Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Nov 7, 2019 15:53:31 GMT
If Grandma makes a reference to "her" grandparents rather than "ours", the French translation, at least, seems to be arguing against Scrooge and Grandma being siblings. It'd be interesting to see what the other versions of the story did with all this.
No, no, there was more than that, and scans. (When I said "this forum", I meant "Feathery", not the DCF.)
I believe I just posted a picture of the cousin Amanda/Mathilde, for someone who wanted the picture for their family tree. But I have a continuing problem with the search engine on this forum--I cannot for some reason search successfully for my own posts! Isn't "Matilda" my username? When I put that in the "select who" box, I get the message "no results found." Clearly I'm doing something wrong.
I tried searching for myself and other existing members using the "select who" function and got "no results found" every time. So apparently that function just doesn't work. I never really tried that before. You can browse a certain number of your posts under the Profile--> Summary-->View this member's recent posts (mine goes up to a little under two years' worth).
If Grandma makes a reference to "her" grandparents rather than "ours", the French translation, at least, seems to be arguing against Scrooge and Grandma being siblings. It'd be interesting to see what the other versions of the story did with all this.
No, I wasn't clear enough. It's her/Amanda's grandparents who are not "our" grandparents. The point is that Amanda's grandparents referred to in the story's backstory are not also Elvira's (and Scrooge's) grandparents, not that Elvira's are not Scrooge's. So it's Amanda's *other* set of grandparents, not the set she shares according to this story with both Scrooge and Elvira.
I believe I just posted a picture of the cousin Amanda/Mathilde, for someone who wanted the picture for their family tree. But I have a continuing problem with the search engine on this forum--I cannot for some reason search successfully for my own posts! Isn't "Matilda" my username? When I put that in the "select who" box, I get the message "no results found." Clearly I'm doing something wrong.
I tried searching for myself and other existing members using the "select who" function and got "no results found" every time. So apparently that function just doesn't work. I never really tried that before. You can browse a certain number of your posts under the Profile--> Summary-->View this member's recent posts (mine goes up to a little under two years' worth).
I believe I just posted a picture of the cousin Amanda/Mathilde, for someone who wanted the picture for their family tree. But I have a continuing problem with the search engine on this forum--I cannot for some reason search successfully for my own posts! Isn't "Matilda" my username? When I put that in the "select who" box, I get the message "no results found." Clearly I'm doing something wrong.
I tried searching for myself and other existing members using the "select who" function and got "no results found" every time. So apparently that function just doesn't work. I never really tried that before. You can browse a certain number of your posts under the Profile--> Summary-->View this member's recent posts (mine goes up to a little under two years' worth).
You're right - that's quite odd, because it definitely used to work. I've used it in the past. I wonder what caused it to stop working properly?
That said, I believe I read somewhere that Rosa had been planning to use her in future stories, if he hadn't retired. Can anyone confirm this?
I only found this DCML quote from 17 October 2003 about the yet-to-be-published "A Letter from Home":
> From: "Michiel Prior" <M.J.Prior at let.rug.nl> > Subject: Question to Don Rosa > Now that you have 'established' Matilda McDuck as a 'present-day- > character', do you have any plans to use her as a mouthpiece for > Lo$-B-stories? I was thinking of tales from the 'Lo$ 11B'-period, > when $crooge gradually looses contact with his family.
That's an interesting idea, but I doubt that I'll try it. First of all, the interfamily relationships that I deal with in "A Letter from Home" seemed so *boring* to me that I'll be gun-shy of attempting that again. The problem was that I can't touch lightly on such important matters... if I was to address them, I had to go full-throttle, and that really bogged down the tale. Aside from that, I didn't think that $crooge "gradually" lost contact with his family after chapter 11 of my "Lo$" -- I saw that as a clean break for the next 15 years, 25 years as regards Matilda, and *forever* as regards Hortense whom I am not allowed to reintroduce due to the difficulty in explaining where she's been. Now, if I was turning out stories at high speed like Barks or others could, I think I'd be more apt to get back into this "family relations" subject. But I feel like I do so pitifully few stories that I've probably spent all the time I can afford on that subject in "A Letter from Home". (And when you see it, you might agree!)
Of course, we know that after "A Letter from Home" Rosa only created three more stories before announcing his retirement.
Personally, I don't really care for the idea of Ludwig on Drake and Matilda McDuck marrying. The Professor is such an egotistical person that it's hard for me to imagine that Matilda would like him too much. I feel like she'd be annoyed with him, not in love with him. Plus, my impression from The Invader of Fort Duckburg is that Matilda and Hortense are both more attracted to the rugged, American cowboy type as opposed to the European scholar type. You could argue that was just a phase or something, but I feel like it would just be more faithful to Matilda's character to find her a more rural type for a husband.
What do you think of the description below?
"[...] But even scholars have a twin soul. So, between an adventure and an enigma, Ludwig won and married Matilda, Scrooge's sister, capable of seeing over the smokescreen of his speeches the timid, tender and discreet charm of the scholar".
I have translated it from a character profile for Ludwig, written by Alberto Becattini, which appeared in Italy's biggest newspaper (Corriere della Sera) on 4 April 2005. Not sure if it will change anyone's mind, but I wanted to share it because I find it a cute image.
Personally, I don't really care for the idea of Ludwig on Drake and Matilda McDuck marrying. The Professor is such an egotistical person that it's hard for me to imagine that Matilda would like him too much. I feel like she'd be annoyed with him, not in love with him. Plus, my impression from The Invader of Fort Duckburg is that Matilda and Hortense are both more attracted to the rugged, American cowboy type as opposed to the European scholar type. You could argue that was just a phase or something, but I feel like it would just be more faithful to Matilda's character to find her a more rural type for a husband.
What do you think of the description below?
"[...] But even scholars have a twin soul. So, between an adventure and an enigma, Ludwig won and married Matilda, Scrooge's sister, capable of seeing over the smokescreen of his speeches the timid, tender and discreet charm of the scholar".
I have translated it from a character profile for Ludwig, written by Alberto Becattini, which appeared in Italy's biggest newspaper (Corriere della Sera) on 4 April 2005. Not sure if it will change anyone's mind, but I wanted to share it because I find it a cute image.
You had posted that quote on another thread. As I said there, it's well-written, but doesn't overrule all the other objections I've put forth numerous times with regard to the Ludwig-Matilda pairing.
You had posted that quote on another thread. As I said there, it's well-written, but doesn't overrule all the other objections I've put forth numerous times with regard to the Ludwig-Matilda pairing.
Yeah, I remember it since I copied the translation rather than re-translating it from scratch. In fact, I don't think it's good to re-open this discussion again since it would be redundant to what we have already said in Ludwig's thread, however since TheMidgetMoose's objections to the idea were based on the nature of the characters rather than on facts told in stories and cartoons I thought I could share this quote with him to see what he thinks.
Personally, I don't really care for the idea of Ludwig on Drake and Matilda McDuck marrying. The Professor is such an egotistical person that it's hard for me to imagine that Matilda would like him too much. I feel like she'd be annoyed with him, not in love with him. Plus, my impression from The Invader of Fort Duckburg is that Matilda and Hortense are both more attracted to the rugged, American cowboy type as opposed to the European scholar type. You could argue that was just a phase or something, but I feel like it would just be more faithful to Matilda's character to find her a more rural type for a husband.
What do you think of the description below?
"[...] But even scholars have a twin soul. So, between an adventure and an enigma, Ludwig won and married Matilda, Scrooge's sister, capable of seeing over the smokescreen of his speeches the timid, tender and discreet charm of the scholar".
I have translated it from a character profile for Ludwig, written by Alberto Becattini, which appeared in Italy's biggest newspaper (Corriere della Sera) on 4 April 2005. Not sure if it will change anyone's mind, but I wanted to share it because I find it a cute image.
It is a cute image, but it doesn't really fit how I view Ludwig's personality. "Timid, tender, and discreet charm" sounds like the opposite of Ludwig. He seems to be much more bombastic, extroverted, and egotistical than this description makes him out to be; and this behavior doesn't seem limited to speeches or presentations. I guess what is implied is that the louder aspects of his personality are all part of a "smokescreen", but I have no evidence to lead me to that conclusion. It also doesn't change my thoughts about the canonical (well, canonical in the sense that it was officially published in a comic) evidence that Matilda is attracted to cowboys. I know that's not the strongest objection, but I guess the way I see it, if we're going to give Matilda a husband, let's give her a husband who seems a little more in line with the type of guy the Matilda of The Empire-Builder From Calisota might have pursued.
I do appreciate that you took the time to copy that and bring it to my attention. I agree that it is a nice thought, a cute image, and could make for a really nice love story. I just don't think it fits for Ludwig and Matilda specifically. I also don't object to attempts to assign a husband to Matilda, I just don't think Ludwig is the best fit. Perhaps another of Donald's numerous uncles whose exact relation to him is unknown would be a better fit.
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Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Nov 8, 2019 22:09:16 GMT
Hortense lusted after cowboys too, one could argue even more aggressively than Matilda (I actually didn't like Rosa's over-the-top portrayal of Hortense and Matilda's aggressive sexual advances), but ultimately fell for Quackmore, who doesn't seem the rugged type to me. So I wouldn't cite that as a reason to reject the Ludwig-Matilda pairing. But I agree wholeheartedly with TheMidgetMoose that Ludwig is not "tender, timid and possessing of a discreet charm". He is loud, brash, arrogant, self-important, and a braggart. Therein lies his appeal as a character, but he seems ill-suited to be married, let alone to Matilda (to whom, in fact, all those adjectives apply, except in "A Letter From Home", where we actually see Hortense-in-Matilda's-clothing). Given all the arguments against the Ludwig-Matilda marriage, and only one for it (Rosa's cavalier decision), I have a hard time accepting it. In fact, and this may be somewhat provocative, but I get the feeling that at least some who champion it do so out of loyalty to Rosa rather than a feeling that the relationship makes sense. Still, we've discussed all this in detail on other threads.
Indeed, Matilda being unmarried, especially in that era, would be unusual I suppose, but I'm not sure who we would hitch her up with.
What do you think of the description below? It also doesn't change my thoughts about the canonical (well, canonical in the sense that it was officially published in a comic) evidence that Matilda is attracted to cowboys. I know that's not the strongest objection, but I guess the way I see it, if we're going to give Matilda a husband, let's give her a husband who seems a little more in line with the type of guy the Matilda of The Empire-Builder From Calisota might have pursued.
Not only are people allowed to be attracted to a variety of people (which you implicitly acknowledge), but also, if I may… this would also belong in the Rosa's adult humor thread, perhaps, but I really don't get the impression from The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut and such that the McDuck sisters' interest in the cowboys was thoughts of long-lasting marriage. Fantasies about affairs with idealized cowboys read about in magazine serials is one thing; actually falling in love with a real person one meets is another. [/quote]
As for your shooting down the quote about Ludwig being thought of as being rather shier than he makes himself out to be underneath the bombastic exteriors… even if one agrees, all this disproves is this specific interpretation of how the Matilda-Ludwig love story would work. Could be Matilda is in fact smitted with Ludwig's self-assured bombast and endless good-natured showmanship.
("Hey! I know you! You were on television! Loved your talk on colors. I mean, I only have a black-and-white set but I loved it anyway, because, er. Well. I liked the way you talk. Er, I mean, your talk. I liked your talk. yes." …Am I being too meta?)
After all, one of the traits of the heroic cow-boys earlier spoken about is their self-assurance…