Good stories about Daisy interacting with Scrooge

[Orora]

Do you remember some nice stories which are focused on Daisy interacting with Scrooge?

Despite them being quite big characters, I have a hard time remembering stories which are about the two of them.

I know there are Brazilian-made stories where she directly works for Scrooge, but even there, I don't remember her interacting much with him.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

There's Himalayan Hideout which IDW printed, also recently printed in the French Super Picsou Géant. 

[Matilda]

Yes, Himalayan Hideout is the stand-out, here. I haven't read any of the Brazilian stories where Daisy, Donald and Fethry work for Scrooge's newspaper, so I don't know whether there are stories in that series where Daisy interacts a lot directly with Scrooge. In A Páscoa É Nossa, Daisy interacts with Scrooge in a combative way: he's cornered the market for Easter candy, she gathers the gang to make their own, Scrooge snoops around and accidentally spills soap in the chocolate, leading to large chocolatey soap bubbles floating through Daisy's neighborhood to rather chaotic effect, Daisy exposes Scrooge's meddling and bests him in the end. It's one of my very favorite Daisy stories. In Faria's Babá De Caixa-Forte, Daisy guards the bin while Scrooge is away. She interacts with him only at the beginning and end of the story; in between she's fending off Magica and the Beagle Boys. In the French version, at least, Daisy refers to Scrooge as her uncle, indicating "he's lucky to be my uncle, or else..." she wouldn't agree to do this. That goes beyond Daisy just calling him "Uncle Scrooge," the way everyone calls Elvira "Grandma"--I don't know whether that's an accurate translation, and if so, whether Brazilians in general thought Daisy was Scrooge's niece. Or did they just think Donald and Daisy were virtually married, so Scrooge was sort of her uncle-in-law?

[Monkey_Feyerabend]

Any thoughts about Hymalayan Hideout? Is it worth a reading?

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Oh, definitely.

[Matilda]

Himalayan Hideout is, in my feminist opinion, the best Daisy story ever. (Followed by the Easter one I mention above and "Daringly Different".) I also love the art--it's as Inducks says an "irregular layout" and it's visually very interesting.

[Matilda]

There are also at least two of the Bob Gregory/Carl Barks "Daisy Duck's Diary" stories which have Daisy interacting with Scrooge.  Ruling the Roost has Scrooge's secretary Daisy running Scrooge's businesses while he is missing--she succeeds, but more or less despite herself, and she acts in very stereotypically "feminine" ways. Scrooge appears only at the end, but the interaction between them is crucial to the story. In The Librarian, assistant librarian Daisy handles the lion in the money bin with QUIET. Scrooge has tried more traditional methods of lion-taming, to no avail. The depiction of librarians as shushers is outdated, but the story is less gender-stereotyped than Ruling the Roost.

[Monkey_Feyerabend]

Ok, I read Hymalayan Hideout. Here are some thoughts.

The story. Although a bit better than the average Egmont story, the plot is not much. The way Magica pushes Scrooge into the hideout has nothing surprising or compelling. The final resolution sounds kinda standard, too. Also, I found a bit brutal the passage from Scrooge discovering that all his money is gone to being hopeless under a bridge.  

Daisy. The good part of the story is Daisy. I often think that she is a character under-used, or worst misused. I am convinced that there is room to create many stories with her as a protagonist, and if I were a Disney comics writer I would seriously reason about that. She always had a strong personality, and a certain vitality. Maybe this vitality can be declined in good ways.This story nails one of these ways very well: Daisy can bring a kind of disenchantment, which can resolve dangerous moments, or turn them into comic ones. A character with this feature can be a gold mine. I also think that Daisy is a good candidate for brief comic stories. She can take a gag, she can be clumsy in her peculiar way. I hope to see in the future stories exploiting this comic side too. 

The art. Rodriguez Peinardo's art does not excite me much, nor I dislike it. There are a few good Daisy's close-up's in this story, but in general I find the style a bit too anonymous, if you see what I mean.

The lay-out (with a digression). The untraditional (for standard Disney comics) lay-out is well exploited here, with the "background panels" used to highlight emotionally key-moments. However, in general I do not think that Disney comics need to convert to this "freer" lay-out. I like when the comic book free lay-out is used almost at his extremes to experiment, as the Italian did with PKNA (Duck Avengers New Adventures) and Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine in the late 90's. But as concerns the regular stories, I much prefer authors to work on a strict cage. Because the traditional strict lay-out is a key feature of Disney comics and a a good Disney comics writer should explore new ways to create humor and compelling storytelling within such a cage. Rosa was great in my view because he found his specific way within the strict cage, making it one of his strengths. Also, I associate the free lay-out to modern super-heroes stuff, a form of comics that I find very very low. I do not see why introducing the free lay-out in Disney regular comics now, it is not innovative at all. Anyhow, as far as I have seen Rodriguez Peinardo is the only one doing it for now, and without exaggeration, so I am fine with it. 

[Matilda]

Aug 29, 2018 11:27:24 GMT Monkey_Feyerabend said:

Ok, I read Hymalayan Hideout. Here are some thoughts.

The story. Although a bit better than the average Egmont story, the plot is not much. The way Magica pushes Scrooge into the hideout has nothing surprising or compelling. The final resolution sounds kinda standard, too. Also, I found a bit brutal the passage from Scrooge discovering that all his money is gone to being hopeless under a bridge.  

Daisy. The good part of the story is Daisy. I often think that she is a character under-used, or worst misused. I am convinced that there is room to create many stories with her as a protagonist, and if I were a Disney comics writer I would seriously reason about that. She always had a strong personality, and a certain vitality. Maybe this vitality can be declined in good ways.This story nails one of these ways very well: Daisy can bring a kind of disenchantment, which can resolve dangerous moments, or turn them into comic ones. A character with this feature can be a gold mine. I also think that Daisy is a good candidate for brief comic stories. She can take a gag, she can be clumsy in her peculiar way. I hope to see in the future stories exploiting this comic side too. 

The art. Rodriguez Peinardo's art does not excite me much, nor I dislike it. There are a few good Daisy's close-up's in this story, but in general I find the style a bit too anonymous, if you see what I mean.

The lay-out (with a digression). The untraditional (for standard Disney comics) lay-out is well exploited here, with the "background panels" used to highlight emotionally key-moments. However, in general I do not think that Disney comics need to convert to this "freer" lay-out. I like when the comic book free lay-out is used almost at his extremes to experiment, as the Italian did with PKNA (Duck Avengers New Adventures) and Mickey Mouse Mystery Magazine in the late 90's. But as concerns the regular stories, I much prefer authors to work on a strict cage. Because the traditional strict lay-out is a key feature of Disney comics and a a good Disney comics writer should explore new ways to create humor and compelling storytelling within such a cage. Rosa was great in my view because he found his specific way within the strict cage, making it one of his strengths. Also, I associate the free lay-out to modern super-heroes stuff, a form of comics that I find very very low. I do not see why introducing the free lay-out in Disney regular comics now, it is not innovative at all. Anyhow, as far as I have seen Rodriguez Peinardo is the only one doing it for now, and without exaggeration, so I am fine with it. 

So, I liked the plot better than you did. The scene with impoverished Scrooge under the bridge didn't strike me as brutal at all--just a typical "poor old man" lament, which doesn't even last a whole page. I found it funny when his "never ever see his beloved money again" was immediately followed by a bill falling on his eyes. One of the elements of Magica's scheme that seemed fresh to me was the way she created the conditions Scrooge & Daisy encountered by doing things near the crystal ball.

I agree with you about the use here of Daisy, and possible uses for her as a character. I like her no-nonsense approach here (Well! I like THAT talk!) and the fact that she's pretty unflappable--able to plan how to save the dime and themselves even under pressure. I like your word "disenchantment" for what she brings.

I agree that in general I don't think Disney comics should adopt the freer lay-out. But as an occasional thing it can be cool. Yes, I'm familiar with the free lay-out in contemporary superheroes comics, but that didn't function as a negative association for me as I read this story. I didn't feel like it was copying a lesser form. I just felt like it worked really well in this story. For one thing, it worked well with the plot element of how Magica created the conditions of their journey. The relationship between what Magica is doing next to the crystal ball and what Daisy & Scrooge are experiencing is more effectively shown in a free lay-out than it would be in a traditional lay-out, e.g. on p. 16 (candle and yeti). Also, on the art: p. 19, with its traditional lay-out, is my favorite *page* of Magica art ever. I really like the dramatic progression of the second and third tiers: the Magica with her cloak covering her beak, the Magica silhouettes, the tiny Magica to show the size of the temple entrance. I also really liked the large aerial views of Duckburg at the beginning and the end of the story, especially that on the first page, complete with the bin, the Coot statue, Mount Demontooth, and the river/harbor. It would have been hard to show all that in a traditional lay-out, even in a splash panel.

[Monkey_Feyerabend]

I agree with you on almost everything. I did not find "brutal" the image of Scrooge under a bridge. That is a classic situation, and was well-portrayed here with the dollar falling on Scrooge face. I found "brutal" the transition from when he discovers that the money is gone to when Daisy discovers that the money bin is completely abandoned. It felt like something in the middle should have been shown.

[Matilda]

Just read another Scrooge & Daisy story: Andreas Pihl's A Heart-Sized Ruby. Scrooge takes Daisy along on a trip to a jungle, more or less as camouflage--he's going to seek a large ruby found some time ago by a miner he financed, but is pretending it's just a camping trip with Daisy, who wants to go on a "photo safari". The Beagles see through the camouflage and follow, and Daisy must eventually save Scrooge and the miner from the Beagles. A nice Daisy story, and it's notable that she uses the camera flash as a "weapon," as she does in "Himalayan Hideout". The story presents Daisy as Scrooge's niece throughout, and in a way that doesn't seem to fit with her just being his nephew's significant other. So I will have to mentally rewrite that aspect (easy enough to do, in my opinion) in order to ensconce the story in my headcanon. Anyway, thought I'd resurrect this thread as it is one of those rare stories where Daisy interacts with Scrooge without any others from the central cast around.

[xanderares]

Feb 21, 2019 1:50:27 GMT Matilda said:

Just read another Scrooge & Daisy story: Andreas Pihl's A Heart-Sized Ruby. Scrooge takes Daisy along on a trip to a jungle, more or less as camouflage--he's going to seek a large ruby found some time ago by a miner he financed, but is pretending it's just a camping trip with Daisy, who wants to go on a "photo safari". The Beagles see through the camouflage and follow, and Daisy must eventually save Scrooge and the miner from the Beagles. A nice Daisy story, and it's notable that she uses the camera flash as a "weapon," as she does in "Himalayan Hideout". The story presents Daisy as Scrooge's niece throughout, and in a way that doesn't seem to fit with her just being his nephew's significant other. So I will have to mentally rewrite that aspect (easy enough to do, in my opinion) in order to ensconce the story in my headcanon. Anyway, thought I'd resurrect this thread as it is one of those rare stories where Daisy interacts with Scrooge without any others from the central cast around.

If you think about it, Scrooge treats his nephews as people who are not even his real relatives, such as Fethry and Dugan, so it must be more a cultural factor than the relationship between uncle and nephew can be established more for personal knowledge than blood in Duckburg.

[Matilda]

True that. Though I suppose, if Daisy and Scrooge are *not* blood relatives, there could be something a bit dicey about his going on a camping trip into the jungle with her alone. They are not aware that the Beagle Boys are serving as chaperones!