reading the regular IDW titles it’s easy to spot different translation styles, and that works fine as it is a mix of different types of stories. But for a series like PKNA it’s probably best if the same person/team do all the work.
Lastly, I hope IDW keep strictly to the original Italian chronology and don’t cut any of the short stories. That’s the only way I want to read this series.
Yeah, my first question: is this going to be a monthly series. My second question: is every issue going to include an entire PKNA story for five dollars? 'Cause that would be AMAZING, but if that's economically feasible, then how come the other titles aren't either longer or cheaper? Third question: is this going to be uncensored? Given how ridiculously hypersensitive Disney is about the regular titles (making IDW edit out guns etc), it's hard to see how the (comparatively) violent PKNA stuff is going to fly. Well, okay, "aimed at an older audience," I suppose. I wonder how that works, though. I have to assume that this'll be mentioned on the back page of the other titles and vice versa, and it's hard to see how you can separate them like that. Can we assume that this represents a general thawing of Disney's censorship standards? NO. No, we cannot.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on May 18, 2016 19:51:29 GMT
My favorite name for the Duck Avnger is Phantom Duck (since it allows one to still use the initials "PK"). Though yes, there is a certain charmingness to "Super Donald" in the way That Duckfan described; about the two possibilities (either Super Donald or a name like Phantomius), you can have it both ways, actually, as in French, where we have "Phantomiald" (Phantomius + Donald).
Also, about the continuity stuff, I don't personally regard the two as separate continuities. Part of the time Donald "duckavengers" with Gyro's gadgets, and sometimes with One's. I don't really know if the two (Gyro and One) are aware of each other's existence, but I see no real contradiction that would stop them from being set in the same continuity.
In the Dutch edition, the PKNA adventures were explicitly set in 2020, or as it was then known, The Future. (After all, it was first published in the late 90s.) I don't know if it was the same in the original. To me, that sort of explained why there were so few other Disney characters (apart from Donald and Scrooge I think everybody else is new), and why the technology is all so futuristic.
I assume that when the American edition hits the stands, the story will have been updated to 2040.
No mention of such in the Portuguese version, which I'm trusting is a faithful translation as per tradition over here, so I'm guessing no indication of it in Italy either.
In the Dutch edition, the PKNA adventures were explicitly set in 2020, or as it was then known, The Future. (After all, it was first published in the late 90s.) I don't know if it was the same in the original. To me, that sort of explained why there were so few other Disney characters (apart from Donald and Scrooge I think everybody else is new), and why the technology is all so futuristic.
I assume that when the American edition hits the stands, the story will have been updated to 2040.
Hmm... That's sounds really interesting for the Dutch edition of PKNA but we don't really know if the American editors will change the year from 2020 to 2040 (only if that was from the original Italian version). TheKKM confirmed that's this "PKNA set in the future" was not in the Portuguese version of PKNA. Maybe did the Dutch editors made this up?
Thank you, Sirtao and Jubalpomp and TheKKM for the responses--special thanks to TheKKM for your clarity (and for saying "Martina/Penna" ). I think I can keep *three* versions of Duck Avenger straight in my head. Everyday-world Duck Avenger (Duck Avenger in Duckburg As We Know It), PKNA Duck Avenger (Duck Avenger in Spaaaaaace!), and Pikappa aka Super Duck. I will ignore PK Universe and other Italian complications to keep my head from exploding like Debbie's.
I am curious to see in what ways the PKNA stories are more "adult" or "serious" or "dark" in tone than the Disney comics I'm used to. Also, like GeoX, curious to see where The Corporate Mouse will come down on the censorship front. Is it possible that the PKNA books will get a T rating rather than an all-ages rating, and would that make any difference to The Mouse's need to censor? Or will it turn out that science fiction-y weapons are OK, while realistic guns are not?
It's quite difficult to explain, also because I didn't understand it well too
Actually...
In 1969, Guido Martina created Paperinik, that's Donald as an avenging thief. In the last 1970s, Giorgio Pezzin makes Paperinik more and more hero. In the 80s, Paperinik become a standard character, and he's the caricature of a superhero. Lucio Leoni, in the early 1990s, between many stories in which Paperinik is a caricature by other authors, writes and draws storie in wich Paperinik is an ACTUAL superhero.
Then, in 1996, Alessandro Sisti and Ezio Sisto create the issue "Paperinik New Adventures #0", where Paperinik knows the IA Uno, the timepolicegirl from the 23rd century Lyla, and the Evronians. It goes on, and last with the number 49. After a month, there's no more "Paperinik New Adventures", but a new comic called Pk². It's quite the same thing, but there are new characters and it's more "adult" (in fact, it isn't so true; but it is completely an other thing than comics on Topolino in the same time). It doesn't sell so well (maybe because it's too different to comics on Topolino), and at number 18 it ends, with many unanswered questions. After a month, there is no PKNA and no PK². There's PK-Pikappa. It's quite a reboot of PkNA, because there are the Evronians, there's Uno, there's Lyla Lay. But there are new origins, the 1969 Martina story is not still valid. Pk-Pikappa #1 is a new origin story for Paperinik. It's certainly more kidfriendly than PK², and also than PKNA. It lasts 32 issues, and ends with "The End?". ...No, it isn't the end. On Topolino and on a monthly comic called Paperinik, there were new Paperinik stories, but they weren't in continuity with PKNA, PK² or Pk-Pikappa. They were like the Paperinik stories in the eighties and early nineties, more or less. Then, in 2014, on Topolino there was a story called "Pk: Potere e Potenza", by Francesco Artibani and Lorenzo Pastrovicchio, two of the main authors in PKNA and PK². It's actually the sequel of all that two series. Then, there was "Pk: Gli argini del tempo" by Alessandro Sisti and Claudio Sciarrone, two other main authors in PKNA and PK², and then other stories (always by Artibani and Sisti).
In the meanwhile, there still are other stories with the Paperinik there was in the eighties, on the comic books Topolino and Paperinik.
That's interesting, because one of the criticisms in the Netherlands of the Paperinik New Adventures stories (called Duck Power over here) was already that they were too different and too "adult". And I hadn't even heard of PK2. Looks very interesting! (However, the Duck Power series didn't reprint all of the Italian stories. For some reason, they skipped an issue or two every time! How confusing! coa.inducks.org/publication.php?c=nl/DPOWER)
Update! There's a new collection of PKNA adventures out in the Netherlands, it came out like two weeks ago, and it does have all the stories from the very beginning! It's strange, because I've only got the second and fourth stories. Well, I guess I know what I'm buying.
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That's great to hear about that, Duckfan! Does it include the stories that the Dutch editors have skipped or it only include the stories that were published on the old Duck Power magazine?
That's great to hear about that, Duckfan! Does it include the stories that the Dutch editors have skipped or it only include the stories that were published on the old Duck Power magazine?
Well, the former, which is why I'm so happy about it. So in the old series, they published the stories from issues 02, 1, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10. In the new book, they printed the stories from issues 00, 02, 03, 1, and 2. So that's the right way. The stories also have new titles, but I'm not sure why. Maybe they re-translated them by accident? Or they lost the original translations? The originals were made in 1997...
Last Edit: May 18, 2016 22:33:07 GMT by That Duckfan
That's great to hear about that, Duckfan! Does it include the stories that the Dutch editors have skipped or it only include the stories that were published on the old Duck Power magazine?
Well, the former, which is why I'm so happy about it. So in the old series, they published the stories from issues 02, 1, 5, 7, 8, 9, and 10. In the new book, they printed the stories from issues 00, 02, 03, 1, and 2. So that's the right way. The stories also have new titles, but I'm not sure why. Maybe they re-translated them by accident? Or they lost the original translations? The originals were made in 1997...
OK, thanks for replying me, Duckfan. It's interesting to see that they didn't skip any issues in this new magazine. It's too bad that in the old magazine, they skipped 00, 03, 2, 3, 4 and 6. I don't know if they re-translated them or they lost the original translations. Maybe the new dutch translators who translated the stories from this new magazine didn't know that the old dutch translations of PKNA existed.
According to twitter coments by Gray, he plan on doing the translation/dialogue for the entire series. And he sounds really excited about it, being a big fan of the series.