Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Oct 30, 2019 15:55:58 GMT
Rosa always said he was writing his Duck stories for adults, and many of his jokes reflect that. There's been a lot of discussion about the subtle mature humor in "Prisoner of White Agony Creek" ("between the legs", "not a hanging offense", snow melting off the cabin roof), but he manged to slip one into "The Three Caballeros Ride Again" too ...
Admittedly this will probably go over the head of any kids reading it, but it's surprising what he was able to get away with. Did any other Disney writers attempt anything similar?
(euphemistic) To change into clothes that are suitable to be stripped off by a lover.
Also, this 23-page thread of the Papersera forum is about Disney character and sexuality.
Unrelated trivia: in the definitive version of "The Three Caballeros Ride Again" from the Don Rosa Library, the masked hero doesn't have the parody name "El Pollo" anymore and is instead called Zorro, like the actual classic TV show of the 1950s:
Last Edit: Oct 30, 2019 16:36:27 GMT by drakeborough
Interesting find, but also: is Donald reading a "Walt Disney's Comics & Stories" issue?
Yes, with Mickey on the cover. I remember this strip being posted in the context of a discussion of fourth wall-breaking, or Mickey's status in the Duckverse or some such.
Come to think of it, a lot of the jokes in the late Taliaferro years of the Donald Duck strip were aimed at at least a teenage audience, with jokes that might be more common in Archie comics, such as Donald ogling scantily clad women, Scrooge attempting to impress much younger women with his wealth, Grandma freaking out about Daisy's short skirt, etc. My question about the above strip, though, is this: what exactly were Daisy's motivations? She seems upset that Donald isn't paying attention to her, so she attempts to initiate foreplay, only to ... what? Leave Donald hanging? If she's not interested in being intimate, why not just go to bed alone? Or did she expect Donald to join her in bed? Or did she just forget and fall asleep? Maybe this strip also belongs in the "Jokes you just don't get" thread.
I expect that's the idea, yes. She was upset that Donald was more interested in Mickey Mouse comics than in her, so she gave some strong hints that she was going off to undress and he ought to follow her. She waited and waited, lying on the bed, and ended up falling asleep.
Interesting find, but also: is Donald reading a "Walt Disney's Comics & Stories" issue?
Yes, with Mickey on the cover. I remember this strip being posted in the context of a discussion of fourth wall-breaking, or Mickey's status in the Duckverse or some such.
I posted this strip back in July 2017 in the thread Stories you consider canon in Barks/Rosa universe, and the reason I had become aware of it in the first place is that I had used Inducks' search engine to see if Taliaferro had ever drawn Mickey itself in the Donald strip in addition to Mickey's co-stars. The answer is that he didn't, ecept for this strip in which he only appears in the cover of a comic book.
Barks' solo Mickey story ("The Riddle of the Red Hat") had no reference to the Duck characters, so it doesn't make the co-existence of Mickey and Donald in the same universe canon. Rosa has been clear that Mickey does not exist in his universe except as a fictional character ("Star Struck Duck" would have made Mickey a celebrity but it was never completed or published; even if it had been, it portrays a different relationship between Donald and Mickey than the one you envision and which exists in the story you are citing above). So Mickey Mouse does not exist in the true sense in Rosa canon.
Fun fact: after Taliaferro was asked to stop using the characters from Mickey's strips, he apparently regarded said character as fictional inside the Duck world, in a case of "ante litteram Rosa" attitude. I am thinking of the strip of November 15, 1948:
I also thought about the same, but it's still an interesting case, given how the comic Donald is reading only features Mickey, and the strip is from a period in which characters from the Mouse universe have long been banned from Donad's stip.
By the way, it's fun how Karp and Taliaferro got away with using such a gag.
Come to think of it, a lot of the jokes in the late Taliaferro years of the Donald Duck strip were aimed at at least a teenage audience, with jokes that might be more common in Archie comics, such as Donald ogling scantily clad women, Scrooge attempting to impress much younger women with his wealth, Grandma freaking out about Daisy's short skirt, etc. My question about the above strip, though, is this: what exactly were Daisy's motivations? She seems upset that Donald isn't paying attention to her, so she attempts to initiate foreplay, only to ... what? Leave Donald hanging? If she's not interested in being intimate, why not just go to bed alone? Or did she expect Donald to join her in bed? Or did she just forget and fall asleep? Maybe this strip also belongs in the "Jokes you just don't get" thread.
I guess that she wanted to teach him a lesson, so she let him feel ignored like he must have felt earlier when he wasn't paying attention to her.
I expect that's the idea, yes. She was upset that Donald was more interested in Mickey Mouse comics than in her, so she gave some strong hints that she was going off to undress and he ought to follow her. She waited and waited, lying on the bed, and ended up falling asleep.
That's also another possibility. Maybe she thought that he would have joined her on the bed, while he thought that she was going to join him on the sofa, and they both waited in vain for each other.
Unrelated trivia: in the definitive version of "The Three Caballeros Ride Again" from the Don Rosa Library, the masked hero doesn't have the parody name "El Pollo" anymore and is instead called Zorro, like the actual classic TV show of the 1950s:
Huh. Why did they drop the t's at the end of words like "must" and "don't" in the definitive version? Was that Rosa's original intent? If so, why were they added in the first place?
I expect that's the idea, yes. She was upset that Donald was more interested in Mickey Mouse comics than in her, so she gave some strong hints that she was going off to undress and he ought to follow her. She waited and waited, lying on the bed, and ended up falling asleep.
That's also another possibility. Maybe she thought that he would have joined her on the bed, while he thought that she was going to join him on the sofa, and they both waited in vain for each other.
That isn't very funny though. Another possibility, the most likely one now that I think about it, is that Daisy was playing the somewhat misogynistic stereotypical role of "woman who wants to always be the center of attention, but then plays hard-to-get when the man gets interested". It would be in keeping with her character, even in many early Barks stories.
Huh. Why did they drop the t's at the end of words like "must" and "don't" in the definitive version? Was that Rosa's original intent? If so, why were they added in the first place?
I don't know... maybe it's to represent the characters' accent? After all, the story takes place in Mexico.
That isn't very funny though. Another possibility, the most likely one now that I think about it, is that Daisy was playing the somewhat misogynistic stereotypical role of "woman who wants to always be the center of attention, but then plays hard-to-get when the man gets interested". It would be in keeping with her character, even in many early Barks stories.
Yes, it would't be super funny, though it would be a variation of the clichè of people apparently missing each other after they arranged a meeting, each one thinking that the other person didn't came, when in fact they were both there but didn't meet for a misunderstanding, like if they are on the opposite sides on a column.
By the way, what do you think about my first suggestion, that she simply wanted to teach Donald a lession about the consequences of not paying attention to your partner?
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Oct 30, 2019 21:51:50 GMT
I still think the joke is that Donald *doesn't* understand Daisy's naughty intentions, took her at face value, and is thinking "she sure is taking a long time to put on a bloody dress. why's she even changing at a random time of the day like that? WIMMEN, I tellsja".
I still think the joke is that Donald *doesn't* understand Daisy's naughty intentions, took her at face value, and is thinking "she sure is taking a long time to put on a bloody dress. why's she even changing at a random time of the day like that? WIMMEN, I tellsja".
Yes, his unexcited, "Sure, go ahead!", not even taking his eyes off the comic, would suggest that, but then he puts his book down and awaits her return, as if he knew there was something significant about to happen.
And do Donald and Daisy live together in this strip? Or maybe one of them is staying the night at the other's? Regardless, that's a pretty adult situation (although again, young children may miss its implications).
Fer gosh sakes, guys, the joke of the Taliaferro strip is not all that hard to get: Daisy is peeved at Donald for the lack of attention, gives Donald the "something more comfortable" line in order to make him think she's going to come back dressed in something alluring, then actually does change into something genuinely "comfortable"--her sleepwear, and goes to bed, leaving him to fret. In other words, it's a play on the euphemistic and the actual meanings of "comfortable"
Fer gosh sakes, guys, the joke of the Taliaferro strip is not all that hard to get: Daisy is peeved at Donald for the lack of attention, gives Donald the "something more comfortable" line in order to make him think she's going to come back dressed in something alluring, then actually does change into something genuinely "comfortable"--her sleepwear, and goes to bed, leaving him to fret. In other words, it's a play on the euphemistic and the actual meanings of "comfortable"
That's totally logic. It's similar to what I wrote...
I guess that she wanted to teach him a lesson, so she let him feel ignored like he must have felt earlier when he wasn't paying attention to her.
... and yet the way you eplained it makes more sense. And like I was going to say in that message before I decided to shorten it, the situation reminds me of what TV Tropes wrote on the page Slip into Something More Comfortable:
Parodies of this are also frequent, where "something more comfortable" may mean sweats, a sweater and jeans, or any other sort of comfy-but-unsexy attire.
The line above also contains a link to another TV Tropes article, Literal Metaphor.