Ah, thanks. I had only read that story in German, so though she *is* referred to as "Mathilde" there, I didn't assume that she was "Matilda" in English (and then forgot all about it). It looks like Barks scribbled his first Duck family tree before he wrote this story...probably he didn't even remember that in that tree he had given Donald an Aunt Matilda. Or if he did, he didn't care; it's not the sort of thing Barks cared about. After all, Donald's "Aunt Matilda" hadn't even been mentioned in a story, right?
Ah, thanks. I had only read that story in German, so though she *is* referred to as "Mathilde" there, I didn't assume that she was "Matilda" in English (and then forgot all about it). It looks like Barks scribbled his first Duck family tree before he wrote this story...probably he didn't even remember that in that tree he had given Donald an Aunt Matilda. Or if he did, he didn't care; it's not the sort of thing Barks cared about. After all, Donald's "Aunt Matilda" hadn't even been mentioned in a story, right?
Would be a bit of coincidence, that, if true. I personally always assumed the exact opposite — that it was a faint memory of having created an Aunt Matilda in Losing Face that led to him calling Donald's aunt that in the Family Tree, in much the same way that he appears to have created Scrooge's father "Scotty" from a faint memory of Scottie McTerrier in The Old Castle's Secret and his sister Thelma Duck from vague recollections of a sister Della Duck.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Sept 8, 2019 10:57:37 GMT
She's from Guido Martina's novel version of Scrooge's life story (hah, betcha you want to read that, now! well, sorry, but it only exists in Italian…), where Scrooge is said to have been orphaned at a young age and raised by his street-wise Grandma Jenny, who taught him all about being foxy and getting rich off the rubes. Charming, if irreconciliable with Rosa; it definitely fits better as the backstory of Martina's Scrooge than it does the "made it square" standard Barksian Scrooge. At any rate, having more human-like proportions than the McDuck side of the family, she fits rather well as the mother of Downy from a design perspective, so even if the specifics of her raising Scrooge must be voided, I treat her as Scrooge's maternal grandmother. (source 1 for all of this)(other source featuring scans)
Aah, thanks Scrooge! How odd, I thought I searched the wikis and didn't find anything! Oh well! The Picsou Wiki must be where I learned about her in the first place. That was years ago so I didn't remember!
Ah, thanks. I had only read that story in German, so though she *is* referred to as "Mathilde" there, I didn't assume that she was "Matilda" in English (and then forgot all about it). It looks like Barks scribbled his first Duck family tree before he wrote this story...probably he didn't even remember that in that tree he had given Donald an Aunt Matilda. Or if he did, he didn't care; it's not the sort of thing Barks cared about. After all, Donald's "Aunt Matilda" hadn't even been mentioned in a story, right?
Would be a bit of coincidence, that, if true. I personally always assumed the exact opposite — that it was a faint memory of having created an Aunt Matilda in Losing Face that led to him calling Donald's aunt that in the Family Tree, in much the same way that he appears to have created Scrooge's father "Scotty" from a faint memory of Scottie McTerrier in The Old Castle's Secret and his sister Thelma Duck from vague recollections of a sister Della Duck.
Sure, possibly it went that way. I was going on the theory that the sketched family tree was "early" 1950's (calisota_online website), and thus presumably preceded "Losing Face." In either case, it could just mean that "Aunt Matilda" sounded to him like a natural name for an "older generation" female character (aunt of an adult), and came to him twice, without his having a clear memory that he had used it in another connection.
In either case, it could just mean that "Aunt Matilda" sounded to him like a natural name for an "older generation" female character (aunt of an adult), and came to him twice, without his having a clear memory that he had used it in another connection.
That seems most likely. Barks was (frustratingly for some of us) cavalier about continuity in the Duckverse, both in his stories and during interviews in real life. He apparently forgot what he put down in his 1950s tree and drew one up for Rosa in the early '90s that had several differences. I can easily see him being fond of the name "Matilda" and deciding to use it as an elderly relative for Daisy, forgetting (or not caring) that he had previously proposed it as a name for an aunt of Donald's.
Hello, I just thought I'd pop in and mention that I've updated my tree to include Grandma's uncle Eider, whom TitusMcDuck told me about. Uncle Eider is mentioned by HDL in Gold of the '49ers (W JW 13-02) written by Barks. We're not told whether he's Clinton or Gertrude's brother, but I made him a Coot since Gertrude already has a sister.
I also have a vague memory of somebody posting a panel from some story where we see one of Grandma's uncle... and I think he had some sort of association with bicycles or something... I don't remember if this was supposed to be Eider, so this tangent might be wholly irrelevant.
Okay, this will probably be the final part of my Duck tree project. Here are the McDuck ancestors. I didn’t quite know how to “graphically design” this one, and as a result it looks like crap. However, it’s basically like a few family trees “on top of each other”. The red bars imply that one or more generations happen in between. The black text on the left is pretty self-explanatory. So, without further ado, here's my McDuck tree.
Sorry that the image takes up so much space. I don't know what to do about that. Anyways, here's a breakdown of where everyone is from.
The first eight are McDuck ancestors from unknown eras. Because of that I didn’t know where to place them, so they’re just here at the top. All of them are from Rosa’s The New Laird of Castle McDuck. The two on the sides are seen in the afterlife, whereas the six heads in the center are ghosts. And the five McDuck brothers are from Don Rosa’s The History of the Clan McDuck-sketches. You’ll see a lot of ancestors from those sketches in this “tree”. Anyways, their time frame is never mentioned, so they are simply here too.
Let’s start for real. Scrooge has a native American ancestor according to ZD 60-07-17. I’m of the opinion that the McDucks originated from Scotland, so what to do now? Well, according to Rosa’s sketches, Malcolm McDuck (originally from Barks’ Back to Long Ago!) eventually settled in America. Alright, then let’s say he had a kid whilst being there! Another one of Scrooge’s ancestors appear in the same Sunday strip. This guy invented the flintlock musket a short while after it had been invented by someone else. According to Wikipedia (yes, I used Wikipedia) the flintlock musket was invented in 1550. This duck is already old at the time of inventing, so I therefore assume he could be Malcolm’s father.
The McDucks were chased out of Castle McDuck by the Whiskervilles in 1495. Sir Simon McDuck was shown in flashbacks during The Old Castle's Other Secret or A Letter from Home. “Black” Donald appears in Rosa’s sketches.
Sirs Swamphole, Roast and Stuft are all mentioned in Barks’ The Old Castle’s Secret. Worth noting is that on Bark’s painting Dubious Doings at Dismal Downs, we see Swamphole's tombstone. According to this painting, he lived between 1161-1221. However, Rosa must have missed this, since in his notes he has Swamphole living between 1190-1260. This seems to be the way it works in his History of the Clan McDuck-sketches too. Since I didn’t want to change everything around Swamphole, I went with Rosa’s version of Swamphole’s lifetime.
Anyways, Stuft McDuck’s three sons are seen in The Last of the Clan McDuck, which is a re-purposed panel from his sketches. I don’t know which one of these is Roast’s father, so I just picked one at random.
Murdoch McDuck was seen in Rosa’s sketches and Sir Quackly is from The Old Castle’s Secret.
Friar Juicy McDuck (910-971) and Sir Smokt McDuck (931-??) are from Carl Barks’ painting Dubious Doings at Dismal Downs. Considering their birthdates, Juicy is likely be Smokt’s father… however, friars tend to be celibate, so he wouldn’t have been able to produce any offspring. Meh, maybe he became a friar after Smokt was born. Sir Eider McDuck was mentioned by Carl Barks in The Old Castle's Secret. He was later shown in Don Rosa’s The Last of the Clan McDuck.
Silas McDuck is originally from the classic version of Ducktales; the episode The Curse of Castle McDuck. He was the one who constructed McDuck castle… problem is that he’s supposed to be Scrooge's great-great-grandfather, which would mean that he lived and built the castle somewhen in the 1700s. This simply doesn’t work, since we know that the castle has stood for way longer. So I placed him here, as Eider’s father, since there’s no sign that the castle existed before this. I’d also like to note that Silas looks more or less identical to Old Scotty from Mark Worden’s tree. Slye McDuck and Silas’ father and grandfather are all from Rosa’s sketches.
Andold Wild Duck is from I AT 228-A, an Italian story. He has become famous enough to earn himself a spot on my tree. He was one of Donald’s ancestors and fought in Scotland in the Middle Ages, so his descendants most likely married into the McDuck clan at some point or another. I connected him to the only McDuck from the Dark Ages from Rosa’s sketches.
The duck who fights in the Siege of Hadrian’s Wall, and the one who built it, are both from Rosa’s sketches. Scrooge-Shah and family are from King Scrooge the First by Barks.
Finally, Oogbog McDuck and the dude who invented the bow are from ZD 60-07-17, the Sunday strip from before. Once again, I looked at Wikipedia to place these. Oddly enough, the strip shows Oogbog first, even though the wheel was invented after the bow. Oh well.
Thanks for reading, looking, and whether you have done during this time.
Silas McDuck is originally from the classic version of Ducktales; the episode The Curse of Castle McDuck. He was the one who constructed McDuck castle… problem is that he’s supposed to be Scrooge's great-great-grandfather, which would mean that he lived and built the castle somewhen in the 1700s. This simply doesn’t work, since we know that the castle has stood for way longer.
But the backstory in The Curse of Castle McDuck also has Silas's castle abandoned within days of the completion of its building, does it not? Personally, I've always held Silas's castle to be separate from the Barksian one — a castle he attempted to build because he wanted the Clan to have a domain once again, but was still terrified of the Hound haunting the old one.
Silas McDuck is originally from the classic version of Ducktales; the episode The Curse of Castle McDuck. He was the one who constructed McDuck castle… problem is that he’s supposed to be Scrooge's great-great-grandfather, which would mean that he lived and built the castle somewhen in the 1700s. This simply doesn’t work, since we know that the castle has stood for way longer.
But the backstory in The Curse of Castle McDuck also has Silas's castle abandoned within days of the completion of its building, does it not? Personally, I've always held Silas's castle to be separate from the Barksian one — a castle he attempted to build because he wanted the Clan to have a domain once again, but was still terrified of the Hound haunting the old one.
They are two versions of the same building. One is from the comics universe and the other is from the Ducktales universe. Its impossible to fit Silas and his castle in the comics timeline