You've a good reason why I don't need to hold to the rule, but than will occurs the present HDL in 1950 and they've much stuff that they don't have in 1950.
Would those strips count in a Taliaferro based canon if they were actually written by Bob Karp?
I feel like if you discount strips written or cowritten by others, there's going to be frightfully little of it left. It's like how when someone speaks of Gottfredson canon, it very probably includes Mickey Outwits the Phantom Blot, even if that was actually written by De Maris.
Moreover I go base my story on Carl Barks, Al Taliaferro, Charmin on the Bored, Italian writers who interresant stuff write about Gideon and Marley Mcduck and stories what fits well in between.
Would those strips count in a Taliaferro based canon if they were actually written by Bob Karp?
I feel like if you discount strips written or cowritten by others, there's going to be frightfully little of it left. It's like how when someone speaks of Gottfredson canon, it very probably includes Mickey Outwits the Phantom Blot, even if that was actually written by De Maris.
Gottfredson did share writing credit for that story though, and the vast majority of his pre-1944 work. I personally wouldn't consider his later stories canon, since he wasn't as involved in the storytelling at that point- and it shows in the difference of the plots and characterization.
On the other hand, if one wanted to talk about a 'Gottfredson and Scarpa canon' (since Scarpa wrote several sequels to Gottfredson stories), one would have to include at least a few of the Bill Walsh era stories (since Scarpa also wrote stories with Walsh's characters).
My own first instinct with regard to the Duck artists would be to give credence only to the older material. Certainly, one would want to acknowledge Taliaferro in a Barks-centric canon, as Barks developed characters and concepts from Taliaferro's stories. But I wouldn't consider later Taliaferro stories featuring $crooge canon, unless one could argue that these depictions also subsequently influenced Barks' conception of $crooge.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Jun 19, 2019 20:02:12 GMT
So I know this is rapidly becoming a losing battle on the Internet, but as hills to die on it's at least a nice-sounding one:
could everyone please take heed of the fact that the adjectival form of "canon" is "canonical"? "Canon" is a noun. You can talk about a hypothesized "Rosa-Brady canon" or whatever; or you can say "the Eega Beeva stories by Ub Iwerks and Silvia Ziche aren't canonical"; but you can't say that "the Scrooge comic-strips from the 1920's are canon".
So I know this is rapidly becoming a losing battle on the Internet, but as hills to die on it's at least a nice-sounding one:
could everyone please take heed of the fact that the adjectival form of "canon" is "canonical"? "Canon" is a noun. You can talk about a hypothesized "Rosa-Brady canon" or whatever; or you can say "the Eega Beeva stories by Ub Iwerks and Silvia Ziche aren't canonical"; but you can't say that "the Scrooge comic-strips from the 1920's are canon".
I agree with this completely, though it may be a wee bit off-topic. I probably have used canon as an adjective before by mistake, but we should definitely use canonical instead, as you have explained, using canon as a noun. Also, the Scrooge comic-strips from the 1920's are the most canonical thing since the Dickie Duck graphic novels by Don Rosa! That's a fact!
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I've an idea for my story, it is a continuation on 'Tutti I Milioni di Zio Paperone' :
Scrooge still had twenty million after his twenty million, because he didn't make a profit. He tryd to make money with a bank.
He told the director how he deserves his first first billion and how the money has become worthless.
He tryd everything to make money and sell all his shares for money. In the begin he'd regret, but he did it two days for the stock market crisis of '30 and he makes with debentures his second first billion.
Yes. Otherwise is it very complicated. Moreover Voodoo Hoodoo cause problems in my story, because then(1879) he had a billion, but he became rich in the gold rush of the Klondike.
It is also very complicated to have Scrooge as young adult in 1879, but he doesn't turn 75 until 1955. Actually, Scrooge turning 75 in 1955 is problematic to Barks's work in other aspects, too, as Barks also had Scrooge play football at Webfoot Tech (the name Webfoot Tech indicates a college) in the 1880's, as per September Scrimmage. If Scrooge was born in 1880, which he would have had to have been in order to turn 75 in 1955, he played college football at age 9 at the oldest! I believe Barks also had specific references to Scrooge prospecting and cowpunching in the 1880's, yet again making things very complicated.
We could try to fix this issue in a few ways. One of them is to just see the Watt an Occasion story as a canon outlier and ignore it. Another is to assume that some sort of time travel is involved. Perhaps Scrooge was born in 1880 and somehow time-traveled way back to circa 1879, allowing him to be born in 1880 and still be a young adult in 1879 and the following decade. I would assume this time-traveling took place in the 1890's or, possibly, the early 1900's. We could also hypothesize that Scrooge was simply lying about his age in 1955 and is actually much older. This is probably one of the simplest explanations, though I'm not sure why he would lie. Have there been any stories that showed Scrooge to be sensitive about his age? I can't really think of anything at the moment, but it wouldn't surprise if there's something like that out there. The final explanation I can think is to free ourselves of the "it all takes place when it was released" rule and arrange a timeline that would allow Watt an Occasion to come before Voodoo Hoodoo in the timeline.
Another potential problem that arises from the "it all takes place when it was released" rule is Huey, Dewey, and Louie's ages. The thread "Whatever's reviews: Year 2100" attempts to finds solutions to this, but none of them, save for Hector 's "fairy godmother" theory, which, while intriguing, has, as far as I'm aware, no evidence for it, manage to explain why the boys would either be in or out of Kindergarten by Barks's Crazy Quiz Show in 1948, but still be in Kindergarten in Barks's Want to Buy an Island? in 1959, 11 years later. What I'm trying to say is that while there are very good and reasonable explanations for why HDL haven't aged, there's not much there to explain their schooling situation. If you break free of the "it all takes place when it was released" rule, these problems fix themselves, as the timeline is now based on in-story evidence instead of release date, meaning that Want to Buy an Island? and Crazy Quiz Show can now take place in the same year, instead of 11 years apart.
Of course, none of that is too relevant, since you want to know the story of Scrooge not his nephews. My point was to highlight the problems of the "it all takes place when it was released" rule, which complicates the Scrooge timeline, which is relevant to this thread.
Yes, i don't like the idea that stories are set in the year they are released. I like to "throw" every story i can between the years 1946 and 1953. If a story is confirmed to be set after 1953 (Like Rosa's A Letter from Home, which is set in 1955), i don't consider them as canonical to my personal Duckverse. This is mainly because of HDL. If they didn't existed or weren't regular characters, i would have no problem in extending the timeline of my headcanon up until the 1960's
Yes, i don't like the idea that stories are set in the year they are released. I like to "throw" every story i can between the years 1946 and 1953. If a story is confirmed to be set after 1953 (Like Rosa's A Letter from Home, which is set in 1955), i don't consider them as canonical to my personal Duckverse. This is mainly because of HDL. If they didn't existed or weren't regular characters, i would have no problem in extending the timeline of my headcanon up until the 1960's
I have a similar approach, though I'm willing to stretch things out to circa 1956 or so. Is A Letter From Home explicitly set in 1955? I've read that before, but I can't find anything to back that up. Did Rosa say it in one of his commentaries? The story itself states that he has been "nearly 25 years" since Matilda last saw Scrooge. Matilda and Scrooge's last meeting is commonly cited to be 1930, based on The Empire-Builder From Calisota. However, that would, to me, imply that the story does not take place in 1955, perhaps taking place in 1954 or 1953 instead, thus "nearly 25 years" as opposed to "25 years". In the brief flashback to Matilda and Scrooge's last meeting in A Letter From Home itself, a graph can be seen with the date "1932" on it, implying Scrooge and Matilda last met in 1932. Based on that, A Letter From Home would accordingly take place somewhere from 1955 to 1957 (23 to 25 years after 1932).
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