I'm not referring merely to the Prisoner of White Agony Creek scene. That unfulfilled love story he built around their relationship rendered Scrooge's life story too dark and sorrowful imo. And I don't think that was what Barks had in mind when he introduced Goldie either. Perhaps Rosa should've left Goldie as an old, unserious crush of Scrooge's that never went further than that.
I'm not referring merely to the Prisoner of White Agony Creek scene. That unfulfilled love story he built around their relationship rendered Scrooge's life story too dark and sorrowful imo. And I don't think that was what Barks had in mind when he introduced Goldie either. Perhaps Rosa should've left Goldie as an old, unserious crush of Scrooge's that never went further than that.
I kind of agree with this. Scrooge's lifelong obsession with Goldie, to the point where he had no further relationships, pines ineffectively for her and is teased for it by his nephews, and supposedly leaves everything behind to retire towards the end of his life to spend his last years with her, is sad and unrealistic to say the least. That's why I like the idea that Dickie is Goldie's granddaughter but not Scrooge's; it means that Goldie, at least, moved on as you would expect. Barks' Scrooge, on the other hand, seems to have forgotten about her completely until his "Blinkus of the Thinkus" pills brought back long-forgotten memories.
I'm not referring merely to the Prisoner of White Agony Creek scene. That unfulfilled love story he built around their relationship rendered Scrooge's life story too dark and sorrowful imo. And I don't think that was what Barks had in mind when he introduced Goldie either. Perhaps Rosa should've left Goldie as an old, unserious crush of Scrooge's that never went further than that.
I kind of agree with this. Scrooge's lifelong obsession with Goldie, to the point where he had no further relationships, pines ineffectively for her and is teased for it by his nephews, and supposedly leaves everything behind to retire towards the end of his life to spend his last years with her, is sad and unrealistic to say the least. That's why I like the idea that Dickie is Goldie's granddaughter but not Scrooge's; it means that Goldie, at least, moved on as you would expect. Barks' Scrooge, on the other hand, seems to have forgotten about her completely until his "Blinkus of the Thinkus" pills brought back long-forgotten memories.
I disagree. Rosa's Goldie represents everything Scrooge had to give up in order to be rich. It's a part of his life he will never have back, no matter how much money he is willingly to give up.
And what do you mean by "Supposedly leaves everything behind to retire towards the end of his life to spend his last years with her"?
I disagree. Rosa's Goldie represents everything Scrooge had to give up in order to be rich. It's a part of his life he will never have back, no matter how much money he is willingly to give up.
And what do you mean by "Supposedly leaves everything behind to retire towards the end of his life to spend his last years with her"?
Didn't Rosa say somewhere that that's what he believes Scrooge ultimately does?
Also, why did Scrooge have to give up Goldie in order to be rich? How would marrying her have prevented him from building his fortune?
Scrooge's lifelong obsession with Goldie, to the point where he had no further relationships.
Scrooge was not meant to have any relationships with women. As a child, I always viewed him as celibate.
Scrooge has had several relationships with women in the comics and in animation. I believe we've discussed several of them on various threads here, but here's a good place to start.
I disagree. Rosa's Goldie represents everything Scrooge had to give up in order to be rich. It's a part of his life he will never have back, no matter how much money he is willingly to give up.
And what do you mean by "Supposedly leaves everything behind to retire towards the end of his life to spend his last years with her"?
Didn't Rosa say somewhere that that's what he believes Scrooge ultimately does?
Also, why did Scrooge have to give up Goldie in order to be rich? How would marrying her have prevented him from building his fortune?
I kind of agree with this. Scrooge's lifelong obsession with Goldie, to the point where he had no further relationships, pines ineffectively for her and is teased for it by his nephews, and supposedly leaves everything behind to retire towards the end of his life to spend his last years with her, is sad and unrealistic to say the least. That's why I like the idea that Dickie is Goldie's granddaughter but not Scrooge's; it means that Goldie, at least, moved on as you would expect. Barks' Scrooge, on the other hand, seems to have forgotten about her completely until his "Blinkus of the Thinkus" pills brought back long-forgotten memories.
I disagree. Rosa's Goldie represents everything Scrooge had to give up in order to be rich. It's a part of his life he will never have back, no matter how much money he is willingly to give up.
And what do you mean by "Supposedly leaves everything behind to retire towards the end of his life to spend his last years with her"?
Exactly. I always think Rosa specifically made Scrooge struke it rich in Klondike for his reason. Klondike and Goldie represent everything that he used to have but long lost in his way to become a billionaire. You can see it from The Last Sled to Dawson.
Scrooge was not meant to have any relationships with women. As a child, I always viewed him as celibate.
Scrooge has had several relationships with women in the comics and in animation. I believe we've discussed several of them on various threads here, but here's a good place to start.
Scrooge has had several relationships with women in the comics and in animation. I believe we've discussed several of them on various threads here, but here's a good place to start.
Add Clementine Cadiddlehopper to that list.
This site hasn't been updated in years. Maybe that's why she is not there
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Nov 6, 2019 15:26:33 GMT
Again, though, I'm not sure why, even in the Rosa-verse, Scrooge had to choose between Goldie or becoming a billionaire (if that's what Rosa implies; did he?). It's not as if Goldie implicitly or explicitly stated to Scrooge that it was either her or the continued pursual of riches. In fact, by all accounts, she would have been a willing partner in the building of his fortune. Rosa showed the Scrooge-Goldie relationship as a complicated one, where both tried to undermine the other even while trying not to admit their feelings for each other. But why did they not end up together, and why don't they get together after the events of "Back to the Klondike" if they still have such strong feelings for one another?
Barks never clearly provided a reason why Scrooge and Goldie didn't end up together. Their relationship simply wasn't that significant; it seems more of a brief romance than an obsession on either one's part. DuckTales '87 attributed it to an external force (Dangerous Dan). Ironically, though DuckTales '17 completely rewrites Goldie's character and history, the Scrooge-Goldie dynamic that it presents is probably the most believable. How likely in the real-world is it that two people who meet in their thirties and both agree are "destined for each other" simply do nothing about it other than pine for each other (Scrooge much more than Goldie) for several decades, never moving on, never entering other relationships, never having families of their own? There was no contact between them until "Back to the Klondike", where Scrooge only remembers Goldie because of memory-boosting pills. This overly-romantic, obsessive, dare I say unhealthy view of their relationship that Rosa makes such a center-point of his Scrooge mythology never really appealed to me.
Post by TheMidgetMoose on Nov 6, 2019 16:05:22 GMT
I like what Rosa did with Scrooge and Goldie's relationship, though I admit that I'm very biased as Don Rosa was one of the first Disney comics authors whose stories I read, with The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck being one of the first Duck comics I ever read.
I disagree with the notion that Rosa's stories ever implied that Scrooge had to choose between Goldie or riches. I think one factor that led towards the two not staying together was Scrooge's unfamiliarity with deep, meaningful, and long-lasting relationships. How many times over the course of Life and Times does he start a friendship or relationship of any sort with someone that lasts? He leaves his parents and sisters at age 13, and A Letter From Home reveals that he rarely got letters from home. Thus, he couldn't have been to close to his closest relatives. makes friendships with folks like Ratchet Gearloose, Howard Rockerduck, and Casey Coot, but, due to the fact that he was almost always moving, none of those relationships seem to have lasted more than 4 years.
I think The Terror of the Transvaal is key here, too. Sure, Scrooge failed to make many lasting relationships during the years preceding his relationship with Goldie, but maybe he would have been more open to starting a long-term relationship with here if not for Flintheart Glomgold's betrayal. I think Terror of the Transvaal is clearly supposed a key turning point in Scrooge's life. It shows how his somewhat idealistic, boyish view of the world was flipped on its head, and he realized that even friends can turn on you in an instant. Considering the fact that Goldie is definitely not the most trustworthy person at all, I think it can be interpreted that Scrooge had this fear, stemming mostly from the Glomgold incident, that he would be betrayed. I think Scrooge has a fear of making lasting relationships only to be hurt, and I think that's a major and believable reason why he didn't pursue things further with Goldie.
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I like what Rosa did with Scrooge and Goldie's relationship, though I admit that I'm very biased as Don Rosa was one of the first Disney comics authors whose stories I read, with The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck being one of the first Duck comics I ever read.
I disagree with the notion that Rosa's stories ever implied that Scrooge had to choose between Goldie or riches. I think one factor that led towards the two not staying together was Scrooge's unfamiliarity with deep, meaningful, and long-lasting relationships. How many times over the course of Life and Times does he start a friendship or relationship of any sort with someone that lasts? He leaves his parents and sisters at age 13, and A Letter From Home reveals that he rarely got letters from home. Thus, he couldn't have been to close to his closest relatives. makes friendships with folks like Ratchet Gearloose, Howard Rockerduck, and Casey Coot, but, due to the fact that he was almost always moving, none of those relationships seem to have lasted more than 4 years.
I think The Terror of the Transvaal is key here, too. Sure, Scrooge failed to make many lasting relationships during the years preceding his relationship with Goldie, but maybe he would have been more open to starting a long-term relationship with here if not for Flintheart Glomgold's betrayal. I think Terror of the Transvaal is clearly supposed a key turning point in Scrooge's life. It shows how his somewhat idealistic, boyish view of the world was flipped on its head, and he realized that even friends can turn on you in an instant. Considering the fact that Goldie is definitely not the most trustworthy person at all, I think it can be interpreted that Scrooge had this fear, stemming mostly from the Glomgold incident, that he would be betrayed. I think Scrooge has a fear of making lasting relationships only to be hurt, and I think that's a major and believable reason why he didn't pursue things further with Goldie.
I agree with you to a large extent. As I said, I don't see how Scrooge's inability to forge a lasting relationship with Goldie has anything to do with his wealth or his desire to pursue more of it. He did not have to give anything up to be with Goldie, he's simply constitutionally incapable of deep, long-lasting relationships and is shy of commitment, and yes, does seem to be socially (or at least romantically) awkward. The scene in "A Little Something Special" where he seems terrified to see Goldie in his office, starts sweating bullets, and has his glasses fog up, is a perfect illustration of that. Really, there's nothing in Rosa's work that explains why he and Goldie did not end up together in the Yukon or after their reunion in "Back to the Klondike", other than Scrooge's own inability to let things go further. Goldie seemed to want things to go further in their youth, but I'd like to think that she ultimately realized that Scrooge wasn't going to do anything to move things along and so moved on herself, ultimately having a family of her own and a granddaughter (Paperetta/Dickie). I'm not sure I'd necessarily blame his experiences with Glomgold in the Transvaal for his love-shyness, but overall, it does make Scrooge's singular obsession with Goldie in the Rosa-verse sad and depressing; he's trapped by his own inadequacies and clings to an ideal that can't ever be achieved (because he can't let it). It's a weakness on Scrooge's part; a character flaw. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but the idea that Scrooge is not with Goldie because he chose to focus on getting rich. as was suggested in some earlier posts, doesn't hold up.
Scrooge was not meant to have any relationships with women. As a child, I always viewed him as celibate.
Scrooge has had several relationships with women in the comics and in animation. I believe we've discussed several of them on various threads here, but here's a good place to start.
Most of them are far from being classified as truly romantic relationships.