I don't like Rosa's theory either. And since Daisy is the partner of HDL's uncle, I think it makes sense for them to call her aunt (even if they don't in Barks' stories).
Can Daisy really be called Donald's "partner"? They're not engaged, and they don't even seem to be in a monogamous relationship (they both regularly date other people). HD&L referring to Daisy as their aunt always seemed odd to me.
Did any American writers ever have HD&L refer to Daisy as their aunt? I don't think even Rosa did despite his personal canon in which she actually is related to them. Van Horn doesn't. Did Taliaferro? How about the Western comics? This may be a cultural thing, perhaps more natural in non-American societies.
It is said that HD&L used to call her tant in the older Swedish comics. I can’t confirm this - it’s not used in the first four issues from 1948 that I have available - but I find it likely. Tant is a somewhat antiquated word that could mean an aunt, but was also how children would address female friends to the family. So the word has ambiguity but as far as I know she’s never been believed to be their actual aunt in Sweden.
It is said that HD&L used to call her tant in the older Swedish comics. I can’t confirm this - it’s not used in the first four issues from 1948 that I have available - but I find it likely. Tant is a somewhat antiquated word that could mean an aunt, but was also how children would address female friends to the family. So the word has ambiguity but as far as I know she’s never been believed to be their actual aunt in Sweden.
I'm Swedish too, and I have vague memories of reading the term "tant Kajsa" in my Dad's old issues of Kalle Anka & co... But it is just memories, so I'm not sure what's real. However, I agree that it's most likely not supposed to be referring to her as a biological aunt.
It is said that HD&L used to call her tant in the older Swedish comics. I can’t confirm this - it’s not used in the first four issues from 1948 that I have available - but I find it likely. Tant is a somewhat antiquated word that could mean an aunt, but was also how children would address female friends to the family. So the word has ambiguity but as far as I know she’s never been believed to be their actual aunt in Sweden.
I'm Swedish too, and I have vague memories of reading the term "tant Kajsa" in my Dad's old issues of Kalle Anka & co... But it is just memories, so I'm not sure what's real. However, I agree that it's most likely not supposed to be referring to her as a biological aunt.
Trevligt . I too think I’ve seen it but I checked with some issues from the late 60s and 70s and they just say ”Kajsa”, unlike AM&J who say ”tant Kajsa”. Perhaps pre 1968?
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I recently stumbled upon ZD 43-12-26, which involves Donald going up to his attic to look through a chest containing a soldier's uniform from the American Civil war. Here's my thoughts on this:
1) I don't know if this is supposed to be a North- or South state uniform, since I've seen it colored both grey and blue.
2) To whom does this uniform belong? According to Rosa-timeline, Humperdink Duck (Donald's grandfather) would most likely have been born sometime around 1855. Thus, he would have been too young to participate in the war. A better candidate would have been his father (Donald's great-grandfather). This guy was also named Donald Duck, was seen in flashbacks in I TL 683-A. And wouldn't you know it, that story is all about Donald Sr. joining the war. Donald Sr. fights for the North, and his uniform is blue. This uniform could of course belong to another old relative of Donald who might have fought for the South. But any brother of Donald Sr. would likely have fought for the North as well. And the Coots were already living in Duckburg in the 1860s, so they should be part of the North too. The McDuck-side of Donald's ancestors were still in Scotland during the war, and are thus not relevant.
3) The suitcase has a name on it - 'Danial Duck'. Now, this is close to 'Daniel Duck', the name of a character that appeared in W DD 111-01. Coincidentally, I have him as Donald Sr.'s father on my family tree. Maybe this chest was passed down through the generations?
Note that I TL 683-A mentioned before with Donald Sr. did not have an English translation. Maybe Donald Sr.'s name could be translated into Danial in English? I don't like this theory, mostly because then his name would be too close to his father Daniel, but I guess it's a theory. (That being said, I don't like Donald Sr. having the same first name as Donald either. I prefer original names for characters.)
Good evening. Or morning, depending on your location, I guess.
I recently stumbled upon ZD 43-12-26, which involves Donald going up to his attic to look through a chest containing a soldier's uniform from the American Civil war. Here's my thoughts on this:
1) I don't know if this is supposed to be a North- or South state uniform, since I've seen it colored both grey and blue.
2) To whom does this uniform belong? According to Rosa-timeline, Humperdink Duck (Donald's grandfather) would most likely have been born sometime around 1855. Thus, he would have been too young to participate in the war. A better candidate would have been his father (Donald's great-grandfather). This guy was also named Donald Duck, was seen in flashbacks in I TL 683-A. And wouldn't you know it, that story is all about Donald Sr. joining the war. Donald Sr. fights for the North, and his uniform is blue. This uniform could of course belong to another old relative of Donald who might have fought for the South. But any brother of Donald Sr. would likely have fought for the North as well. And the Coots were already living in Duckburg in the 1860s, so they should be part of the North too. The McDuck-side of Donald's ancestors were still in Scotland during the war, and are thus not relevant.
3) The suitcase has a name on it - 'Danial Duck'. Now, this is close to 'Daniel Duck', the name of a character that appeared in W DD 111-01. Coincidentally, I have him as Donald Sr.'s father on my family tree. Maybe this chest was passed down through the generations?
Note that I TL 683-A mentioned before with Donald Sr. did not have an English translation. Maybe Donald Sr.'s name could be translated into Danial in English? I don't like this theory, mostly because then his name would be too close to his father Daniel, but I guess it's a theory. (That being said, I don't like Donald Sr. having the same first name as Donald either. I prefer original names for characters.)
Based on the stickers (I'm assuming that's what they are) on the chest, it seems that this "Danial Duck" has a connection with Virginia, which would suggest that this person was indeed a Confederate soldier. The stickers reading "Bull Run" and "Harpers Ferry" also points to this individual being heavily connected with Virginia and perhaps being involved in events that occurred early on or even before the war. Based solely on this, I would wager this guy was a Virginian and probably fought for the Confederate States.
Of course, this reveals little to nothing about his place on the Duck family tree. What do we know for sure about Humperdink's ancestors beyond Donald, Sr.? Unless there was concrete evidence for Humperdink's father and other ancestors being from Duckburg, I'd suggest that this individual is an ancestor of Humperdink's, and that Humperdink's family came to Duckburg from Virginia. Unless it is explicitly stated that Donald, Sr. lived in or near Duckburg, then he might as well be this "Danial." As you say, this could be Donald, Sr.'s real name. It's also possible that Danial is his middle name, making Donald Danial Duck his full name. It's also remotely possible, though less likely, that Danial was actually a misspelling of Donald. I know it sounds far-fetched, but maybe when Donald was getting the chest engraved, the engraver misheard and thought his name was Danial instead of Donald. Of course, identifying Donald, Sr. with this Danial guy means that my hypothesis from earlier that he fought for the South cannot be true, but I'm fine with that.
If there is evidence that Donald, Sr. was already living in Duckburg by the time of the Civil War, then maybe Danial is his brother who stayed behind in Virginia while Donald, Sr. moved to Calisota.
I think that, ultimately, the best way to find where to place this relative on the tree is to find what relatives of Donald's could have been living in Virginia during the Civil War. I suppose that what I should actually say is that we need to rule out which relatives of Donald's couldn't have been in Virginia during the Civil War, and work from there.
Then again, I guess this guy doesn't have to have had lived in Virginia, but it seems very likely, at least to me, that he did.
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For the sake of simplicity I would identify this Danial with the ”Grandpa Duck” whose picture Donald is straightening in YD 48-04-10. While that character is certainly intended to be Donald’s grandfather I prefer to think of him as his great-grandfather and that the picture used to belong to Donald’s father. (Of course I disregard any Italian story.)
Regarding the great-grandfather of Donald Duck as well as the history set in the war of secession appears in story Paperino e il "Little paper" (I TL 1117-C) where we see that he remained in the army at least until 1876. Then appears in another story Paperino e la pietra filosofale (I AO 38022-A) where he pretends to be dead to give a lesson to Donald Duck. In I TL 683-A is called Paolino Paperino (Pauly Li'l Duck) and in I AO 38022-A Paolo Paperis (Paul Ducks), so it can be assumed that wanting to translate the name is more exact a Paul Donald Duck that the simple Donald Duck. Regarding the origins of his ancestors we know that his grandfather is Crockett Duck and in the story Il ritratto di Zio Paperone (I TL 2116-4) Crockett Duck is called the King of Tennessee.
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Based on the stickers (I'm assuming that's what they are) on the chest, it seems that this "Danial Duck" has a connection with Virginia, which would suggest that this person was indeed a Confederate soldier. The stickers reading "Bull Run" and "Harpers Ferry" also points to this individual being heavily connected with Virginia and perhaps being involved in events that occurred early on or even before the war. Based solely on this, I would wager this guy was a Virginian and probably fought for the Confederate States.
Of course, this reveals little to nothing about his place on the Duck family tree. What do we know for sure about Humperdink's ancestors beyond Donald, Sr.? Unless there was concrete evidence for Humperdink's father and other ancestors being from Duckburg, I'd suggest that this individual is an ancestor of Humperdink's, and that Humperdink's family came to Duckburg from Virginia. Unless it is explicitly stated that Donald, Sr. lived in or near Duckburg, then he might as well be this "Danial." As you say, this could be Donald, Sr.'s real name. It's also possible that Danial is his middle name, making Donald Danial Duck his full name. It's also remotely possible, though less likely, that Danial was actually a misspelling of Donald. I know it sounds far-fetched, but maybe when Donald was getting the chest engraved, the engraver misheard and thought his name was Danial instead of Donald. Of course, identifying Donald, Sr. with this Danial guy means that my hypothesis from earlier that he fought for the South cannot be true, but I'm fine with that.
If there is evidence that Donald, Sr. was already living in Duckburg by the time of the Civil War, then maybe Danial is his brother who stayed behind in Virginia while Donald, Sr. moved to Calisota.
I think that, ultimately, the best way to find where to place this relative on the tree is to find what relatives of Donald's could have been living in Virginia during the Civil War. I suppose that what I should actually say is that we need to rule out which relatives of Donald's couldn't have been in Virginia during the Civil War, and work from there.
Then again, I guess this guy doesn't have to have had lived in Virginia, but it seems very likely, at least to me, that he did.
The Italian story with Donald Sr. that I mentioned (I TL 683-A), takes place in Duckburg. (it should be noted that the Swedish version, at least, uses another name for the town - Ankerville instead of Ankeborg. I would assume that Ankerville is probably an older name for Ankeborg or something.)
Of the other ancestors I currently have on my tree, Daniel Duck is said to have warned Duckburg about a great hurricane in 1878. There's also Crockett Duck, who is either Donald or HDL's great-great-great-great-grandfather. We know basically nothing about this character, except that he's based on Davy Crockett. Now, a quick research tells me that Davy Crockett spent parts of his childhood in Virginia! Just like on the Danial-chest! Ain't that something, huh? So maybe his Duck-counterpart did too, right? Well, anyways, Davy moved away before making offspring, so it doesn't matter really.
Remember there's another strip where Grandma's trying to use Confederate money. Seems to overall idnicate the family roots being in the South.
Yes, I read that one just the other day! It doesn't seem to mesh well with the fact that the Coots have lived in Duckburg, Calisota (presumably a North state) since 1818 (or even longer). If Humperdink's family came from the South, maybe she still got some of his money... maybe?
For the sake of simplicity I would identify this Danial with the ”Grandpa Duck” whose picture Donald is straightening in YD 48-04-10. While that character is certainly intended to be Donald’s grandfather I prefer to think of him as his great-grandfather and that the picture used to belong to Donald’s father.
I also think the owner of the Danial-uniform is the same individual as the one pictured in this photo. Is anybody an expert on American Civil War uniforms and can identify which side the pictured duck fought for? It's so hard to tell when the only images are in black and white. Unless Humperdink was almost 15 years older than Grandma Elivra, he'd be too young to participate in the war (according to Rosa's timeline, Elvira was born around 1855). So I'd say it's Humperdink's father too!
In I TL 683-A is called Paolino Donald Duck (Pauly Li'l Duck) and in I AO 38022-A Paul Paperis (Paul Ducks), so it can be assumed that wanting to translate the name is more exact a Paul Donald Duck that the simple Donald Duck.
Remember there's another strip where Grandma's trying to use Confederate money. Seems to overall idnicate the family roots being in the South.
Boo! I hate to think that The Duck family lived in a slave-owning society, and that his great grandfather fought for the slave states, and to preserve the institution of slavery.
Based on the stickers (I'm assuming that's what they are) on the chest, it seems that this "Danial Duck" has a connection with Virginia, which would suggest that this person was indeed a Confederate soldier. The stickers reading "Bull Run" and "Harpers Ferry" also points to this individual being heavily connected with Virginia and perhaps being involved in events that occurred early on or even before the war. Based solely on this, I would wager this guy was a Virginian and probably fought for the Confederate States.
Of course, this reveals little to nothing about his place on the Duck family tree. What do we know for sure about Humperdink's ancestors beyond Donald, Sr.? Unless there was concrete evidence for Humperdink's father and other ancestors being from Duckburg, I'd suggest that this individual is an ancestor of Humperdink's, and that Humperdink's family came to Duckburg from Virginia. Unless it is explicitly stated that Donald, Sr. lived in or near Duckburg, then he might as well be this "Danial." As you say, this could be Donald, Sr.'s real name. It's also possible that Danial is his middle name, making Donald Danial Duck his full name. It's also remotely possible, though less likely, that Danial was actually a misspelling of Donald. I know it sounds far-fetched, but maybe when Donald was getting the chest engraved, the engraver misheard and thought his name was Danial instead of Donald. Of course, identifying Donald, Sr. with this Danial guy means that my hypothesis from earlier that he fought for the South cannot be true, but I'm fine with that.
If there is evidence that Donald, Sr. was already living in Duckburg by the time of the Civil War, then maybe Danial is his brother who stayed behind in Virginia while Donald, Sr. moved to Calisota.
I think that, ultimately, the best way to find where to place this relative on the tree is to find what relatives of Donald's could have been living in Virginia during the Civil War. I suppose that what I should actually say is that we need to rule out which relatives of Donald's couldn't have been in Virginia during the Civil War, and work from there.
Then again, I guess this guy doesn't have to have had lived in Virginia, but it seems very likely, at least to me, that he did.
The Italian story with Donald Sr. that I mentioned (I TL 683-A), takes place in Duckburg. (it should be noted that the Swedish version, at least, uses another name for the town - Ankerville instead of Ankeborg. I would assume that Ankerville is probably an older name for Ankeborg or something.)
Of the other ancestors I currently have on my tree, Daniel Duck is said to have warned Duckburg about a great hurricane in 1878. There's also Crockett Duck, who is either Donald or HDL's great-great-great-great-grandfather. We know basically nothing about this character, except that he's based on Davy Crockett. Now, a quick research tells me that Davy Crockett spent parts of his childhood in Virginia! Just like on the Danial-chest! Ain't that something, huh? So maybe his Duck-counterpart did too, right? Well, anyways, Davy moved away before making offspring, so it doesn't matter really.
Remember there's another strip where Grandma's trying to use Confederate money. Seems to overall indicate the family roots being in the South.
Yes, I read that one just the other day! It doesn't seem to mesh well with the fact that the Coots have lived in Duckburg, Calisota (presumably a North state) since 1818 (or even longer). If Humperdink's family came from the South, maybe she still got some of his money... maybe?
For the sake of simplicity I would identify this Danial with the ”Grandpa Duck” whose picture Donald is straightening in YD 48-04-10. While that character is certainly intended to be Donald’s grandfather I prefer to think of him as his great-grandfather and that the picture used to belong to Donald’s father.
I also think the owner of the Danial-uniform is the same individual as the one pictured in this photo. Is anybody an expert on American Civil War uniforms and can identify which side the pictured duck fought for? It's so hard to tell when the only images are in black and white. Unless Humperdink was almost 15 years older than Grandma Elivra, he'd be too young to participate in the war (according to Rosa's timeline, Elvira was born around 1855). So I'd say it's Humperdink's father too!
Possession of Confederate Money does NOT mean that the possessor's ancestors lived in The Confederate States of America, nor the southern states even ANY time after The US Civil War. When I was young. LOTS of people in The Northern US states, and even in Canada, had some confederate money. It was the "play money" for some people, and for many others it was a popular (but relatively inexpensive) collector's item. Even members of my own family, in Canada, and others in USA had some. And NONE of those people or their ancestors from The Netherlands and Belgium lived or even visited the southern US states. So, Grandma's father could have bought those Confederate bills in Duckburg in 1875, from a fast-talking peddler, on speculation that if saved for 10+ years they would have significantly higher value as a collector's item (20+ years after The Civil War ended). I say it proves NOTHING at all. Personally, I'd hate to think that Grandma and Grandpa Duck lived in a slave state, and family members fought to retain the institution of slavery.
I have now reached YD 45-11-12, which mentions Daisy's cousin Dustin.
We don't know if he's a cousin via Daisy's mother or father. Anyways, I would put Dustin as the son of Daisy's aunt Matilda, and I'd have cousin Gertrude be the daughter of aunt Drusilla.
Four of Scrooge's ancestors appeared in this Taliaferro/Karp strip: inducks.org/story.php?c=ZD+60-07-17 . The Stone Age ancestor is called "Oogbog McDuck", the other three go unnamed.
Four of Scrooge's ancestors appeared in this Taliaferro/Karp strip: inducks.org/story.php?c=ZD+60-07-17 . The Stone Age ancestor is called "Oogbog McDuck", the other three go unnamed.
Ah, cool! Nice find!
I guess the story is implying that the McDucks are native American? I don't like that - they should be Scottish. I guess the fourth ancestor is from somewhere in the 1400s, when the musket was invented...?
I guess the story is implying that the McDucks are native American? I don't like that - they should be Scottish.
I don't think it's trying to imply anything; the notion of a family named “McDuck” being anything other than Scottish in origins is of course not only objectionable, but utterly preposterous. Karp (or whoever) just didn't think that one all the way through because deadlines, I think.
If one wants to rationalize it, this ancestor there might be the son of Matey McDuck (who per Rosa settled, and died, in Fort Drakeborough) who, finding himself orphaned, went native with the Crazy Ducks tribe?