I think it would make sense to include in Inducks these one-shot characters that are relative to Donald and the ducks. Is there any *sourced* list of characters? or do we have to dig through hundreds of messages?
I definitely like that idea, Inducks tags for all these obscure relatives so they never get "lost" again, like they did between Gilles stopping updating his site and, well, now. I know nothing about the site's bureaucracy though so I wouldn't know how to put it into actual practice.
Every character on Inducks is categorized into different "universes". I think a potentially good way to organize these relatives would be to create a new universe which would just be named "Relatives of Donald Duck" or "Duck family" or something like that.
- in Paperino e il segreto di "Grattugia" Donald inherits a farm and then a lot of gold from a distant relative called Grattugia (which means grater).
- in Paperino e l'eredità da... brivido a character called Red macPaper becomes an hermit and leaves all his possession to his relatives. At the notay there are Scrooge, Donald, HDL, Grandma Duck, Daisy and Glastone. All of this are only called 'relatives' of Red, except Gladstone who is specified to be nipote(which means both nephew and grandson, so maybe it can be decided if someone would check a translation?).
- in Zio Paperone e l'erede universale there is a lot more. The main find is Alec de' Paperoni, who already is on the tree as Dietbald Duck, but imho in a incorrect position. Is surname de' Paperoni is the italian for "mcDuck", so he should be so, considering that there isn't an ufficial english translation. If you don't want to move him too much, maybe you could place him under Douglas? I don't know him, so I've no idea if it would fit or no.
But the big score from that story is the family tree of Scrooge, shown in the first page. It contains a lot of names. Other than Alec, we see the names of:
Astolfo de' Paperoni, at the base of the trunk;
Goffredo de' Paperoni, in the middle of the trunk;
Olinto, alone in a branch;
Petra, in a branch which continues with other names, so probably has some descendants;
Pepe and Camillo, who share the same branch. Probably siblings, seeing how HDL are later rappresented in the same way;
Edo and Eriprando, possibly siblings for the same reason;
Ciccio and Oliver, potencially siblings. Particularly important this, because Ciccio is the italian name of Gus, so Oliver may be brother of Gus.
All the images are here. Apart from Alec, all the others character are never shown, but only mentioned.
This story shows a lot of pictures of McDuck ancestors, both pre- and post-1700, with names.
The names (Paperon McPaperon and Paperon de los Paperones) are taken from Martina's Storia e Gloria, the pictures are quite different though since the ancestors in those stories were just copies of Scrooge, but the artist here may not have caught the reference.
I think we already have a Crocket Duck on the tree and this is pretty similar (besides the beak).
In S 76176, a duck family tree is shown. The most distant ancestor is called Sir Francis Paper in the Italian version, not sure if it was supposed to be Sir Francis Drake (since it is obviously based on him, being a navigator and such) or simply a common Sir Francis Duck in the original.
Two more ancestors are shown (yet unnamed), but they recall: Crocket Duck and Butch Paper/Duck from Paperino Polo P.
This story shows a lot of pictures of McDuck ancestors, both pre- and post-1700, with names.
The names (Paperon McPaperon and Paperon de los Paperones) are taken from Martina's Storia e Gloria, the pictures are quite different though since the ancestors in those stories were just copies of Scrooge, but the artist here may not have caught the reference.
I think we already have a Crocket Duck on the tree and this is pretty similar (besides the beak).
Yes, this does indeed appear to have been intended to be the same Crockett and Paperon McPaperon from Storia e Gloria (I can't find which chapter Paperon de los Paperones is from though!). I hate when continuity-references are made incorrectly.
Also, this seems to imply that Crockett is one of Scrooge's ancestors... I don't know what to make of that.
The names (Paperon McPaperon and Paperon de los Paperones) are taken from Martina's Storia e Gloria, the pictures are quite different though since the ancestors in those stories were just copies of Scrooge, but the artist here may not have caught the reference.
I think we already have a Crocket Duck on the tree and this is pretty similar (besides the beak).
Yes, this does indeed appear to have been intended to be the same Crockett and Paperon McPaperon from Storia e Gloria (I can't find which chapter Paperon de los Paperones is from though!). I hate when continuity-references are made incorrectly.
Also, this seems to imply that Crockett is one of Scrooge's ancestors... I don't know what to make of that.
The Spanish ancestor from Storia e Gloria is called Paperon Y Paperonios and another one is called Papieron Paperonies, I deem the author of the Dorian Gray story may have mixed them up.
In S 76176, a duck family tree is shown. The most distant ancestor is called Sir Francis Paper in the Italian version, not sure if it was supposed to be Sir Francis Drake (since it is obviously based on him, being a navigator and such) or simply a common Sir Francis Duck in the original.
Two more ancestors are shown (yet unnamed), but they recall: Crocket Duck and Butch Paper/Duck from Paperino Polo P.
In the English original of this story, HDL explain to Donald that
"you're the seventeenth son of the seventeenth son of the famous Sir Francis Duck! [...] He was the first duck to sail around the world! [...] It tells all about him in the [Woodchuck] Manual! For awhile he was a sea-raider in service of his king! But he had to leave his treasure behind on Kumquat Island, when some pirates chased him! [...] Sir Francis left a will saying that the treasure should go to the legitimate heir who could find it!"
(Spoiler: in the end, Sir Francis is revealed to have stolen "his" treasure from those pirates, who themselves stole it from the Caribbean kingdom of Bingbong—the Bingbong capitol's mayor and police chief reclaim the treasure from the Ducks, but reward Donald for having located it.)
Say, is there any way to make the pictures on Inducks larger? I've found some of the relatives still missing pictures on their respective stories, including Dali, Kittie, both Egberts, and Klazien and the Trouwharts in color, but they're all much too small as is.
Grandma's cousin George is oddly young, and his son Wilbert is Donald's age. I therefore made them a generation younger. He's still Hilda's and Wilhelmina's brother, just younger. If another Grandma-cousin pops up, I could put that person in as George's father. If George was Grandma's cousin's son, he could still be called her cousin, so this wouldn't be super-wrong. I decided to switch the places of McTavish Duck and his father (now son). This is because the soldier appears to give a handkerchief to a native American, which alludes to the Siege of Fort Pitt; an event taking place in 1763. The American Revolution soldier still fits as a generation later. McTavish is to have been around somewhen in the 1700s, around 200 years before "the present". Also, the Fort Pitt-soldier appears to recently have arrived in America, whereas McTavish was based in Scotland. I married Gustavo Coot to Jenny's sister. Both Gustavo and his daughter Amanda are said to be related to both Scrooge and Grandma. This is the simplest way I could think of making this working. I've moved the o'Papers to Daisy's side of the family. I've added Cornelius' uncle and cousins. Also, I've re-organized the Italian branch to a (hopefully) more accurate configuration. I also changed Hortense McDuck's image. While the grandmother from Barks' Best Christmas is still Hortense in my head-canon, I'm trying to stay away from fan-theories as much as possible. Instead, her portrait now shows her first appearance from No Hunting. I changed Dietbald's last name to McDuck and added Grattugia. I'll add the rest of the McDucks from Dietbald's story next time! Also, the Italian ducks should be at bit better now. And I added Duckan and Jacob McDuck. Also, I found Scrooge's cousin Sage McDuck from S 82025 on the Generation Duck blog.
I took a look at Gilles Maurice's missing-list. Here's the ones I placed: HDL's cousin Gastoncino from I TL 1907-A. Scrooge's cousin Dino from I TL 1963-C. Scrooge's uncle Mac Paperon from I TL 1988-E. Daisy's aunt Petunia from H 89136. Scrooge's uncle Dragomir from D 90157. Daisy's aunt Drunella from D 92348. Donald's great-grand-uncle Mortimer from D 92251 (apparently instead identified as cousin Dorian in German). I placed Mortimer where I previously had Pokerface McDuck. Pokerface is moved to being Potcrack's grandson instead. If anyone has a better idea, let me know. HDL's grand-aunt Elaine from D 94147 (Gilles' missing-list oddly says she's "aunt Daphne in English", but I looked up the English version and... no, she's Elaine). Donald’s grand-aunt Tryntsje Duck (Duckma in Dutch) from D 94238. I made her Joao Barbosa's mother. HDL's grand-aunt Hieronima from D 95169. Donald's uncle Drugbert (interesting name) from D 96112. HDL's aunt Berta from D 96172. Donald's uncle Dietram from D 97167. HDL's great-grand-uncle Darendorf Duck from D 99207. Daisy has yet another aunt in D 99218. This one is named Dora. Donald's uncle Otmar from D 3776. I added Donald's aunt Marga from D 4398 as a wife of one of Donald's uncles. Daisy has yet another uncle (!) in D 4067. This one is called Ottokar. I married him to one of her aunts. Gyro's aunt Agathe from D 4734. There's Donald's aunt Doris in D 6582, whom I made Zak McWak's wife. Fethry has an aunt and uncle in I TL 611-B. Does anyone know if they are siblings or if they are a couple? It would be neat to make them the parents of Sam Loon. Fethry has another uncle, Theobald, in D 3074. Donald's cousin Gorbinian from D 8662. Donald's nephew Detlev from D 9970. I made him Fred's son. Donald's aunt from D 2000-121, named Drübtraut. Scrooge's uncle Argus from D 2001-126. In order to spread out the relatives as much as possible, I've decided to place relatives only mentioned to be related to HDL on the latters' father's side of the tree.
Here's the ones I don't know where to place: Kristian Krikand, Jeremias von And, Johannes Gasefod from I TL 582-A. Donald apparently has an Aunt Evelyn in I TL 934-B. Is this the same Evelyn whom I have as Downy O'Drake's sister? B 770235 apparently has some "relatives of Gus". B 910356 apparently has "probably something of interrest". S 71019 includes Donald's aunt "Thusnelda". In S 71098, Scrooge apparently has a grandfather named Mac Patus in the Brazilian version. Maybe this could be the same guy as Mac Paperson. Grandma Duck has a grand-uncle called Waldemar in the German version of S 77008. Is that one of the ones already on the tree? I TL 994-A apparently involves "somebody from whom the Ducks inherit a dog". I don't know who this is. I TL 1117-C has "ancestors of Donald, Custar, Adele in Danish, from 1800." Does anyone know if these people have last names? I TL 1366-B has a character named Angus McQuack, but I don't even know if he's a relative. Then there's Gala Gans, Gladstone's cousin from I TL 2038-3. However, I recall Scroogerello mentioning that this was incorrect. Can anyone confirm this? About I TL 2477-4, it says "cousins of the Ducks or rather ancestors? (Paperier)". I don't know what this means. Donald and Gladstone apparently have a great-grand-aunt in H 86130. Does anyone know if she has a name? It appears that Daisy has both a grand-aunt Agatha (H 2014-127) and an aunt Agathe (D 88142). I presume these are separate individuals. Grandma Duck has a "7th grade great-cousin" called Dorinda in D 97076. I assume this means seventh cousin, but I'm not sure. Daisy apparently has an ancestor called Daniel Duck in D 9266. Does anyone know when he existed?
I'm really curious about H 89122. According to the Daisy family tree that was posted in another thread, the relatives that pops up in this story are basically identical copies of Daisy's family in Donald's Diary. That's really confusing to me.
I noticed some characters are on the tree twice, under names from diferent translations; Scrooge's uncle Mac Paperon from I TL 1988-E is Schraalhans McDuck, and Scrooge's uncle Argus is Nestor McDuck.
As sim mentioned earlier, Fethry does not have an uncle and aunt in I TL 611-B; the names are from the Danish translation only.
(Also, IMO, Johannes Coot should be on the tree for completion's sake, despite the timeline stuff. He is Cornelius' brother, after all. Besides, virtually all non-Rosa stories place Cornelius' lifetime considerably earlier than "His Majesty McDuck").