So, Calisota may not be a real "State" in USA, but, instead, a Commonwealth (like Puerto Rico), but with a different treaty, that provides them with different powers (including their own international relations). It is also unlike the protectorate relationship USA has with The Navajo Nation, in which USA handles their international agreements and provides international military protection.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Jul 20, 2016 21:53:28 GMT
Jul 20, 2016 6:58:58 GMT -4 RobbK1 said: But, Duck County, a political division within Calisota, as are Goose Egg County, Webfoot County, Goose County and others, also has its own laws. Within Duck County, all its cities have their own city laws (Duckburg, Hentown, Catville, Pickleburg, Duckville, etc.). Within Duckburg (City), there are districts (Downtown (centre), South Duckburg, North Duckburg, Shacktown, etc.). But the districts do NOT have their own laws. So, there are 4 levels of government in Duckburg (Federal - USA), (State - Calisota), (County - Duck County), and city - (City of Duckburg).
I always thought that Duckburg was in Webfoot County? Not sure if that name came from Barks. I vastly prefer "Webfoot County". I think the name "Duck" is overused in the ...um ... Duck Universe.
Jul 20, 2016 5:03:44 GMT -4 RobbK1 said: Yes, Carl, himself, told ME (as well) that he considered Donald to have the age of a late teenager. But, when I made the argument I laid out above, he gave in and stated that he really meant that Donald had the "MENTAL AGE of 15 or 16). I don't think Barks wanted to go against Disney's quest for "decency" in their comic book stories. He knew that Disney would not have wanted it implied that a late teenager was allowed by local government officials to operate as a de facto "parent" to little children.
So Barks made an infeasible comment about Donald's age, one at odds with his own body of work, and then backtracked when faced with the facts. I believe he did that on many occasions (with regards to familial relations, mainly). Barks tended to have a frustratingly cavalier off-page attitude towards even basic continuity in the universe he almost solely created (a "Duckburgian embassy" is another example of that). Which is why some have suggested that anything Barks publicly (or privately) said or wrote but didn't publish is not canon. The implication of this is that even the much-cited Barks-penned Duck family tree (including Scrooge's sisters who, despite having been named in the tree, are essentially Rosa characters) can be easily discarded without violating Barks' internal continuity. So Robb would be well within his rights to give Scrooge different sisters, or make Donald Scrooge's grandnephew or the son of his cousin, and still be faithful to Barks.
Jul 20, 2016 5:03:44 GMT -4 RobbK1 said: The readers can decide whether or not Fergus would have paid money for Scrooge to go to school (as Rosa showed him telling Scrooge that he was the family's ONE CHANCE to escape poverty).
I have to admit I'm a little surprised at how liberally you have been referring to Rosa's work on this thread. I seem to recall that in the past, you tended not to give it too much importance when writing your stories, and that you said you haven't really read much of it.
Those impressions you've got of my stance on Rosa's work are true. But, I am doing this story for Egmont, and their basic policy is to not conflict with Rosa's history of The Ducks and McDucks. So, I must follow that rule in this case.
Yes, Barks had created his own controversy, placing Duckburg in Webfoot County once, and in Duck County twice (I believe) - at least once, for sure. I assume that "Duck County" is the more llkely to be correct.
Jul 20, 2016 5:03:44 GMT -4 RobbK1 said: The readers can decide whether or not Fergus would have paid money for Scrooge to go to school (as Rosa showed him telling Scrooge that he was the family's ONE CHANCE to escape poverty).
I have to admit I'm a little surprised at how liberally you have been referring to Rosa's work on this thread. I seem to recall that in the past, you tended not to give it too much importance when writing your stories, and that you said you haven't really read much of it.
Well, no, but this time, Robb is working into a period that only Rosa has explored before.
Although this thread has been silent for quite a while now, I thought that, on the topic of Scrooge going to school, it would be worth mentioning that I came across a Tony Strobl one-pager from December, 1961 that features Scrooge's old classmate, Quacker Gander: coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+US+++36-07&search=quacker%20gander .
Also, as recently discussed on the forum, in Carl Barks's "September Scrimage", it is implied that Scrooge attended "Webfoot Tech" in the 1880s .
Are there anything like an elementary school back in those days? I have an impression that most of the kids from wealthy families at that time had a tutor, while working class children began to work at 7 or 8. I knew Hitler went to primary school, but that's much later.
Are there anything like an elementary school back in those days? I have an impression that most of the kids from wealthy families at that time had a tutor, while working class children began to work at 7 or 8. I knew Hitler went to primary school, but that's much later.
There was elementary public school in Scotland in the 1880s. My Grandparents went to public elementary school in The Netherlands (Den Haag) during the 1880s. My grandfather and uncles attended through 8th year (14 years old), when they stopped to go to work, full time, in their parents' businesses. Poorer kids probably quit earlier (age 12?). My grandfather and uncles had worked part-time while attending school, after school hours and on Sundays. My grandmothers and aunts quit school a couple years earlier to help their mothers at home, but also to work in their parents' shops. Scrooge could have attended school from age 5 or 6 until 11 or 12, or so.
The Education Act of 1872 (Scotland) established 1000 regional school boards in Scotland taking over thousands of local church schools, in order to provide education to children of the poor. Elementary school became mandatory. Scrooge could easily have attended one of those schools from age 5 through 11 or 12. He still could have gathered firewood after school. I believe that the hours were shorter then, perhaps ending at 13:30.
Although this thread has been silent for quite a while now, I thought that, on the topic of Scrooge going to school, it would be worth mentioning that I came across a Tony Strobl one-pager from December, 1961 that features Scrooge's old classmate, Quacker Gander: coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=W+US+++36-07&search=quacker%20gander .
Very interesting! Could Quacker be related to Gladstone? He may be a brother of Goosetave, with both leaving Scotland for Duckburg at some point after 1902.
Very interesting! Could Quacker be related to Gladstone? He may be a brother of Goosetave, with both leaving Scotland for Duckburg at some point after 1902.
Although I don't think this was the author's intention, I thought that he could be a relation of Gladstone, too. Maybe his grandfather or uncle or so.
Although his name is not exactly original, I do like Quacker Gander's character design. Looks like some sort of Gus Goose/Gladstone Gander/Uncle Scrooge- hybrid
Yes, my story will likely talk about Scrooge's age of 6-10 in elementary school. So, that shouldn't be a problem. Flashback panel views will appear.
In addition, Scrooge could have also attended elementary school from the ages of 10 to 12, and still gathered firewood in the afternoons. I believe that the earliest I saw Rosa refer to Scrooge traveling across the ocean to seek his fortune, was the age of 13. I really doubt that young boys, who had a father at home, and a stable household, traveled alone at age 13, to go seek their fortune.
If they had a decent relationship with their whole family and their fathers, they'd likely have stayed at home, and worked to help earn income for the family, and not left until being 16 years of age. At 13, a boy would be terribly vulnerable to unscrupulous and mean men. He couldn't protect himself physically, and wouldn't know enough about The World to avoid all the dangers. I traveled alone all across Europe and even to Turkey and Morocco at age 17. I can imagine having done that at 16, if I'd have had to. But doing that at 13 would likely have resulted in disaster.
You have to remember that in the 19th century you were considered to be an adult at age 13, and were expected to get a job, especially if you came from a poor family. 13 was probably one of the most common ages to get hire at a ship. This remained so for many decades, my own grandfather signed up with a ship at that age, along with many of his contemporaries, in the thirties.
Yes, my story will likely talk about Scrooge's age of 6-10 in elementary school. So, that shouldn't be a problem. Flashback panel views will appear.
In addition, Scrooge could have also attended elementary school from the ages of 10 to 12, and still gathered firewood in the afternoons. I believe that the earliest I saw Rosa refer to Scrooge traveling across the ocean to seek his fortune, was the age of 13. I really doubt that young boys, who had a father at home, and a stable household, traveled alone at age 13, to go seek their fortune.
If they had a decent relationship with their whole family and their fathers, they'd likely have stayed at home, and worked to help earn income for the family, and not left until being 16 years of age. At 13, a boy would be terribly vulnerable to unscrupulous and mean men. He couldn't protect himself physically, and wouldn't know enough about The World to avoid all the dangers. I traveled alone all across Europe and even to Turkey and Morocco at age 17. I can imagine having done that at 16, if I'd have had to. But doing that at 13 would likely have resulted in disaster.
You have to remember that in the 19th century you were considered to be an adult at age 13, and were expected to get a job, especially if you came from a poor family. 13 was probably one of the most common ages to get hire at a ship. This remained so for many decades, my own grandfather signed up with a ship at that age, along with many of his contemporaries, in the thirties.
I know about all that. But getting one's first job as a cabin boy on a ship was NOT the same thing as just using that contracted cabin boy apprentice position as a single voyage way to get from Europe to America, and then deserting that ship in America to go off on one's own, at the vulnerable age of 13, to seek one's fortune. Being a cabin boy was a relatively protected situation, in which he was contracted ('sold" by his father to the ship owner or captain), for a period (several years), to learn to be a sailor. Who, possibly at 16, could then become an independent sailor in that nation's navy, merchant marine, or become a free agent sailor, to sign on with any private ship. It is a LOT different for a small boy at 13 years old, with little musculature, and little life experience, to fend for himself in a World full of much stronger, much more knowledgeable, much more experienced, much more dangerous adult men. The cabin boy, sailing with a ship, would be protected by the Captain, officers, and several if not most or all the sailors, who were his shipmates. I don't believe it is realistic for a boy of 13 to survive on his own, running around a continent, building up great wealth competing for it against adult men (especially those who go after wealth and power gained the easy and quick way, rather than through building a career).
WvH: How old would you estimate Donald? Barks: He's kind of hard to gauge. I would say he's a teenager. Jippes and WvH (highly surprised): Really? WvH: I would have said he was in his mid-twenties... Jippes: He's an adult! Barks: To me, Donald is more like a 15- or 16-year-old, who is suddenly confronted with all kind of responsibilities that he isn't ready for yet. He owns a house, has to bring up his nephews, go to work, but completely lacks the experience to know how. Jippes: Most people see Donald and the nephews as a single-parent family, with Donald as the 25- or 30-year-old parent, but the way you look at it, Donald's more of an older brother to the nephews. Maybe that's why they can be so mean to one another...
Wait, I discover only now this, and I am highly surprised, like Jippes and WvH
Barks saw Donald as a teenager? So we always get those stories wrong? Maybe Barks was a bit projecting on Donald his own life experience in this interview. I really cannot imaging Barks's Donald younger than 27!
