Brazilian "Pirate Gold"?

[Scrooge MacDuck]

It seems every time we look again a new version of the inevitable Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold plot has materialized, this time in the Brazilian Mickey #55 from 1957, drawn by Luis Destuet, and featuring the Beagle Boys and Scrooge on top of Donald, HDL and Peg-Leg Pete! As near I can tell, it's a pretty distant adaptation of the plot, but some of the beats (like slapstick hijinks on the boat with a disguised Pete) are still recognizable.

The fact that yellow Beak starts out inside a cage may also point at a direct relation with the Peter Pan version of the same plot, though I suppose it's not too much of a stretch for two separate writers to think of putting their parrot characters in such a position. 



For rather inexplicable reasons, the story is not indexed individually on INDUCKS, instead apparing as a big ol'question mark on the issue's page. Know anything about that, cacou ?

[joetorcivia]

WOW!

I guess Yellow Beak was caged because he was a bird - less evolved from his "Parrot State" than Donald and the boys are from their "Duck State", but more evolved than Pluto is to Goofy from his "Dog State"?

It would probably be too much to ask of the gods (or The Great Gazoo) to have this published in the USA - and to let me dialogue it - as a companion piece to "Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold Again"!

Not being by a "Disney Master", I suppose there's no hope of seeing it from Fantagraphics!



-- Carl Barks didn't write "Fresh and Modern"... He wrote WELL!

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 1, 2019 16:06:22 GMT joetorcivia said:

I guess Yellow Beak was caged because he was a bird - less evolved from his "Parrot State" than Donald and the boys are from their "Duck State", but more evolved than Pluto is to Goofy from his "Dog State"? 

Yeah… even in the Hannagh/Barks story, he doesn't seem quite as anthropomorphic as the rest of the cast. He seems to be around the same level as Ellsworth and Ellroy: no one bats an eyelid at him taking part in human activities (as I think they would for Chip'n'Dale, who are "a notch below"), but everyone is nevertheless keenly aware that he's a parrot, in a way that only Pete ever seems to evidence when dealing with Donald or Mickey. 

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Aug 1, 2019 16:48:30 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Aug 1, 2019 16:06:22 GMT joetorcivia said:

I guess Yellow Beak was caged because he was a bird - less evolved from his "Parrot State" than Donald and the boys are from their "Duck State", but more evolved than Pluto is to Goofy from his "Dog State"? 

Yeah… even in the Hannagh/Barks story, he doesn't seem quite as anthropomorphic as the rest of the cast. He seems to be around the same level as Ellsworth and Ellroy: no one bats an eyelid at him taking part in human activities (as I think they would for Chip'n'Dale, who are "a notch below"), but everyone is nevertheless keenly aware that he's a parrot, in a way that only Pete ever seems to evidence when dealing with Donald or Mickey. 

I guess that would be an MEAS level-3.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 1, 2019 16:51:25 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

I guess that would be an MEAS level-3.

Sort of; but I feel there is a distinction between MEAS-3 characters in a wholly MEAS-3 environment — where the human-like activities in which they participate are all carried out by characters of their own levels — and characters like Ellsworth and Yellow-Beak who seem integrated in an MEAS-4 environment. 

[Ramapith]

Aug 1, 2019 9:27:44 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

It seems every time we look again a new version of the inevitable Donald Duck Finds Pirate Gold plot has materialized, this time in the Brazilian Mickey #55 from 1957, drawn by Luis Destuet, and featuring the Beagle Boys and Scrooge on top of Donald, HDL and Peg-Leg Pete! As near I can tell, it's a pretty distant adaptation of the plot, but some of the beats (like slapstick hijinks on the boat with a disguised Pete) are still recognizable.

This is a new one on me, too! But—it's quite evident that when Donald first sees Yellow Beak, he recognizes him and addresses him by name: "Bico Amarelo," literally Yellow Beak. So this is formally a sequel, not a retelling of the original.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

I suppose it is a sequel, yes. (Ah, would that I spoke Portuguese, 'twould be ever so convenient.) Still, those two things aren't contradictory — Rosa's Super Snooper is arguably both a remake and a sequel, for example. 

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Aug 1, 2019 18:45:24 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Still, those two things aren't contradictory — Rosa's Super Snooper is arguably both a remake and a sequel, for example. 

Also like The Force Awakens (sorry, couldn't resist). 

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Aug 1, 2019 16:59:46 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Sort of; but I feel there is a distinction between MEAS-3 characters in a wholly MEAS-3 environment — where the human-like activities in which they participate are all carried out by characters of their own levels — and characters like Ellsworth and Yellow-Beak who seem integrated in an MEAS-4 environment. 

I think "MEAS-3 characters in a wholly MEAS-3 environment" would actually be a subtype of MEAS-2, since there is no interaction with humans or human stand-ins (MEAS-4bs); where such interaction occurs, the characters immediately become MEAS-3s. But I see your point; for example, I wouldn't put the very animal-like Lady and the Tramp cast and the far more anthropomrphic Chip N' Dale Rescue Rangers cast in the exact same category, although by the above criteria they would be (yes, I know that in CDRR, the animals talk to Nimnul, but for the most part they don't interact with humans). So perhaps there should be a division between MEAS-2as (animal-like, no use of tools, no props or clothing), and 2bs (more anthropomorphic, and who display all those characteristics or qualities). Yellowbeak would be MEAS-3, since he interacts with MEAS-4s and is treated as an "intelligent animal" rather than as a human being. 

[joetorcivia]

Humans have been caged by superior societies who did not comprehend (or care) who or what they were - from Planet of the Apes, to Star Trek and Lost in Space, to Jack Kirby's KAMANDI!

Yellow Beak's unfortunate predicament may just be another such occurrence! He's STILL a "parrot", after all!



-- Carl Barks didn't write "Fresh and Modern"... He wrote WELL!

[thadwell]

Got a link to the whole story?

[Mesterius]

Aug 1, 2019 18:45:24 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

I suppose it is a sequel, yes. (Ah, would that I spoke Portuguese, 'twould be ever so convenient.) Still, those two things aren't contradictory — Rosa's Super Snooper is arguably both a remake and a sequel, for example. 

I have always seen the word "remake" as implying a redo from scratch. Rosa's story has direct references to the original Super Snooper story and is clearly a continuation of it. So I can't really see it as a "remake", regardless of how much the story structure mirrors the original.

[crazycatlord]

-Donald, I want to talk with you.
-Hã?
-Me, here.
-Yellow Beak, what you are doing here?
-When I was to see you [or him?], the owner of the shop catch me and put me for sale; I have a map of a fabulous treasure.

Clearly a sequel; and Yellow Beak seems a mixed anthropomorhpic level, where he can be walking in the street to meet Donald, but can be catched by someone and being put in a cage in an animal shop

[The KKM]

The art seems to be trying to mimic late-era Tagliaferro, which was often reprinted in Brazil as filler in the magazines. Interesting.

[Mesterius]

Aug 1, 2019 22:57:50 GMT The KKM said:

The art seems to be trying to mimic late-era Tagliaferro, which was often reprinted in Brazil as filler in the magazines. Interesting.

Several early Italian artists did the same.