The status quo is different in the comics and the show, so one has to go after the other (if they are connected, which they weren't intended to be (but I prefer if they are)).
Well, it's also possible, if you choose to disregard the matter of the main cast not aging visibly, to assume that all pre-1990's comics happen, then Goof Troop happens, then post-1990's comics resume once Max is off to college (similar to what one can do with DuckTales), though that is admittedly not possible with Quack Pack unless you make up some very convoluted theories about Huey, Dewey and Louie getting hit with a de-aging ray.
In my head-canon, Max is born to Goofy and Glory-Bee soon after the "present" of the comics. That way, there's no need to come up with an excuse for where he is during the comics.
I guess Pete would have PJ at roughly the same time. It makes more sense if PJ is the son of Pete and Trudy. Then they maybe split up and Pete and PJ moves in with Peggy and Pistol. That way, it makes sense that another split up happens in-between Goof Troop and the movies, but only PJ stays with Pete.
Anyways, that's just the ground work for how this could work and make sense. If they did something like a "near-future" series that featured Max, that definitely sounds like something I'd be interested in. If it was done competently, I'd probably enjoy it a lot.
I can definitely see the appeal of the "PJ is a son of Pete and someone besides Peg" theory. However, I feel like it's worth pointing out that, if I'm not mistaken, the episode of Goof Troop entitled "Peg o' the Jungle" portrays Peg and Pete celebrating 20 years of marriage, which would imply that PJ is indeed the son of both Pete and Peg since he's about 11 or 12 when they have been married for 20 years. That doesn't make your theory impossible as PJ could have been born out of an affair or Peg and Pete may have briefly divorced, remarried after PJ's birth, and are celebrating 20 years since their first wedding. I also didn't double-check the episode, so it may not say what I believe it says.
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I can definitely see the appeal of the "PJ is a son of Pete and someone besides Peg" theory. However, I feel like it's worth pointing out that, if I'm not mistaken, the episode of Goof Troop entitled "Peg o' the Jungle" portrays Peg and Pete celebrating 20 years of marriage, which would imply that PJ is indeed the son of both Pete and Peg since he's about 11 or 12 when they have been married for 20 years. That doesn't make your theory impossible as PJ could have been born out of an affair or Peg and Pete may have briefly divorced, remarried after PJ's birth, and are celebrating 20 years since their first wedding. I also didn't double-check the episode, so it may not say what I believe it says.
Through the wonders of the internet, I quickly looked up Peg o' the Jungle, and sure enough - 20 years! (Though, they used the same character models for the 20 years younger Pete and Peg, so they haven't aged a day!) I haven't really seen too many Goof Troop episodes in my day, so I wasn't at all aware of this before you pointed it out. My Trudy-is-PJs-mother head-canon exists more to explain why Peggy and Pistol are gone in the movies while PJ remains, and also why PJ is of a different species than Peggy and Pistol. This is just a head-canon, which's main goal is to make sense of things, and therefore I'm perfectly happy to ignore the "20 years" line, and mentally exchange it to maybe "10".
If Goof Troop were to take place 20+ years after the comics, Pete would probably be in his 60s or 70s in the show, and that's clearly not the case.
Well, it's also possible, if you choose to disregard the matter of the main cast not aging visibly, to assume that all pre-1990's comics happen, then Goof Troop happens, then post-1990's comics resume once Max is off to college (similar to what one can do with DuckTales), though that is admittedly not possible with Quack Pack unless you make up some very convoluted theories about Huey, Dewey and Louie getting hit with a de-aging ray.
I don't like the idea that some characters (in this case Max) are allowed to age, but others aren't. The aging thing is probably my main issue with a floating timeline.
Post by Dr Ivo G Bombastus on Feb 26, 2020 18:08:44 GMT
I've always considered the Pete and Goofy of Goofy Troop to be the children of the comic continuity's characters, which would make Max comic Goofy's grandson.
I've always considered the Pete and Goofy of Goofy Troop to be the children of the comic continuity's characters, which would make Max comic Goofy's grandson.
I guess that would work timeline-wise, if one assumes that the comics take place in the 50s. However, in A Goofy Movie, Donald Duck is mentioned as that Goofy's friend; not Goofy's father's friend. Also, Donald and Mickey (this would be the comic-versions of these characters) make cameos in the movie, during the On the Open Road-song, and they both look to be their current age. But if the titular Goofy of this movie is in somewhere in his 40s, then comic-Goofy would be around 70 during the movie. So comic-Mickey and Donald should probably be in their 60s here.
Or does this theory also include Donald and Mickey having identical sons?
I just thought of one frustrating thing that makes my head spin a little. So during "the present" of the comics, HDL are around 10 years old. Max isn't in the present of the comics, so I assume that whoever his mother is gets pregnant the day after tomorrow. This would make HDL around 10 older than Max. This makes sense to me.
However, then I realized that House of Mouse shows both HDL and Max, and both of them (or rather all of them) are in their teen designs! At the same time! This would mean that, if one were to follow this and wishes to connect it to the comics, Max would have been born even before Dippy Dawg started hanging out with Mickey in the comic strips from the 30s. I don't like that. Anyways, I've never considered House of Mouse canon either, since the characters are very clearly portrayed as actors, rather than ... characters.
I've always considered the Pete and Goofy of Goofy Troop to be the children of the comic continuity's characters, which would make Max comic Goofy's grandson.
I actually like this idea a lot. The timeline fits perfectly. I know that you were more so referring to comic Goofy than animated Goofy, but the fact that Junior (Geef's kid) and Goofy/George Geef seem so close during Father's Lion and The Goofy Adventure Story really makes this idea even more appealing, since the Goofy Movie version of Goofy mentions how close he was to his dad.
I do have a problem with the theory which makes it hard for me to accept it. In my mind, Goof Troop takes place both in the same universe and around the same time as DuckTales, with this idea being based largely on Legend of the Chaos God but also on the plethora of Darkwing Duck references in Goof Troop and my belief that Darkwing Duck and DuckTales exist in the same universe. This complicates the theory for me. I don't believe that the Scrooge McDuck of the 1950's (a contemporary of Comic Goofy) is still alive in the 1980's and '90's. I've considered the idea that the Scrooge of DuckTales is some "Scrooge, Jr." figure, but even if I swallow that, I still have to convince myself that another Donald, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Magica, Flintheart, Gyro, Gladstone, and Goldie all exist and all led lives near identical to the ones their namesakes led just 35 years ago. That's just hard for me to believe, personally, though I still quite like the "Comic Goofy is Goof Troop Goofy's father" idea. I guess I'm just trying to say that I love your idea, while explaining why it's not in my headcanon.
I just thought of one frustrating thing that makes my head spin a little. So during "the present" of the comics, HDL are around 10 years old. Max isn't in the present of the comics, so I assume that whoever his mother is gets pregnant the day after tomorrow. This would make HDL around 10 older than Max. This makes sense to me.
However, then I realized that House of Mouse shows both HDL and Max, and both of them (or rather all of them) are in their teen designs! At the same time! This would mean that, if one were to follow this and wishes to connect it to the comics, Max would have been born even before Dippy Dawg started hanging out with Mickey in the comic strips from the 30s. I don't like that. Anyways, I've never considered House of Mouse canon either, since the characters are very clearly portrayed as actors, rather than ... characters.
Even worse is Mickey's Twice Upon A Christmas, which depicts an adult Max alongside still-children Huey, Dewey, and Louie. That one's confusing even if you don't try to include comics continuity. My personal theory to explain this is that the storybook frame is legitimate in-universe, and the whole film is actually just a compilation of stories about his friends that Mickey compiled at some point. I would guess the ending, the only part of the film to show adult Max and child HDL onscreen at the same time, is a bit of fiction written by Mickey in an attempt to tie his stories together and didn't really occur the way we see it.
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Post by Dr Ivo G Bombastus on Feb 27, 2020 5:13:52 GMT
With Mickey, Minnie, and at least one incarnation of Pete (Scarpa's; the original Peg-Leg Pete is a different, older character) I have a concrete idea of them not aging: when they traveled to Shangrilla it's environment youthened their appearance and permanently slowed their aging process. Thus any instance of those three characters appearing in a story set in the present day can depict the same individuals who were alive in the 30s-60s. Goofy of course did not go to Shangrilla and aged as normal; the Goofy we see in modern stories is his son, who (like all male members of Goofy's family) is identical to his father in appearance and personality.
With the Ducks, I simply conceive them as inhabiting the mid 20th century and ignore any stories that depict them in the present, for reasons that have already been said. The same logic of course must apply to Mouse stories that use the larger supporting cast who all age normally, or else those stories must be folded into the 60s.
EDIT: Also, could someone post an image of Max's cameo from this story? Does he have a speaking role here, or is he identified in any way? INDUCKS does not list Goofy as appearing here.
I remember having read this story. And I was pretty curious about it because of this alleged cameo. Well, the Goofy-like character who indeed appears is visible in one single panel and is not identified. He doesn't have a speaking role and nothing is there that makes me think he is Max (except, clearly, his appearance). Many Goofy-like characters appeared in the background of Perego's stories and many Gyro-like characters, likewise, were drawn by Bob Gregory, yet they all didn't have any relation to the main cast.
Instead, we have a real cameo of Junior (George Geef's son) in this page (last panel). How are we supposed to react to this? Is he a little Max? Is he related to Goofy at all?
Post by napoleondecheese on Jan 19, 2024 1:13:54 GMT
There's something appealing about the idea of Goofy of all the characters in the gang being the only one who 'grew up' and had a son while Mickey and Donald remain unwilling to commit and become actual family men (Donald arguably already is, but techically he'd still be obliged to let the boys go if Della ever returned to put her foot down, which is more or less what happened in Duck Tales 17).
On IDW covers, Junior appears inducks.org/story.php?c=XUC+WDC+722C inducks.org/story.php?c=XUC+DD++368E I myself have already sent information to Inducks (like this Dutch appearance) and I saw that other fans also reported, I don't consider George Jr. as Max, that's a different Goofy, a more normal man, I even remember a short film where Pete gets married.
As for Max, there's even a Dutch story where he appears.
It's difficult to talk about chronology, Dickie Duck has current stories and doesn't mention her friends from Brazilian stories, like Aracuan Bird, the same for Firmina and Urtigão's relatives, in Dutch stories there is also its own chronology in relation to José Carioca, In the Brazilian stories, Rosinha is his steady girlfriend and his friendship with Panchito is from the film, he doesn't have Señor Martinez and flies in the serapé, but in the strips, he and Zé fought over the girls.
Post by napoleondecheese on Jan 25, 2024 1:55:54 GMT
It could be argued that the Aracuan who harasses Donald isn't the same Aracuan who is Dickie's friend, since the former is much more insane and less verbal. Perhaps they are just members of the same species.