Ah, much appreciated! You seem to have access to a lot of these strips. Is there a possibility that you might be able to upload even more of them? The scans that are available on INDUCKS are in pretty low resolution. Especially the Sunday strips are super hard to read.
Did any American writers ever have HD&L refer to Daisy as their aunt? I don't think even Rosa did despite his personal canon in which she actually is related to them. Van Horn doesn't. Did Taliaferro? How about the Western comics? This may be a cultural thing, perhaps more natural in non-American societies.
I found a Taliaferro-strip where HDL calls her 'aunt Daisy'. ZD 48-12-05, panel 9. That being said, I still think of it as being a non-familial aunt, or simply the "girlfriend of our uncle".
Did any American writers ever have HD&L refer to Daisy as their aunt? I don't think even Rosa did despite his personal canon in which she actually is related to them. Van Horn doesn't. Did Taliaferro? How about the Western comics? This may be a cultural thing, perhaps more natural in non-American societies.
I found a Taliaferro-strip where HDL calls her 'aunt Daisy'. ZD 48-12-05, panel 9. That being said, I still think of it as being a non-familial aunt, or simply the "girlfriend of our uncle".
Yes, you have good grounds to posit the "non-familial aunt" option. I know I've said this before, but HDL calling Daisy "Aunt Daisy" in the mid-20th century says NOTHING about bio-familial relationship. In the mid-20th century in the USA, kids did not call adults by their first name. Adults in the family got their family moniker, "Grandma" or "Uncle Donald." Adults outside the family were usually called Mrs./Mr. Lastname. Or Coach Lastname, or Pastor Lastname. If the adult was a close family friend and that seemed too formal, the kids would call the adult Aunt/Uncle Firstname. The "aunt/uncle" was a title of respect-and-closeness. I myself had an "Aunt Mary" who was a close friend of my grandmother's, who often came to our house for holiday meals.
Of course, I'm saying this as if it was universal among American kids, and the USA was culturally too diverse for that. But it was the standard practice.
Did any American writers ever have HD&L refer to Daisy as their aunt? I don't think even Rosa did despite his personal canon in which she actually is related to them. Van Horn doesn't. Did Taliaferro? How about the Western comics? This may be a cultural thing, perhaps more natural in non-American societies.
I found a Taliaferro-strip where HDL calls her 'aunt Daisy'. ZD 48-12-05, panel 9. That being said, I still think of it as being a non-familial aunt, or simply the "girlfriend of our uncle".
I found a Taliaferro-strip where HDL calls her 'aunt Daisy'. ZD 48-12-05, panel 9. That being said, I still think of it as being a non-familial aunt, or simply the "girlfriend of our uncle".
There’s also this:
Good point - "your nephews", not "my nephews" or "our nephews".
Good point - "your nephews", not "my nephews" or "our nephews".
Yes; to me, these panels are definite proof that HD&L are *not* related to Daisy, per Taliaferro, whom I consider a source as canonical as Barks (where the two don't contradict). The (so far) sole instance we've identified in his work where they refer to her as "Aunt Daisy" is probably honorific, as has been proposed. I'm sure that if Rosa's attention were to be drawn to this, as well as the fact that Barks never had HD&L call Daisy their aunt, he'd change his mind about her being the sister of their father, wouldn't he?
I'm sure that if Rosa's attention were to be drawn to this, as well as the fact that Barks never had HD&L call Daisy their aunt, he'd change his mind about her being the sister of their father, wouldn't he?
I don't know — I've never noticed that he put Taliaferro particularly high above other American authors as a source. He does borrow details from him sometimes, if he feels like it, but he does the same from other American sources from his childhood, as with "Elviry" and "Humperdink" and, heck, the Three Caballeros.
Yeah, I think Rosa would probably abandon this theory once he'd realize that Barks never had HDL call Daisy "aunt", and the only instances of them doing so is from non-Barks stories. It seems to me that the only reason he used Taliaferro-characters is because Barks used them first, thus making them a part of what Rosa considers "the real Duck universe". Barks never used Socrates Gosling, for example, and thus neither did Rosa (he's not even on Rosa's tree).
Still, it seems to me that Daisy being HDL's aunt is just an idea Rosa was toying with, rather than being an established fact in his universe. He didn't even include it in the family tree that he made later (the one that included Ludwig von Drake as Matilda's husband, and the face of HDL's father).
I found a Taliaferro-strip where HDL calls her 'aunt Daisy'. ZD 48-12-05, panel 9. That being said, I still think of it as being a non-familial aunt, or simply the "girlfriend of our uncle".
Yes, you have good grounds to posit the "non-familial aunt" option. I know I've said this before, but HDL calling Daisy "Aunt Daisy" in the mid-20th century says NOTHING about bio-familial relationship. In the mid-20th century in the USA, kids did not call adults by their first name. Adults in the family got their family moniker, "Grandma" or "Uncle Donald." Adults outside the family were usually called Mrs./Mr. Lastname. Or Coach Lastname, or Pastor Lastname. If the adult was a close family friend and that seemed too formal, the kids would call the adult Aunt/Uncle Firstname. The "aunt/uncle" was a title of respect-and-closeness. I myself had an "Aunt Mary" who was a close friend of my grandmother's, who often came to our house for holiday meals.
Of course, I'm saying this as if it was universal among American kids, and the USA was culturally too diverse for that. But it was the standard practice.
I can confirm that. My family did that, not only in Canada and USA, but also in The Netherlands and Belgium. I DO remember seeing Huey, Dewey, and Louie refer to Daisy as "Aunt Daisy" in several US stories in the late 1940s, and all throughout the 1950s. I thought they did that because of the closeness of Daisy not only being Donald's "ladyfriend", but also that they were basically almost married. I never took it to mean that she was their Aunt by blood relation.
ZD 54-06-27 features a cat that an uncle Herman left at the Duck residence. Uncle Herman seems to live in the woods, pretty far away from Duckburg. Now, the question is whether uncle Herman is a biological uncle, or if it's just a nickname - kind of like how Uncle Amos in The Case of the Vanishing Coats isn't really Donald's uncle.
Since the strip ran for over 30 years, I assume there are still more out there.
Just for the record here: the Donald Duck newspaper strip ran for over 50 years. You're probably thinking of the decades when Taliaferro himself drew it, but it was continued for many years after his death. It was cancelled in 1995 along with the Mickey Mouse strip.
Since the strip ran for over 30 years, I assume there are still more out there.
Just for the record here: the Donald Duck newspaper strip ran for over 50 years. You're probably thinking of the decades when Taliaferro himself drew it, but it was continued for many years after his death. It was cancelled in 1995 along with the Mickey Mouse strip.
You are correct! However, I haven't decided yet whether I will include only the Karp/Taliaferro-stuff, or the whole strip. Right now, I'm leaning towards the whole thing, all the way until 1995.
ZD 55-10-09 has Donald going to the library to study some Duck genealogy. He finds eight ancestors (only seven in the original American version). I never understood why the American originals sometime lack some panels. I mean, wouldn't the originals be the ones with all the panels, and then maybe some translations cut one or two out? Did Taliaferro draw some extra panels knowing they wouldn't be used in the American version?
Anyways, my knowledge of history isn't what it could be, so if anyone could pin down the eras these images depict, it appreciate it very much! Also, I'm not sure what the title of the book Donald is reading is, but that would probably be relevant to know.
Anyways, my knowledge of history isn't what it could be, so if anyone could pin down the eras these images depict, it appreciate it very much! Also, I'm not sure what the title of the book Donald is reading is, but that would probably be relevant to know.
What I suspect: two first squares: Middle Ages; 3rd and 4th - seems somehing like Bourboun's France (the 4th seems to be with the Musketeers); 5th - the time of atlantic travels (who, btw, is largely the same time of the former squares); 6th - establihment of colonies in North America; 7th - I bet that is the 7 Years War (North American front); 8th - American Revolution (as Donald's ancestor as a pro-British).