if disney comics characters are anthropomorphic animals could they be judged on purely human racism standards and definition? for a mouse to be friend with a horse and a dog is not that a sign of multiculturism? or what is your question about enemy1?
Not sure if this could be considered racist, but Gladstone says "Us Ganders have never sunk low enough to associate with you Ducks!" I assume he's talking about the Duck family, and the Gander family, so it's not about race really... but I'm sure it could be considered some form of -ism. Familism?
Unrelated to the topic - I find it weird that Gladstone says something like that about the Ducks, when his own mother is part of the Duck family - something that is indirectly confirmed further down on the page when he specifies his relationship with Scrooge.
Unrelated to the topic - I find it weird that Gladstone says something like that about the Ducks, when his own mother is part of the Duck family - something that is indirectly confirmed further down on the page when he specifies his relationship with Scrooge.
I know this is sort of getting off topic, but my personal headcanon is that Gladstone spent a lot of his teenage and very young adult years with the Gander side of his family, a side that hated the Ducks. I imagine most of the folks from that side are deceased now, which is why we almost always see Gladstone spending time with the Duck side of the family. I imagine that "Race to the South Seas" is an earlier story on the timeline. Gladstone still has a lot of that anger towards the Ducks left over from his years with the Gander family.
As far as the more broad topic of racism goes, I doubt that this is an example of it. If Gladstone were trying to distinguish between his and Donald's race, I think he would have referred to himself as a goose. The fact that he uses the word Gander indicates to me that he is referring specifically to their families, not races/species.
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Unrelated to the topic - I find it weird that Gladstone says something like that about the Ducks, when his own mother is part of the Duck family - something that is indirectly confirmed further down on the page when he specifies his relationship with Scrooge.
I know this is sort of getting off topic, but my personal headcanon is that Gladstone spent a lot of his teenage and very young adult years with the Gander side of his family, a side that hated the Ducks. I imagine most of the folks from that side are deceased now, which is why we almost always see Gladstone spending time with the Duck side of the family. I imagine that "Race to the South Seas" is an earlier story on the timeline. Gladstone still has a lot of that anger towards the Ducks left over from his years with the Gander family.
As far as the more broad topic of racism goes, I doubt that this is an example of it. If Gladstone were trying to distinguish between his and Donald's race, I think he would have referred to himself as a goose. The fact that he uses the word Gander indicates to me that he is referring specifically to their families, not races/species.
I agree 100% with this assessment. The Ganders have always dealt with "luck" - both good and bad. We know this from Barks, and stories by other writers and artists, like Jack Bradbury, Dick Moores, Willem van Horn, Don Rosa, Myself, Freddy Milton, Jan Gulbransson, and all others who follow the Barks tradition. So, they were always the object of jealousy and some hatred by The Ducks, and thought of as "weird" by them. Because of that standoffish treatment by The Ducks, they must have had a feeling of resentment of The Ducks for being treated that way by them. It wasn't as bad a relationship as that of two feuding families, like The Hatfields and The Mccoys in USA, or The Campbells and The MacDonalds in The Scottish Highlands (or The Mcducks and The McWhiskers (Whiskervilles).
I DON'T agree that Most of The Ganders died out, so that's why Gladstone hangs around The Ducks now. We know from Dick Moores, and Myself, and others, that several young and relatively young Gander family members are still around. So, I must conclude that Gladstone spends some time around The Duck family because he likes to date Daisy, and because he enjoys tormenting Donald. He eats meals at Grandma's holiday dinners because he likes her cooking and can torment Donald at the same time. Otherwise he's really not with The Ducks all that much. The Duck stories centre around Donald, his nephews and Uncle Scrooge. So, naturally, we only see Gladstone when he crosses their paths. We don't see more than a couple % of his life's time. A much, much larger % of THAT time could easily be spent among The Ganders. We could get an idea of how much, IF Gladstone had his own comic book. But, thank goodness, he doesn't.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Mar 21, 2019 12:59:32 GMT
This is why I think Rosa goofed by having Gladstone inherit his luck from his mother, a Duck. Gladstone's disdain for the earthy, common-folk, working-class Ducks has to come from his identification with his father's side of the family, the Ganders, and therefore his defining characteristic, his ridiculous luck, which enables him to "rise above" that station in life, must also be a Gander characteristic. From a storytelling point of view, I understand why Rosa made Daphne the lucky one ... there would have otherwise been nothing remarkable about her in Life of Scrooge, and he would have lost his chance to indulge in some foreshadowing. Does Rosa also see Goostave as possessing of preternatural good fortune, I wonder? I like to think of Gladstone's parents as alive, but not co-mingling with Grandma and her progeny because of the air of superiority the Ganders as a clan possess; perhaps Grandma did not approve of Daphne's marriage to Goostave. Gladstone, for whatever reason, deigns to spend a Christmas or two at Grandma's farm.
And yes, Mickey being referred to as a "white man" lends credence to the filter theory, i.e., that the Duck and Mouse characters are all humans that looks like animals because of the lens we view them through. Some have suggested above that Goofy may be African-American, but hasn't he also been called a "white man" in Gottfredson's work?
I know this is sort of getting off topic, but my personal headcanon is that Gladstone spent a lot of his teenage and very young adult years with the Gander side of his family, a side that hated the Ducks. I imagine most of the folks from that side are deceased now, which is why we almost always see Gladstone spending time with the Duck side of the family. I imagine that "Race to the South Seas" is an earlier story on the timeline. Gladstone still has a lot of that anger towards the Ducks left over from his years with the Gander family.
I DON'T agree that Most of The Ganders died out, so that's why Gladstone hangs around The Ducks now. We know from Dick Moores, and Myself, and others, that several young and relatively young Gander family members are still around. So, I must conclude that Gladstone spends some time around The Duck family because he likes to date Daisy, and because he enjoys tormenting Donald. He eats meals at Grandma's holiday dinners because he likes her cooking and can torment Donald at the same time. Otherwise he's really not with The Ducks all that much. The Duck stories centre around Donald, his nephews and Uncle Scrooge. So, naturally, we only see Gladstone when he crosses their paths. We don't see more than a couple % of his life's time. A much, much larger % of THAT time could easily be spent among The Ganders. We could get an idea of how much, IF Gladstone had his own comic book. But, thank goodness, he doesn't.
I see what you're saying. I personally haven't really read many stories that feature young Gander family members. I know of some of them, but I can't say I have much personal experience with them. That said, I'm still not sure if Gladstone wanting to date Daisy and torment Donald is reason enough for him to spend pretty much every holiday with that side of the family. My personal impression from some Barks stories was that Gladstone didn't really like Donald any more than Donald liked him. I don't know why he would subject himself to spending time with him at holidays, unless he's just that nasty of a person that he can't resist taking an opportunity to torment him.
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My personal impression from some Barks stories was that Gladstone didn't really like Donald any more than Donald liked him. I don't know why he would subject himself to spending time with him at holidays, unless he's just that nasty of a person that he can't resist taking an opportunity to torment him.
Perhaps he has a soft spot for Grandma Duck (and her cooking)? There have been, I believe, a lot of stories that show Gladstone visiting the farm as a child (including Rosa's own "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink"). Otherwise, Donald and Gladstone seem to just bump into each other on the street rather than make an effort to meet up with each other. Maybe Gladstone is the only member of the Ganders to live in Duckburg?
BTW, we discussed this before, but Rosa implied in "Distelfink" that Gladstone's parents were dead, since a man from the airlines came to Grandma's farm looking for his closest living relative. When pressed about the question of Gladstone's family specifically, though, Rosa said he never really thought about it, or some such. And of course, Rosa has Gladstone be an only child, so siblings and nephews/nieces are out of the question in the Rosa-verse.
In Mickey Mouse Sails for Treasure Island, the natives call Mickey a "white man".
I like the stories of Floyd Gottfredson but unfortunately being stories of the 1930s tend to report errors typical of the era. Ironically, no black tribe in the world called Europeans white men! The appellations were the most varied red men, men of mud or heavy men.
it should be noted instead that in stories such as Mancha no Antigo Egito (B 74169) the native Africans are identical to Mickey (the twins dressed in fur).
Who would have thought only 4 years ago when this thread was created that a couple of years later Disney themselves would accuse some Disney comics of racism, imperialism, or sexism. And not only Disney comics, but even some MODERN Disney comics created in the 90s and the 21st century!!
Post by kilmarnock228 on Nov 27, 2023 23:43:19 GMT
RobbK1 maybe Gladstone chooses to regard Grandma as a Coot and not hold the family she married into against her?
I think it can be safely said that the Disney company and its content creators have at various times been guilty of perpetuating incorrect and offensive ideas. The comics are also based on and set in a fictionalized version of our world, where these ideas happen to exist