I quite like how The Treasury of Croesus ends; what with Scrooge trading the bulk of the treasure for a single coin, and Donald's raging speech at the end. I note that Magica seems to consider Donald's point at the end (she thoughtfully puts her finger to her beak). So, I guess I could accept this to be the end of Magica's attacks. I would have preferred if Rosa gave her a thought-bubble along the lines of "Maybe he has a point?", but I guess that could be implied.
However, I'm kinda annoyed that Scrooge is seen to be in possession of some of Croesus' treasure in The Son of the Sun. The Treasury ofCroesus ended with him not getting that treasure... so how does he have it in The Son of the Sun? As I said, I quite like Croesus, but it does a pretty bad job as a prequel to The Son of the Sun.
However, I'm kinda annoyed that Scrooge is seen to be in possession of some of Croesus' treasure in The Son of the Sun. The Treasury ofCroesus ended with him not getting that treasure... so how does he have it in The Son of the Sun? As I said, I quite like Croesus, but it does a pretty bad job as a prequel to The Son of the Sun.
True. Possible fix: the exhibit in Son of the Sun is an exhibit of the artefacts & treasures discovered by Scrooge McDuck: most of them were naturally lended by Scrooge, but the museum also borrowed from other owners when it so happened that a treaure unearthed by Scrooge had slipped out of his grasp since then.
I'm not sure if we discussed this specific idea on this forum yet or not, but I actually thought the exact same thing about Of Ducks, Dimes, and Destinies occurring in between A Christmas for Shacktown and Gyro's First Invention. I don't know if I read about that idea here or just came up with it on my own. The only issue is that Scrooge mentions "my place" in Destinies, but Donald and one of his nephews say in Gyro's First Invention that Scrooge was living with them during that time. Perhaps they just meant that Scrooge was coming over so often that he essentially lived with them, though he did have a residence elsewhere which he was referencing in Destinies.
I think we just came up with it independently. Funny that.
I definitely agree that The Quest for Kalevala is the last story for Magica. I view it as one of the last "present-day" stories on the entire timeline. It is, however, not really a "normal" Magica vs. Scrooge story in the sense that the two are not fighting over the number one dime but another object. I assume that Magica and Scrooge's conflict surrounding the dime had resolved before that, though Magica still has a distaste for Scrooge.
True that. She seems to be on her way to giving up in Attaaaaaack!. For what it's worth, I currently have Kalevala set between The Dream of a Lifetime!, where Donald learns the full extent of Scrooge's dreams and the Beagle Boys' entrance to the money bin finally gets sealed off, and Attack of the Hideous Space-Varmints!, which continues Scrooge's quest for the stars.
Yeah, I definitely have no issue with placing "Kalevala" after "Croesus". Within a Don Rosa canon, I simply think that Croesus marks the end of the "increasingly complex schemes to get the Dime" face-offs, but it needn't be the last time Magica visits Duckburg! I'm unsure why Attaaaaack! would need to be post-Croesus, though, though this of course depends on quite when one places a whole bunch of other stories.
A whole bunch of other stories is right.
Some of The Treasury of Croesus is displayed in the Duckburg museum in The Son of the Sun. That story features Flintheart Glomgold, who gets his final comeuppance in The Last Lord of Eldorado. The deed to the city of Eldorado is framed a few months later in the opening of The Black Knight where we meet Arpin Lusène, who appears in Attaaaaaack!.
However, I'm kinda annoyed that Scrooge is seen to be in possession of some of Croesus' treasure in The Son of the Sun. The Treasury ofCroesus ended with him not getting that treasure... so how does he have it in The Son of the Sun? As I said, I quite like Croesus, but it does a pretty bad job as a prequel to The Son of the Sun.
True. Possible fix: the exhibit in Son of the Sun is an exhibit of the artefacts & treasures discovered by Scrooge McDuck: most of them were naturally lended by Scrooge, but the museum also borrowed from other owners when it so happened that a treaure unearthed by Scrooge had slipped out of his grasp since then.
That's the fix Rosa himself advocates for. When writing The Son of the Sun, he knew he was going to write a Croesus story one day, but he had no idea how it was going to pan out. Note that at least one of the other treasures is also on loan: the philosopher's stone from the International Monetary Council.
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It is odd that Scrooge would need to live with Donald after Christmas for Shacktown. There are at least two Barks stories in which Scrooge has his own house; Blanket Investment and... another one, which I can't identify at the moment... Anyways, I guess Rosa likes to think that Scrooge really only lives in his Money Bin.
It is odd that Scrooge would need to live with Donald after Christmas for Shacktown. There are at least two Barks stories in which Scrooge has his own house; Blanket Investment and... another one, which I can't identify at the moment... Anyways, I guess Rosa likes to think that Scrooge really only lives in his Money Bin.
There is that — but if one wants to fit the existence of the house into it, it's possible that Scrooge sold it off to get as much cash by his side as he could, to cope. It's also possible that because he has nothing to pay the bills with, he does retain the house but it's empty and no longer has electricity, so he'd basically have to move in with Donald.
Yet another possibility, of course, in the context of a mix-and-match Barks-Rosa timeline, is to set Blaket Investment and any other stories involving Scrooge's house after the events of Shacktown/First Invention, with Donald badgering Scrooge into buying his own house precisely to avoid a repeat of the Shacktown Incident.
There is that — but if one wants to fit the existence of the house into it, it's possible that Scrooge sold it off to get as much cash by his side as he could, to cope. It's also possible that because he has nothing to pay the bills with, he does retain the house but it's empty and no longer has electricity, so he'd basically have to move in with Donald.
Yet another possibility, of course, in the context of a mix-and-match Barks-Rosa timeline, is to set Blaket Investment and any other stories involving Scrooge's house after the events of Shacktown/First Invention, with Donald badgering Scrooge into buying his own house precisely to avoid a repeat of the Shacktown Incident.
I can buy your first argument. Scrooge might even rent out his house to someone else in order to make some money off of it.
However, I don't quite follow your last argument. How would Scrooge buying a house of his own prevent another Shacktown incident? The floor caved in because he had too much money and built his building on a non-solid foundation. How is another home relevant to that?
I instead propose the following: Scrooge lives in his Bear Mountain-mansion until Christmas 1947. In Lo$ 12 he announces plans to sell it. He then moves into a smaller house. During the Shacktown incident, he can no longer afford the house and lives with Donald. When the Bin is re-opened, he installs a bedroom in his personal quarters, where he lives during most of the Rosa-stories.
However, I don't quite follow your last argument. How would Scrooge buying a house of his own prevent another Shacktown incident? The floor caved in because he had too much money and built his building on a non-solid foundation. How is another home relevant to that?
I was putting myself entirely in Donald's shoes, here — what another home would prevent is Scrooge coming to mooch off Donald again the inevitable next time the Money Bin is destroyed.
However, I don't quite follow your last argument. How would Scrooge buying a house of his own prevent another Shacktown incident? The floor caved in because he had too much money and built his building on a non-solid foundation. How is another home relevant to that?
I was putting myself entirely in Donald's shoes, here — what another home would prevent is Scrooge coming to mooch off Donald again the inevitable next time the Money Bin is destroyed.
Don't get me started. The bin gets destroyed so often, it's a nightmare. The worst offender in this regard is The Beagle Boys vs. the Money Bin, which requires the bin to be pretty much the same as it was when the architect's plans were drawn up in 1902. (I think it also shows Scrooge's sleeping quarters as being in the bin.) However, for the secret entrance not to be a game-breaking cheat for the Beagles, it must take place after they've gone through most of their conventional plans. (Which is why they only use it in two stories, this one and The Dream of a Lifetime!).
I really haven't figured out a Bin chronology yet, because it's going to be a nightmare. The things that happen to Scrooge's cash:
Scrooge accidentally blows a hole in his vault (Terror of the Beagle Boys)
Scrooge accidentally collapses the price of gold (The Prize of Pizarro)
Scrooge builds a new bin with better defenses (The Big Bin on Killmotor Hill)
Scrooge claims his hill as a sovereign country (His Majesty, McDuck)
Scrooge converts all of his cash into 10,000 dollar bank notes and back again (The Round Money Bin)
Scrooge finds a lost cave underneath his bin that was dug out by Sir Francis Drake's men (Guardians of the Lost Library)
Scrooge has a secret vault underneath his vault (Statuesque Spendthrifts)
Scrooge removes all 1916 quarters from his bin and buries them at sea (The Secret of Atlantis)
Scrooge smuggles all of his cash through a secret tunnel underneath Fort Duckburg and buries it in a hill (The Money Well)
Scrooge transports all of his cash to a lake to outwit the Beagles (Only a Poor Old Man)
Scrooge turns his money into a giant pile (The Money Champ)
Scrooge's bin breaks open from the bottom and all his cash falls in just above a layer of quicksand (A Christmas for Shacktown)
Scrooge's bin breaks open from the bottom and all his cash falls down into Duckburg harbor (Hall of the Mermaid Queen)
Scrooge's bin gets infiltrated by the Beagle Boys (The Beagle Boys vs. the Money Bin; The Dream of a Lifetime!)
Scrooge's bin gets its front blown clean off while ants make away with a sugar cube (Attaaaaaack!)
Scrooge's bin gets ravaged by Arpin Lusène (The Black Knight)
Scrooge's bin gets ravaged by Arpin Lusène, again (The Black Knight GLORPS Again)
Scrooge's bin gets ripped from its foundation and flies into space, only to return upside down (Attack of the Hideous Space-Varmints!)
Scrooge's bin gets shrunken to within an inch of its life (The Incredible Shrinking Tightwad)
Scrooge's bin has a wall problem (Gyro's Beagletrap)
Scrooge's bin is crushed and emptied by giant robots (The Giant Robot Robbers)
Scrooge's bin is tormented by earthquakes, storms, whirlwinds, fiery comets and meteorites (For Old Dime's Sake; The Many Faces of Magica DeSpell)
Scrooge's bin rips in two and back again after the largest earthquake in Duckburg history (Land beneath the Ground!)
Scrooge's cash collapses in on itself (The Money Pit)
Scrooge's cash just flows away (Cash Flow)
Scrooge's hill erupts like a volcano after a tunnel to the center of the earth opens up a direct lava flow to the surface (The Universal Solvent)
Scrooge's hill gets eaten by rats after Gyro invents an extremely potent cheese (The Pied Piper of Duckburg)
Scrooge's new bin is reinforced with forbidium, until it gets destroyed by a meteor of the same material (The Forbidium Money Bin)
Scrooge also owns an estate in Easy Mowing. It appears to be separate from his other house. And it's not related to his Money Bin either. Since it's located in downtown Duckburg, I don't think it's the same as his Bear Mountain mansion either.
Here's a little piece of timeline theory that I've been teasing for a while now. One of the most difficult dates to ascertain is the climax of The Empire-Builder of Calisota, when Scrooge finally breaks off all contact with his family. Is it 1930? 1931? 1932? 1933? Rosa contradicts himself in various places, so that each of these may be correct. Let's have each make their case.
Haha, I prepared a long post on two years that bothers me (1885 and 1909) and then I found this thread where you brilliantly went through every grievence I have with the dating of the Foola Zoola incident. Oh well, back to the drawing board
Here's a little piece of timeline theory that I've been teasing for a while now. One of the most difficult dates to ascertain is the climax of The Empire-Builder of Calisota, when Scrooge finally breaks off all contact with his family. Is it 1930? 1931? 1932? 1933? Rosa contradicts himself in various places, so that each of these may be correct. Let's have each make their case.
Haha, I prepared a long post on two years that bothers me (1885 and 1909) and then I found this thread where you brilliantly went through every grievence I have with the dating of the Foola Zoola incident. Oh well, back to the drawing board
I'd love to read your take on it. What's the problem with 1885? It is Scrooge's money bin again?
(One of my more recent chronology bugbears is Citizen Kane and the age of its character. Kane, who takes control of his media empire at the age of twenty-five, is said to reigned from 1895 to 1941 in the famous newsreel sequence. (Which makes sense timeline-wise, as he eggs on the Spanish-American War not too long after.) That would mean Kane was born in 1870, two years after his mother received the deed to the Colorado lode. The problem with this line of reasoning are the memoires of Walter Parks Thatcher, Kane's punctilious lawyer, who recalls his first meeting with a child Kane in 1871...)
(This is relevant to this thread because... er... Rosa was riffing on Kane all the time anyhow, and it's not something I can casually bring up anywhere else.)
I really haven't figured out a Bin chronology yet,
There is no Bin chronology. Carl Barks never meant his stories to have any kind of chronology with maybe the rare exceptions, and Don has always been clear about his "present day" stories (stories taking place in the 50s) not having a strict chronology.
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There is no Bin chronology. Carl Barks never meant his stories to have any kind of chronology with maybe the rare exceptions, and Don has always been clear about his "present day" stories (stories taking place in the 50s) not having a strict chronology.
Why would you bring that up in a thread specifically about a chronology? Of course everyone knows that there was no concern for chronology when Barks and Rosa wrote their stories. But this "game" that That Duckfan (and myself and a few others) are playing is specifically about "Yes, but what if there were a chronology that indeed works?"
Haha, I prepared a long post on two years that bothers me (1885 and 1909) and then I found this thread where you brilliantly went through every grievence I have with the dating of the Foola Zoola incident. Oh well, back to the drawing board
I'd love to read your take on it. What's the problem with 1885? It is Scrooge's money bin again?
(One of my more recent chronology bugbears is Citizen Kane and the age of its character. Kane, who takes control of his media empire at the age of twenty-five, is said to reigned from 1895 to 1941 in the famous newsreel sequence. (Which makes sense timeline-wise, as he eggs on the Spanish-American War not too long after.) That would mean Kane was born in 1870, two years after his mother received the deed to the Colorado lode. The problem with this line of reasoning are the memoires of Walter Parks Thatcher, Kane's punctilious lawyer, who recalls his first meeting with a child Kane in 1871...)
(This is relevant to this thread because... er... Rosa was riffing on Kane all the time anyhow, and it's not something I can casually bring up anywhere else.)
My conclusion was simply that dating the Foola Zoola incident to 1909 is almost impossible because of all the facts we're given in the story, as well as the events of The Sharpie of the Culebra Cut. I also see no reason for why the incident should have to be in 1909, no Barksian fact to hide behind. Although I assume Rosa got there by changing it from 70 to 40 years before 1949 and Voodoo Hoodoo.
My other issue was with Chapter V being set in 1885. Chapter IV ends with Scrooge going home to Scotland by New York, where he witnesses the construction of the Statue of Liberty. In the end of Chapter V he decides to become a gold prospector, and then Chapter VI is set in 1886/87. The problem is that the Statue of Liberty was constructed between April and October of 1886 and the Witwatersrand Gold Rush started in July 1886. Clearly it would have made more sence to set Chapter V in the autumn of 1886. The reason it isn't is the Barksian fact that Scrooge bought his pince-nez in Scotland in 1885, but this could easily have been explained by "Scrooge misremembers".
My other issue was with Chapter V being set in 1885. Chapter IV ends with Scrooge going home to Scotland by New York, where he witnesses the construction of the Statue of Liberty. In the end of Chapter V he decides to become a gold prospector, and then Chapter VI is set in 1886/87. The problem is that the Statue of Liberty was constructed between April and October of 1886 and the Witwatersrand Gold Rush started in July 1886. Clearly it would have made more sence to set Chapter V in the autumn of 1886. The reason it isn't is the Barksian fact that Scrooge bought his pince-nez in Scotland in 1885, but this could easily have been explained by "Scrooge misremembers".
I didn't about know that. Thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind when I take those stories into the timeline.
The Bin is an obvious example of negative continuity. My biggest take for now is Scrooge has multiple bins downtown. One problem is the "seventy years" comment in Migrating Millions. Barks' Scrooge was fond of seventy-year time spans, wasn't he? I personally like the idea of young Scrooge depositing some of his money in a cache near Duckburg similar to the ones he'd use later on in the Klondike, but of course Scrooge not having any money all the time was pretty important to Rosa's narrative. I like the idea of Scrooge being around the Calisota before he actually settled there, like a stranger in an old cowboy movie. The one thing that's keeping him from actually visiting the village without remembering in Rosa's continuity is that one giant hill in the middle of town...