Talkin' about Donald meeting Daisy a bit, The short "Mr. Duck steps out" of 1940 seems to indicate it's Donald's first few dates, and the sequence of Donald going to Daisy's house make it seems like her house is right next to Donald's. I guess this is some more going for the Taliaferro strip.
Talkin' about Donald meeting Daisy a bit, The short "Mr. Duck steps out" of 1940 seems to indicate it's Donald's first few dates, and the sequence of Donald going to Daisy's house make it seems like her house is right next to Donald's. I guess this is some more going for the Taliaferro strip.
Well, I agree that Mr. Duck Steps Out seems to be one of their first dates. However, otherwise, I sort of disagree. The cartoon has Donald walking to the left of his house, while the Taliaferro-strips has Daisy living on Donald's right. Also, when watching this I assumed that Daisy lived somewhere in the same neighborhood, but not actually next-door. There is a fade between HDL leaving Donald's house and Donald arriving at Daisy's, rather than a simple cut, indicating that at least some time has passed.
So, maybe Daisy moved a bit further down the road a few days after their first meeting? That would be silly and confusing, of course, but I see no other way to solve that one.
I thought of something. When Donald first meets Fethry in The Health Nut, he calls Ludwig von Drake, whom he is already familiar with. Ludwig also visits Donald's home. In the Taliaferro-strips that introduce Ludwig, Daisy is already present. And Duckburg, U.S.A. has HDL, Uncle Scrooge, Gyro, and Daisy.
Therefore, The Health Nut must occur after Donald's first meeting with Ludwig, which must occur after HDL moves in. Thus, the Kinney/Hubbard adventures cannot happen before HDL arrives (at least in their original form).
Edit: I now realize that The Health Nut is not the first time Donald and Fethry meet. But it is the first of the Kinney/Hubbard stories, and assuming they all happen one after the other, my point still stands.
Now that you mention it, I seem to recall a discussion on some other thread about how HD&L actually appear, or are mentioned, in one of the Kinney/Hubbards, but that they either are not living with Donald or seem to imply that they are not. Unfortunately it's very hard to search for something like that on this forum, but can anyone shine some light on this?
Talkin' about Donald meeting Daisy a bit, The short "Mr. Duck steps out" of 1940 seems to indicate it's Donald's first few dates, and the sequence of Donald going to Daisy's house make it seems like her house is right next to Donald's. I guess this is some more going for the Taliaferro strip.
Well, I agree that Mr. Duck Steps Out seems to be one of their first dates. However, otherwise, I sort of disagree. The cartoon has Donald walking to the left of his house, while the Taliaferro-strips has Daisy living on Donald's right. Also, when watching this I assumed that Daisy lived somewhere in the same neighborhood, but not actually next-door. There is a fade between HDL leaving Donald's house and Donald arriving at Daisy's, rather than a simple cut, indicating that at least some time has passed.
So, maybe Daisy moved a bit further down the road a few days after their first meeting? That would be silly and confusing, of course, but I see no other way to solve that one.
Oh man my memory just filled in the blanks of the fade out and I assumed it was a simple cut instead. I will assume Daisy moved because she can't stand the general war and noisiness that goes on between Donald and HDL, but they had already got a relationship going on before she moved.
I thought of something. When Donald first meets Fethry in The Health Nut, he calls Ludwig von Drake, whom he is already familiar with. Ludwig also visits Donald's home. In the Taliaferro-strips that introduce Ludwig, Daisy is already present. And Duckburg, U.S.A. has HDL, Uncle Scrooge, Gyro, and Daisy.
Therefore, The Health Nut must occur after Donald's first meeting with Ludwig, which must occur after HDL moves in. Thus, the Kinney/Hubbard adventures cannot happen before HDL arrives (at least in their original form).
Edit: I now realize that The Health Nut is not the first time Donald and Fethry meet. But it is the first of the Kinney/Hubbard stories, and assuming they all happen one after the other, my point still stands.
Now that you mention it, I seem to recall a discussion on some other thread about how HD&L actually appear, or are mentioned, in one of the Kinney/Hubbards, but that they either are not living with Donald or seem to imply that they are not. Unfortunately it's very hard to search for something like that on this forum, but can anyone shine some light on this?
I can't remember or find which thread that was discussed on, but an INDUCKS search reveals that Dick Kinney wrote about 15 stories which included Donald, Fethry, and at least one of Donald's nephews. Of those, it looks like 3 were drawn by Al Hubbard: Do It Yourself, To Err Is Human, and All in the Head.
No matter what I say or do, know that Jesus loves you.
I can't remember or find which thread that was discussed on, but an INDUCKS search reveals that Dick Kinney wrote about 15 stories which included Donald, Fethry, and at least one of Donald's nephews. Of those, it looks like 3 were drawn by Al Hubbard: Do It Yourself, To Err Is Human, and All in the Head.
That last one also features Scrooge (and still has Tabby), which really messes our proposed timeline up.
Personally, I have no problem dismissing the Fethry stories that include HDL. There’s no way (pacem our friend MacDuck) to reconcile all published stories into a single coherent narrative, and I feel free to pick and choose even among a bunch of stories with the same main characters by the same author. For me the theory that Fethry lived in Duckburg and bothered Donald before the boys came to live with him allows me to accept Fethry and Tabby into my headcanon while explaining why neither Fethry nor Tabby showed up in all the stories of Donald and HDL I read growing up. I could accept a Fethry story including one or more of the nephews if it’s not made clear that they live with Donald.
I had to fit Fethry into my Rosa timeline because he appears in the family tree, and his first appearance in 1964 fit very nicely after all the Rosa/Barks stories -- the last of which take place some unspecified time after 1961. I have no problems believing HDL went off to college or some prolonged Woodchuck expedition, during the Hubbard/Kinney years.
The before-Scrooge years on the other hand, those are pretty eventful already. And there's HDL to contend with, who were already with Donald during World War 2. I don't feel comfortable cramming Fethry stories either some time between 1945 and 1947, or putting him in the '30s. Donald seems to have matured quite a bit by then, and Fethry's beatnik/faddist attitudes doesn't really fit any time before the very latest of the 1950s. In fact his first story, The Health Nut, is a commentary on jogging, which had reached American shores in 1962-63.
I'd like to think all of those Gold Key and S-coded stories took place in the 1960s-ish (if at all). They clearly take place after Barks, but before the European revival of the 1970s. But Fethry and his ilk -- 0.0 Duck, Bella Duck, Moby Duck, Hustler Duck, etc. -- their origins lie in a particular era.
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Post by TheMidgetMoose on May 21, 2020 20:18:54 GMT
Honestly, my thoughts for chapters other than Chapter 1 are much less thought out. I'd say that my headcanon for Donald's earliest years is fairly solid and unlikely to change much, but my thoughts on pretty much everything from 1931 to 1941 consistently fluctuates. Here's a rough outline of sorts of the next few chapters.
Chapter 2 (1931 - 1932) - Donald is not happy about it, but, in the aftermath of their falling out with Scrooge, Hortense and Quackmore have decided to move. First, they take themselves and their children to Elm City (Business Before Pleasure). Donald's pranks only become worse as he attempts to take out his anger towards his parents on others. He makes enemies in Old Man Dripple and Mr. Guff. He finally decides to prove himself by becoming a champion marbles player. He succeeds, but just as he does, Quackmore, who has struggled to find a job in Depression-era Elm City, decides to move his family again. Donald is angry that just as he reached the top, he is forced to leave. The Duck family moves to Duck Swamp. Donald once again struggles to fit in at first, but, as it is now Winter of 1931-1932, quickly finds a new hobby: hockey. He decides to become the best hockey player in Duck Swamp, hoping that it will make people like him more. He succeeds and even wins a trophy (the cartoon The Hockey Champ), but Quackmore has decided to move once again. Donald is very resentful, but Della is happy. Why? Quackmore and Hortense have decided to move to Silo Center (or whatever name you use for Mickey's hometown in early Gottfredso strips), home to a great air mail service that Quackmore plans to join. Della and Quackmore are excited to be somewhere where there is a lot of activity and innovation surrounding airplanes. While Donald is still frustrated about moving, he can't help but feel a little bit happy for Della, knowing that she will enjoy Silo Center very much.
Chapter 3 (1932 - 193?) - Upon arriving in Silo Center, Donald soon hears from his fellow kids and classmates that the most popular and adventurous kid in town is some guy named Mickey Mouse, who just got back from tracking down two thieves in the Klondike (The Great Orphanage Robbery) and is now sailing the sea searching for buried treasure (Mickey Mouse Sails for Treasure Island). Donald decides that he must become friends with this guy and spends his time trying to get close to Mickey's friends. He meets Goofy, Horace Horsecollar, and Clarabelle Cow for the first time during this time. When they inform him that Mickey loves music, he decides to learn as much about music as he can before Mickey gets back from his adventure in order to impress him. He starts learning the flute, the piano, and the guitar. Maybe "Uncle Amos" (The Case of the Vanishing Coats) knew a little a bit of music and was Donald's music teacher/tutor, thus explaining how he first met and became close to him? Anyway, the bulk of this chapter is basically just Donald unsuccessfully trying to get Mickey's attention, with Mickey constantly being swept away into another Gottfredson adventure before Donald can get to talk to him. In Fall 1932, Quackmore vanishes suddenly just as many other mail pilots are also vanishing. New mail pilot Mickey Mouse soon gets to the bottom of it and rescues Quackmore (The Mail Pilot). Quackmore invites him over to dinner to thank him, and Donald and Della get a double surprise that night: Their dad is alive and is home, and they get to meet the great Mickey Mouse. Not sure how this chapter ends, largely because I'm not sure which way I want to go with the next chapter. Perhaps a summary of Mickey, Donald, and Goofy's adventures in the early 1930's?
I can't remember or find which thread that was discussed on, but an INDUCKS search reveals that Dick Kinney wrote about 15 stories which included Donald, Fethry, and at least one of Donald's nephews. Of those, it looks like 3 were drawn by Al Hubbard: Do It Yourself, To Err Is Human, and All in the Head.
That last one also features Scrooge (and still has Tabby), which really messes our proposed timeline up.
Even more, Dick Kinney wrote 73 stories with Donald, Fethry and Scrooge; attending that Donald only re-connects with Scrooge when he was already living with HDL, it is impossible that these stories are before HDL living with him (if anything, makes more sense to assume that the Donald+Fethry stories are AFTER the Donald+HDL stories).
But I grew up with the Brazilian stories (where Fethry routinely interacts with HDL and Scrooge, and has a nephew clearly younger than HDL), then in my headcanon the theory "DD+FE(+Tabby) stories were before the DD+HDL stories" is essentially impossible.
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Post by TheMidgetMoose on May 25, 2020 2:59:19 GMT
The biggest hurdle for me in any chapters past 3 is deciding when Donald became an actor. I do believe that he became an actor at some point, as per both the comic and cartoon versions of This Is Your Life, Donald Duck, cartoons such as The New Spirit, and both cartoons and comics which portray him as living in Hollywood like Donald's Penguin and both versions of Donald's Nephews. I'm pretty firm in my belief that he was an actor at some point, but I can't decide when. I feel like a whole chapter should hypothetically be inserted somewhere about his start in acting, but I struggle with placing the chapter on the timeline.
Chapter 4 (1934 - 1935) - Donald is now a young teenager and is starting to become a bit more rebellious towards his parents than usual. Della and Quackmore have grown closer than ever before, with Quackmore already teaching the young Della nearly everything there is to know about planes. Early in the year of 1934 (or maybe this event occurs in 1933... it doesn't matter too much to me), a tragedy occurs which shakes up the Duck family. Quackmore dies in a plane crash. The cause of the crash is unknown, but the effects of it are clear. When Matilda comes to Silo Center for the funeral, Hortense reveals to her that she is trying to hide her emotions "for the sake of the children". Refusing to cry or mourn in public, Hortense instead becomes angrier than ever before, becoming livid at the slightest nuisance from Donald or Della. Della and Donald are both heartbroken at the loss.
Before the funeral is even over, Silo Center's local gossipers, perhaps including Clarabelle Cow, begin speculating about why Quackmore died, stating that Quackmore, who about about a couple of years before turning 60, was too old or short-tempered to fly a plane, and the crash was clearly a sign of ineptitude on his part. They speculate that the only reason Quackmore was accepted into the air corps was because his little brother, Eider Duck, was a semi-famous pilot with powerful connections (Donald says that an uncle of his was a pilot in Donald Gets Drafted). As soon as Hortense and Della catch wind of the rumors, they lose it, with Hortense blowing up about it public and Della promising herself that she will one day use her own aviation skills to prove to them that the Duck family thrives off of skill not nepotism. Donald is torn. He despises the rumors, but some of those pushing them are friends of his, and he's always struggled with telling friends, especially older friends that he admires or wants to impress, "no."
Matilda stays in Silo Center for a couple of weeks after the funeral to help Hortense, and she watches as her sister's mental health and relationship with her children, especially the almost equally belligerent Donald, deteriorate. She insists that all three (Hortense, Donald, and Della) come back to Duckburg with her. Perhaps Matilda is married to someone at this point. My current Duck family tree has her married to Zak McWak (Voyage to Azatlan), but I'd really be willing to pair her with just about any uncle of Donald's and I'm also okay with her having never married. Anyway, Hortense agrees to move, as she longs to be far away from those who gossip about her deceased husband. Donald is angry at the prospect of moving, but the move happens away, and Donald heads back to Duckburg.
The first few weeks at Duckburg are just okay. Donald sees some of his old friends and acquaintances, such as Gladstone and Gyro, again. Things really start change when a handsome certain Mr. Drake comes into Hortense's life (see here and here for more info about that). Perhaps Mr. Drake is actually Von Drake (not Ludwig, though) and is in Duckburg visiting his cousin, Grandma Duck, when he meets Hortense. At any rate, Hortense and Mr. Drake "fall in love" as Hortense looks for something to fill the hole in her life that Quackmore has left. Della is okay with this development, but Donald isn't. When Drake and Hortense marry just mere days after meeting, Donald is enraged. Hortense tries to convince Donald to see Drake as his new father, but Donald refuses. This is not only because he dislikes that someone is taking Quackmore's place, but he can see that Drake is a shifty, malicious, and immoral con artist who only wants to marry Hortense in hopes of getting some of Scrooge McDuck's money. He tries to explain this Hortense, but she doesn't believe him, and a great rift begins to grow between the mother and the son.
Donald talks things over with Grandma and Grandpa. They are sympathetic to his view. Grandma tries to get Hortense to see Donald's side, but she refuses, too blinded by love and lust. Ultimately, Grandma agrees to let Donald live on an abandoned houseboat on her property, in a neighborhood called Barnyard Village (The Wise Little Hen [comic strip]). Hortense is angry about this, but she lets young Donald go anyway. Grandma and Grandpa actually offered to let Donald live in their house, but he refused because he didn't want to do the chores that would come with it.
Feeling independent, Donald becomes lazier than before and begins to struggle in school, perhaps even failing a grade. We learn that he spent about a year in Barnyard Village, during which time he became best friends with Peter Pig (The Wise Little Hen [comic strip]), before moving back to Silo Center to live with "Uncle Amos". We then get a brief summary of some of his 1935 and 1936 Gottfredson adventures with Mickey (if it's possible for some of the 1936 adventures to occur in 1935). In about July 1935, he boasts to Mickey that soon he'll go on a great adventure all on his own. Still holding on to his childhood dream of sailing, he writes a letter to his cousin Moby Duck, asking him if he can help him get a summer job on a ship.
No matter what I say or do, know that Jesus loves you.
They speculate that the only reason Quackmore was accepted into the air corps was because his little brother, Eider Duck, was a semi-famous pilot with powerful connections (Donald says that an uncle of his was a pilot in Donald Gets Drafted).
I agree with the theory of Eider being the aviator-uncle mentioned in Donald Gets Drafted. Eider is a falconer, and his passion for birds might very well bleed into a passion for the skies.
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Speaking of Quackmore's death; I've been thinking of how I would off him in my own version of events. The following is some sort of expansion of my WWII-chapter: I think Quackmore would either get drafted or sign up for the second WW along with Donald. Maybe he would even try to talk Donald out of joining, as he has no faith in his son. But Donald is dead set on proving himself and showing his father what he's got. As an experienced fighter pilot, Quackmore is tasked with educating the new pilot-recruits. Among them is the man who will someday become Della's husband. He excels at everything, while Donald is a constant failure. Donald isn't accepted into the air force and is instead sent sent to the navy (I have no idea how signing up for war works nowadays, and even less how it used to work in the 40s). Otherwise, this chapter would mostly unfold as before. Donald is stationed on the same ship that holds Quackmore and Della's future husband, and he'd constantly try and fail at showing how heroic and competent he is. This would culminate in him stealing a plane, which he crashes in South America.
Maybe Donald is presumed dead by his family following this? And then one day while adventuring with Panchito and José, he'd find out that his father has passed (most likely killed in action). Donald would get this information from either a newspaper or overhearing a conversation or something. This would cause him to go home to America. With the tragic relationship my version has set up between Donald and his father, the darker and sadder part of me likes that the two would never make up. Quackmore just dies before they resolve their conflict. Such is life sometimes. And this would fuel Donald's frustrations even more, as he can't even fight with his father anymore.
I'm not surprised! That could be interesting, but how would that even work? She's like 8.
I guess you could have chapters that explores her future adult life. It could be like Barthood, one of the few modern The Simpsons-episodes that are actually good, in which we're shown scenes from both the past and the future, while skipping the status quo-era entirely. This format would even work well with Donald, if one wishes to cut down on his past-chapters and instead focus on his future.
I'm not surprised! That could be interesting, but how would that even work? She's like 8.
I guess you could have chapters that explores her future adult life. It could be like Barthood, one of the few modern The Simpsons-episodes that are actually good, in which we're shown scenes from both the past and the future, while skipping the status quo-era entirely. This format would even work well with Donald, if one wishes to cut down on his past-chapters and instead focus on his future.
In my headcanon she is already at least 16 or 18, because I am in a relationship with her.
I would make her a heroine in a setting like TaleSpin (dieselpunk) and Indiana Jones where she is an adventuress and researcher.