This one had much more funny gags and action, even if the plot was very simple.
I like the godess. She plays the straight man to Caballeros much more cartoonish antics but she also has plenty of funny lines and moments.
I like dynamic between Caballeros. It's so refreshing to see show where main leads are so darn nice and complementary to each other. Once a while one will say or do something that will make the other two roll they eyes but they never act mean spirited towards each other.
And unlike Rosa comics there is (so far) no "Donald will do something by accident and the rest will congratulate him unaware it wasn't intentional" running gag. Here it's Donald's quick wit that's save the day and the rest just play along.
Panchito is mostly played as happy-go-lucky yokel (not very bright but very charismatic) but I like him so far.
There is a running gag with Jose trying to show some sort of knowlage (historical, language skills) but geting things wrong which back-fires on him. I wonder is it just a running gag in this episode or will it play a bigger part in future episodes.
April, May and June don't live much of impression so far and fell unnecessary but agian, maybe they just seting them up for future episode.
Last Edit: Jun 26, 2018 22:44:03 GMT by Pan Maciej
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Man, I love this already. Finally, finally, FINALLY some on-model, polished animation, and not that angular "hip"/"edgy" stuff, and finally some proper coloring, too.
Though I do like Legend's style better at the end of the day, I don't believ DT17 is trying to be "edgy" and "hip" with its style; it's meant to be a throwback to the angular Disney animation of the 60's (think 101 Dalmatians), with Milt Kahl's work on Ludwig von Drake as the template. And while I prefer the style of Legend, at least DT17 has actual hand-drawn animation rather than ToonBoom. Even if I'll admit Legend's use of ToonBoom is the most masterful I've seen, hand-drawn is just a more artful medium with more possibilities, and within the style they have to work in, DT17's animators are doing a smashing job.
Concerning the sarcasm… I think there should be a happy middle ground (Don Rosa often found it). DT17 is so meta and self-aware you lose interest in the adventures sometimes, but from what I've seen Legend plays even the most direly clichéd tropes completely straight (hello Super Evil Overlord Sealed In A Canon, been a while, I didn't miss you). Legend is fine as a show for younger viewers, and it's clearly meant as such, but that means it loses a bit of its appeal to a more mature audience.
Man, I love this already. Finally, finally, FINALLY some on-model, polished animation, and not that angular "hip"/"edgy" stuff, and finally some proper coloring, too.
Though I do like Legend's style better at the end of the day, I don't believ DT17 is trying to be "edgy" and "hip" with its style; it's meant to be a throwback to the angular Disney animation of the 60's (think 101 Dalmatians), with Milt Kahl's work on Ludwig von Drake as the template.
Well, I think they're doing a pretty lousy job of it. It always kinda bugs me when the show's creators claim that the reason it looks so off is because it's "based on Barks' style/Milt Kahl's style", as if so say "well if you think this looks bad, don't blame us! Blame these guys!". I mean, come on, DT'17's artstyle doesn't resemble either Barks or Kahl's work in the slightest. It's more Gravity Falls/every modern cartoon style than anything else.
(Also, Ludwig's design (angular beak) was created specifically for Ludwig. Kahl and his Peers Drew other ducks during this time period in the same style as always (e.g. "Inside Donald Duck", where they both appear)
Anyway, I also like that we're finally getting some Donald with actual screen time now. The idea of reducing Donald to a sideline character and robbing him of his traditional colors and personality in order to make a kids show look more "mature" is what seems to bug a lot of other DT'17 viewers too. DT'17 writers seem to think of Donald as a burden and not an opportunity for great storylines.
Also something I realized watching this is that DT'17 has WAYYYY too many main characters. Watching 3Caballeros, it's a nice change to be able to get to know each character and not have 1001 things hastily crammed into one episode.
Also something I realized watching this is that DT'17 has WAYYYY too many main characters. Watching 3Caballeros, it's a nice change to be able to get to know each character and not have 1001 things hastily crammed into one episode.
And what I realized watching The Three Caballeros is that DT'17 has way to much talking. This show is much more visual/cartoon humor base and even when we have dialog it usualy stage in a funny way.
Can we all agree that a slapstick base show like this fits more Donald, then something more character/story-line base like DT'17?
Let's just imagine (do to lack of HD&L) that this show is what Donald is doing when HD&L are adventuring with Scrooge, Webby and Lunchpad in DT'17? Just make a leap that there is a subplot with Donald geting a new house... that sadly burn to the ground... and now is haning out with Jose and Panchito having adventures?
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Also something I realized watching this is that DT'17 has WAYYYY too many main characters. Watching 3Caballeros, it's a nice change to be able to get to know each character and not have 1001 things hastily crammed into one episode.
And what I realized watching The Three Caballeros is that DT'17 has way to much talking. This show is much more visual/cartoon humor base and even when we have dialog it usualy stage in a funny way.
Can we all agree that a slapstick base show like this fits more Donald, then something more character/story-line base like DT'17?
Let's just imagine (do to lack of HD&L) that this show is what Donald is doing when HD&L are adventuring with Scrooge, Webby and Lunchpad in DT'17? Just make a leap that there is a subplot with Donald geting a new house... that sadly burn to the ground... and now is haning out with Jose and Panchito having adventures?
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I think in the end DT'17's writers just don't really know what to do with Donald. They used him as a major marketing ploy to trick more viewers into watching the show, and now that they've established him as a "main character", they got themselves into a situation where they have to find excuses for why Donald is hardly ever there because they just don't know how to write him well. Might as well have had him join the Navy...
Also...can i just say how refreshing it is to have AMJ instead of HDL on this show? I guess it was done to solve the issue of lack of female characters, I must say I would have never thought of it, but it's pretty clever. They're solving the "Smurfette effect" a lot better than DT'17, if I can just make one last comparison to that show Also a good way to firmly distinguish itself from DT'17, which is overall very nephew-centric so far.
Last Edit: Jun 27, 2018 0:01:04 GMT by Scroogerello
If someone here is in a position to ask someone who's seen the show any questions, here's what I'd like to know:
Is Clinton Coot explicitly identified as Donald's great grandfather, or just an ancestor?
Does Grandma appear at all?
Does Scrooge appear beyond the two second cameo, and is Duckburg as a city ever referenced?
I know that the answer to the first two is probably no.
(BTW, that "evil wizard" looking like Goostave Gander is a connection I'm surprised I and apparently no one else on this thread made!)
I asked the owner of the holisticvolunteer.tumblr.com/ account the first two questions. For the first one, Clinton Coot is identified as Donald's great-grandfather. And for the second, no, Grandma doesn't appear. I have yet to ask the third question.
Eh. In hindsight there is a certain resemblance (face structure, expression, hairstyle), but the beaks are rather different (not that the show seems to care about that too much, I mean goddammit, Clinton Coot is a coot, not a duck, therefore is beak is pointy like Cornelius's), and Goosetave has neither the Salvador-Dali-esque mustache nor the beady purple eyes of Von Sheldrake. The Baron also lacks Goosetave's mole and monocle.
I'm still not convinced that Goostave didn't inspire Von Shelgoose's design. The producers were probably looking at Rosa's tree to design Clinton Coot, then saw Goostave and said, let's just base Von Shelgoose off this guy who's never been used before.
Having had the opportunity to watch the first two episodes, my impression is that LTC respects its source material more, and attempts to remain true to its spirit, whereas DuckTales '17 takes a more satirical, tongue-in-cheek approach to its universe. Given that they deal with similar characters and situations, LTC is the adventure series we all thought DuckTales '17 would be, while DuckTales '17 is far more sitcom-y and tries to be edgy, modern and irreverent. The character redesigns in DuckTales '17 are part of this overall attitude; the idea that they were inspired by Milt Kahl came much later. LTC has, on the other hand, tried to stay faithful to the characters' original iterations (at least visually; their personalities seem to be still in development, although admittedly neither José nor Panchito had much character development in the original movies). Both shows are their own distinct alternate universes and don't mesh very well with the comics-universe or their original sources (The Three Caballeros movie and DuckTales '87 respectively). But I have to admit I'm enjoying LTC more than I thought I would, and the unexpected tie-ins to Rosa's comics are a pleasant surprise, small as they may be. I get the feeling Rosa would like this show better than he liked either of the two DuckTales series. And AM&J are welcome additions; true, they seem superfluous at this stage, but they have a blasé, detached demeanor that wouldn't have suited HD&L but somehow works for them. Donald's not being able to tell them apart seems like a comedic reference to how he's able to tell his identical triplet nephews apart without difficulty (despite their non-existence on this show, most Duck fans will probably get the joke).
Having had the opportunity to watch the first two episodes, my impression is that LTC respects its source material more, and attempts to remain true to its spirit, whereas DuckTales '17 takes a more satirical, tongue-in-cheek approach to its universe. Given that they deal with similar characters and situations, LTC is the adventure series we all thought DuckTales '17 would be, while DuckTales '17 is far more sitcom-y and tries to be edgy, modern and irreverent. The character redesigns in DuckTales '17 are part of this overall attitude; the idea that they were inspired by Milt Kahl came much later. LTC has, on the other hand, tried to stay faithful to the characters' original iterations (at least visually; their personalities seem to be still in development, although admittedly neither José nor Panchito had much character development in the original movies). Both shows are their own distinct alternate universes and don't mesh very well with the comics-universe or their original sources (The Three Caballeros movie and DuckTales '87 respectively). But I have to admit I'm enjoying LTC more than I thought I would, and the unexpected tie-ins to Rosa's comics are a pleasant surprise, small as they may be. I get the feeling Rosa would like this show better than he liked either of the two DuckTales series. And AM&J are welcome additions; true, they seem superfluous at this stage, but they have a blasé, detached demeanor that wouldn't have suited HD&L but somehow works for them. Donald's not being able to tell them apart seems like a comedic reference to how he's able to tell his identical triplet nephews apart without difficulty (despite their non-existence on this show, most Duck fans will probably get the joke).
This is *so* encouraging to hear, especially from you, Baar Baar Jinx. Yeah, that's the main thing I'm hoping for: fun Duck adventures, not constantly undercut because "we're above all that sort of thing." If LTC turns out to be the adventure series I thought New DuckTales would be, I'll be very happy with it. I don't expect any cartoon series to fit seamlessly with my comics headcanon, but I'll be satisfied if it feels true to the spirit of the best Duck comics/cartoons.
Anyway, I also like that we're finally getting some Donald with actual screen time now. The idea of reducing Donald to a sideline character and robbing him of his traditional colors and personality in order to make a kids show look more "mature" is what seems to bug a lot of other DT'17 viewers too. DT'17 writers seem to think of Donald as a burden and not an opportunity for great storylines.
Also something I realized watching this is that DT'17 has WAYYYY too many main characters. Watching 3Caballeros, it's a nice change to be able to get to know each character and not have 1001 things hastily crammed into one episode.
Definitely, New DuckTales has way too many continuing characters in the cast. Maybe if they had hour-long shows, they could handle the crowd better... It's one of the reasons Donald doesn't have enough to do.
I think Caballeros work better becouse it focus on telling a fun story that so happen to have one or two easter eggs for the fans, while the new Duck Tales tries way to hard with fan-service (I mean even the intro is bunch of Barks paitings)
I still like new Duck Tales a lot, it's just so far I watch Legend of Caballeros and is please despite it being much more simple cartoon while with most Duck Tales episode I endup going - That was good... I just wish they would change this, this and this.
Maybe becouse Caballeros is just Donald and two friends, while Duck Tales has so much (characters, arcs) going on. It's more easy to have one element and make it good and focus when you have dosens of them.
April, May and June so far have those "I'm so Meh about everything" personalites but I don't find them annoying so far.
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New ducktales doesn't really get swamped with fanservice, just with surface references. Shove visual quotes to barks as often as you can (and as pointed out shift any blame for your choices into barks) while not using much or any of the underlying spirit or characters.
Everything points to this being the show I wanted a new Ducktales to be, yes.
Can we all agree that a slapstick base show like this fits more Donald, then something more character/story-line base like DT'17?
True, but DT17 isn't about Donald. Though they relegate him to the sidelines more than they should, there was never any question that Donald was a deuteragonist, and the show is primarily about Scrooge and the triplets. Scrooge is not mainly a slapstick character.
Let's just imagine (do to lack of HD&L) that this show is what Donald is doing when HD&L are adventuring with Scrooge, Webby and Lunchpad in DT'17? Just make a leap that there is a subplot with Donald geting a new house... that sadly burn to the ground... and now is haning out with Jose and Panchito having adventures?
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Eh. For one thing, it's possible that DuckTales 2017 may yet have its own Three Caballeros episode, which would probably be incompatible with this theory. But anyway, everything about Legend save for the nephews' absence seems to place it in the Prime Universe, as opposed to the 2017 Continuum (these being our Wiki designations for the classic universe and that of the reboot, respectively).
Personally I'm pretending it takes place in the 1940's as a prequel to the original Three Caballeros film, and that HDL were spending the holidays at Grandma's when Donald's house burned down or something. Somewhere off-screen, he phoned or wrote Grandma to tell her to keep the kids a little longer while he found a new stable home for himself; and presumably, as he begins to go on crazy adventures with José and Panchito following Dope-A-Cabana, he'll keep pushing back their return because he doesn't want to get them mixed up in this increasingly dangerous business.
Ah! We are in ancient astronauts territory now! Erich von Däniken would be proud...
The humor get a bit more self-ironic in this (jokes that make fun of tropes) but I don't complain as it's still very, very funny.
So many great lines! I love when Donald looks at ancient hieroglyphs and reacts "What's that? Italian?" or
Panchito - Lady, you're the man! Xandra - Not sure how I feel about that...
In fact Xandra is as funny as the guys. I think it's way to easy (and to often) that character like she is made into so called "Mary Sue" (read - to perfect/flawless/"badass in every way"). It's what some people hated about Ray from New "Star wars" movies, Gamora from "Guardains of the Galaxy" or even Wonder Woman. Here while still badass, inteligent and cool warrior, she get's few moments of clumsynes, being a fish-out-water and has some very great over the top ractions. As well some very funy lines. BTW - The timing on all the actors lines is just perfect and works great for comedy.
The whole "You must learn how to work together!" thing felt more as a joke then actual arc for the Caballeros... There is so much clever stuff here, I'm ready to belive it was intentional.
From what I udnerstand April, May and June role in the show will be comunicating guys by magic Mirror (the Beauty and the Beast wifi) and giving them information they need. I'm fine with that.
The villians are just ok but we see how they will play with them in the future episodes.
Instead of Huey, Dewey and Louie with the Junior Woodchucks guidebook, they have April, May and June with a magic mirror and the internet, and I think that's kinda funny.