ZD 55-10-09 has Donald going to the library to study some Duck genealogy. He finds eight ancestors (only seven in the original American version). I never understood why the American originals sometime lack some panels. I mean, wouldn't the originals be the ones with all the panels, and then maybe some translations cut one or two out? Did Taliaferro draw some extra panels knowing they wouldn't be used in the American version?
Anyways, my knowledge of history isn't what it could be, so if anyone could pin down the eras these images depict, it appreciate it very much! Also, I'm not sure what the title of the book Donald is reading is, but that would probably be relevant to know.
My instinct is that the 7th guy fought in the American Revolution, based mostly on the fact that he was wearing a blue coat, which was worn by members of the Continental Army. It could be some other war, but I feel like that's what would be most likely to have been going through the mind of the author(s).
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Okay, so this isn't a new Duck relative, but it's still Taliaferro-related, and Bolivar is kinda part of the Duck family, so I thought "what the heck". (Also - I started this thread, I do what I want with it).
In YD 55-10-13 we see a flashback of Bolivar's origin story. To me at least, this is super-interesting.
I thought that the dog in this Talliaferro-strip might actually be Behemoth (you know, Bolivar's son who was a thing), but Behemoth's introduction states that Donald is the one who brought him home. Also, in YD 55-10-13 the Ducks have to buy the pup. Would they really have to buy the son of their own dog? I admittedly don't know a thing about buying and owning dogs, but I assume not.
I know there's the later Homeward Hound (D 2003-135) which also shows how Donald got Bolivar. However, in that story it is Donald who picks up Bolivar, and it seems to take place before HDL even came around.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Jun 14, 2019 9:32:50 GMT
I'm somewhat dubious that this is dog is meant to be Bolivar, since the punchline is thatt they're selling him away. This seems to rather be one of the wackier, not-meant-to-be-taken-seriously-as-part-of-a-storyline Taliaferro strips, no doubt inspired by the fact that Donald sometimes had a humongous pet dog in the strips, but not meant to be a "flashback" in any real sense.
I'm somewhat dubious that this is dog is meant to be Bolivar, since the punchline is thatt they're selling him away. This seems to rather be one of the wackier, not-meant-to-be-taken-seriously-as-part-of-a-storyline Taliaferro strips, no doubt inspired by the fact that Donald sometimes had a humongous pet dog in the strips, but not meant to be a "flashback" in any real sense.
What you're saying is true, but the alternative is that Donald and the boys thought it would be a wise decision to purchase a third St Bernard dog, but I find that unlikely.
I'd like to note that there have been strips where Donald puts his house and car up for sale. Yet in the following strips, he lives in the same house and drives the same car. My interpretation is that nobody buys what Donald is selling (there have been strips focusing on Donald failing as a salesman). So therefore, I believe Bolivar stayed with the Duck family after this strip.
I'm somewhat dubious that this is dog is meant to be Bolivar, since the punchline is thatt they're selling him away. This seems to rather be one of the wackier, not-meant-to-be-taken-seriously-as-part-of-a-storyline Taliaferro strips, no doubt inspired by the fact that Donald sometimes had a humongous pet dog in the strips, but not meant to be a "flashback" in any real sense.
What you're saying is true, but the alternative is that Donald and the boys thought it would be a wise decision to purchase a third St Bernard dog, but I find that unlikely.
I'd like to note that there have been strips where Donald puts his house and car up for sale. Yet in the following strips, he lives in the same house and drives the same car. My interpretation is that nobody buys what Donald is selling (there have been strips focusing on Donald failing as a salesman). So therefore, I believe Bolivar stayed with the Duck family after this strip.
Gags like that aren't meant to be taken as "continuity" any more than the status of Scrooge's fortune at the end of Barks' "A Christmas for Shacktown". Karp and Taliaferro just went for the punchline.
As for Bolivar, I wouldn't be surprised if there are strips past 1951 where he turns up. But the St. Bernard in this strip obviously isn't Bolivar.
I'm somewhat dubious that this is dog is meant to be Bolivar, since the punchline is thatt they're selling him away. This seems to rather be one of the wackier, not-meant-to-be-taken-seriously-as-part-of-a-storyline Taliaferro strips, no doubt inspired by the fact that Donald sometimes had a humongous pet dog in the strips, but not meant to be a "flashback" in any real sense.
What you're saying is true, but the alternative is that Donald and the boys thought it would be a wise decision to purchase a third St Bernard dog, but I find that unlikely.
They clearly don't know that the puppy is a St. Bernard ("See, he is not very big.") - these also exclude the possibility of him being son of Bolivar.
YD 59-11-17 mentions Donald's grandfather, who apparently worked for the same guy as Donald does in this strip. The grandfather got a raise, which was spent on "a raccoon coat, a ukulele, and a yellow sucker"... okay.
Since Fergus McDuck never left Scotland (I think), it's fair to assume that this strip is referring to Don's paternal grandfather Humperdink/Dabney instead.
YD 59-11-17 mentions Donald's grandfather, who apparently worked for the same guy as Donald does in this strip. The grandfather got a raise, which was spent on "a raccoon coat, a ukulele, and a yellow sucker"... okay.
Since Fergus McDuck never left Scotland (I think), it's fair to assume that this strip is referring to Don's paternal grandfather Humperdink/Dabney instead.
Interesting find. Yes, it definitely couldn't be Fergus, as I think it's stated it either The Terror of the Transvaal or The Dreamtime Duck of the Never-Never that Jake and Fergus have (as of that story) never left Scotland. Then again, we also have such stories as Storia e Gloria to reckon with, but I don't know if you would view those as canonical.
I would like to propose an alternative interpretation: Perhaps Donald's grandfather did not really work for Donald's employer. He may very well have been lying to try to get a raise from his boss, when it was actually he himself who bought a raccoon coat, ukulele, and yellow sucker. Perhaps he was telling a stupid lie, something along the lines of "That wasn't me! That was my twin brother!" or, in modern terms, "That wasn't actually me! My account got hacked!" Of course, sometimes it's true. Someone really could have worked at the same place as their grandfather or twin brothers, and accounts really do get hacked. Still, some people may try to use these things as excuses and claim they happened when they didn't. I think that's what Donald is doing here. That's just my interpretation, though. I may be totally wrong, but I feel like that's what's happening. Donald's trying to push the blame on his grandfather, who may have never worked at that place.
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YD 59-11-17 mentions Donald's grandfather, who apparently worked for the same guy as Donald does in this strip. The grandfather got a raise, which was spent on "a raccoon coat, a ukulele, and a yellow sucker"... okay.
Since Fergus McDuck never left Scotland (I think), it's fair to assume that this strip is referring to Don's paternal grandfather Humperdink/Dabney instead.
Interesting find. Yes, it definitely couldn't be Fergus, as I think it's stated it either The Terror of the Transvaal or The Dreamtime Duck of the Never-Never that Jake and Fergus have (as of that story) never left Scotland. Then again, we also have such stories as Storia e Gloria to reckon with, but I don't know if you would view those as canonical.
I would like to propose an alternative interpretation: Perhaps Donald's grandfather did not really work for Donald's employer. He may very well have been lying to try to get a raise from his boss, when it was actually he himself who bought a raccoon coat, ukulele, and yellow sucker. Perhaps he was telling a stupid lie, something along the lines of "That wasn't me! That was my twin brother!" or, in modern terms, "That wasn't actually me! My account got hacked!" Of course, sometimes it's true. Someone really could have worked at the same place as their grandfather or twin brothers, and accounts really do get hacked. Still, some people may try to use these things as excuses and claim they happened when they didn't. I think that's what Donald is doing here. That's just my interpretation, though. I may be totally wrong, but I feel like that's what's happening. Donald's trying to push the blame on his grandfather, who may have never worked at that place.
My current head-canon consists of only the Gottfredson Mickey strips, the Taliaferro strips up until Bob Karp's retirement (probably, we'll see), Barks, and Rosa... with a few small additions to that. That being said, I've wanted to read those Italian Duck family-stories for a long time! It's too bad they don't mesh super-well with Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck.
I thought the joke was that since it was his grandfather, it must have been a long time ago - not recently as the boss seems to recall it. But I do believe the theory you present is possible. However, I find it odd that Donald would have chosen his grandfather if he was lying. Why not say his dad or brother instead, since that would have been more believable? Although, the fact that Donald is sweating in panels 2 and 4, seems to indicate a lie.
I'm once again going to go on a non-genealogical tangent in this thread.
In ZD 59-10-18, Daisy mentions that she and Donald used to go to school together. This bothered me, since YD 40-11-04 (made by the same people) seemed to imply that Donald and Daisy first met when Daisy moved into Donald's neighborhood. That strip obviously takes place after both of them are out of school, since HDL are already living with Donald.
I know other stories have shown them together in school, and even kindergarten I believe, but it bothers me when a writer contradicts himself.
Much (not all) of the Storia e Gloria could be reconciled (both with the LOTS and with Barks) if we assume that most characters (specially in the stories after Paperon McPaperon e le sterline di Trisnonna Papera) are greatn-uncles and not greatn-parents of the current characters.
I'm once again going to go on a non-genealogical tangent in this thread.
In ZD 59-10-18, Daisy mentions that she and Donald used to go to school together. This bothered me, since YD 40-11-04 (made by the same people) seemed to imply that Donald and Daisy first met when Daisy moved into Donald's neighborhood. That strip obviously takes place after both of them are out of school, since HDL are already living with Donald.
I know other stories have shown them together in school, and even kindergarten I believe, but it bothers me when a writer contradicts himself.
Possible solution - they did not recognize each other at first - after all, adults are physically different from children (and perhaps the attraction had a bit of "he/she remembers me a boy/girl that I met much years ago") - hey, some days ago a encountered in the Facebook a girl who went to the elementary school with me, 40 years ago. and, at least in the photos, she seems very different.
Much (not all) of the Storia e Gloria could be reconciled (both with the L&TOS and with Barks) if we assume that most characters (specially in the stories after Paperon McPaperon e le sterline di Trisnonna Papera) are greatn-uncles and not greatn-parents of the current characters.
I don't see why that's needed. The only chapters which conflict are Cannons of the Mississippi and Gold of the Klondike, the rest are about such distant and ill-defined ancestors that they don't clash with anything Barks-Rosian.