I noticed some characters are on the tree twice, under names from diferent translations; Scrooge's uncle Mac Paperon from I TL 1988-E is Schraalhans McDuck, and Scrooge's uncle Argus is Nestor McDuck.
As sim mentioned earlier, Fethry does not have an uncle and aunt in I TL 611-B; the names are from the Danish translation only.
(Also, IMO, Johannes Coot should be on the tree for completion's sake, despite the timeline stuff. He is Cornelius' brother, after all. Besides, virtually all non-Rosa stories place Cornelius' lifetime considerably earlier than "His Majesty McDuck").
I noticed that, inconveniently for us, the "missing" list seems to have been last updated between the first and second Gilles trees, as some relatives are not on the first tree, on the missing list, and also on the second tree. The hilariously named Fethry ancestor Penael Bung, for instance. I hypothesize that's where the doubles came from.
Paper McDuck and Paper McPaper are also the same character, the Scrooge counterpart from Gone With the Wind.
Last Edit: May 15, 2021 17:01:19 GMT by stuftmcduck
Grandma's cousin George is oddly young, and his son Wilbert is Donald's age. I therefore made them a generation younger. He's still Hilda's and Wilhelmina's brother, just younger. If another Grandma-cousin pops up, I could put that person in as George's father. If George was Grandma's cousin's son, he could still be called her cousin, so this wouldn't be super-wrong. I decided to switch the places of McTavish Duck and his father (now son). This is because the soldier appears to give a handkerchief to a native American, which alludes to the Siege of Fort Pitt; an event taking place in 1763. The American Revolution soldier still fits as a generation later. McTavish is to have been around somewhen in the 1700s, around 200 years before "the present". Also, the Fort Pitt-soldier appears to recently have arrived in America, whereas McTavish was based in Scotland. I married Gustavo Coot to Jenny's sister. Both Gustavo and his daughter Amanda are said to be related to both Scrooge and Grandma. This is the simplest way I could think of making this working. I've moved the o'Papers to Daisy's side of the family. I've added Cornelius' uncle and cousins. Also, I've re-organized the Italian branch to a (hopefully) more accurate configuration. I also changed Hortense McDuck's image. While the grandmother from Barks' Best Christmas is still Hortense in my head-canon, I'm trying to stay away from fan-theories as much as possible. Instead, her portrait now shows her first appearance from No Hunting. I changed Dietbald's last name to McDuck and added Grattugia. I'll add the rest of the McDucks from Dietbald's story next time! Also, the Italian ducks should be at bit better now. And I added Duckan and Jacob McDuck. Also, I found Scrooge's cousin Sage McDuck from S 82025 on the Generation Duck blog.
I took a look at Gilles Maurice's missing-list. Here's the ones I placed: HDL's cousin Gastoncino from I TL 1907-A. Scrooge's cousin Dino from I TL 1963-C. Scrooge's uncle Mac Paperon from I TL 1988-E. Daisy's aunt Petunia from H 89136. Scrooge's uncle Dragomir from D 90157. Daisy's aunt Drunella from D 92348. Donald's great-grand-uncle Mortimer from D 92251 (apparently instead identified as cousin Dorian in German). I placed Mortimer where I previously had Pokerface McDuck. Pokerface is moved to being Potcrack's grandson instead. If anyone has a better idea, let me know. HDL's grand-aunt Elaine from D 94147 (Gilles' missing-list oddly says she's "aunt Daphne in English", but I looked up the English version and... no, she's Elaine). Donald’s grand-aunt Tryntsje Duck (Duckma in Dutch) from D 94238. I made her Joao Barbosa's mother. HDL's grand-aunt Hieronima from D 95169. Donald's uncle Drugbert (interesting name) from D 96112. HDL's aunt Berta from D 96172. Donald's uncle Dietram from D 97167. HDL's great-grand-uncle Darendorf Duck from D 99207. Daisy has yet another aunt in D 99218. This one is named Dora. Donald's uncle Otmar from D 3776. I added Donald's aunt Marga from D 4398 as a wife of one of Donald's uncles. Daisy has yet another uncle (!) in D 4067. This one is called Ottokar. I married him to one of her aunts. Gyro's aunt Agathe from D 4734. There's Donald's aunt Doris in D 6582, whom I made Zak McWak's wife. Fethry has an aunt and uncle in I TL 611-B. Does anyone know if they are siblings or if they are a couple? It would be neat to make them the parents of Sam Loon. Fethry has another uncle, Theobald, in D 3074. Donald's cousin Gorbinian from D 8662. Donald's nephew Detlev from D 9970. I made him Fred's son. Donald's aunt from D 2000-121, named Drübtraut. Scrooge's uncle Argus from D 2001-126. In order to spread out the relatives as much as possible, I've decided to place relatives only mentioned to be related to HDL on the latters' father's side of the tree.
Here's the ones I don't know where to place: Kristian Krikand, Jeremias von And, Johannes Gasefod from I TL 582-A. Donald apparently has an Aunt Evelyn in I TL 934-B. Is this the same Evelyn whom I have as Downy O'Drake's sister? B 770235 apparently has some "relatives of Gus". B 910356 apparently has "probably something of interrest". S 71019 includes Donald's aunt "Thusnelda". In S 71098, Scrooge apparently has a grandfather named Mac Patus in the Brazilian version. Maybe this could be the same guy as Mac Paperson. Grandma Duck has a grand-uncle called Waldemar in the German version of S 77008. Is that one of the ones already on the tree? I TL 994-A apparently involves "somebody from whom the Ducks inherit a dog". I don't know who this is. I TL 1117-C has "ancestors of Donald, Custar, Adele in Danish, from 1800." Does anyone know if these people have last names? I TL 1366-B has a character named Angus McQuack, but I don't even know if he's a relative. Then there's Gala Gans, Gladstone's cousin from I TL 2038-3. However, I recall Scroogerello mentioning that this was incorrect. Can anyone confirm this? About I TL 2477-4, it says "cousins of the Ducks or rather ancestors? (Paperier)". I don't know what this means. Donald and Gladstone apparently have a great-grand-aunt in H 86130. Does anyone know if she has a name? It appears that Daisy has both a grand-aunt Agatha (H 2014-127) and an aunt Agathe (D 88142). I presume these are separate individuals. Grandma Duck has a "7th grade great-cousin" called Dorinda in D 97076. I assume this means seventh cousin, but I'm not sure. Daisy apparently has an ancestor called Daniel Duck in D 9266. Does anyone know when he existed?
I'm really curious about H 89122. According to the Daisy family tree that was posted in another thread, the relatives that pops up in this story are basically identical copies of Daisy's family in Donald's Diary. That's really confusing to me.
Aunt Evelyn from I TL 934-B is called Paperalfonsina in the Italian version and Patonsina in the Brasilian, I didn't manage to get the English reprint though. The aunt from I TL 994-A is just Morag McDuck (both Scrooge and RKD's aunt), whom I already referred to.
Aunt Evelyn from I TL 934-B is called Paperalfonsina in the Italian version and Patonsina in the Brasilian, I didn't manage to get the English reprint though. The aunt from I TL 994-A is just Morag McDuck (both Scrooge and RKD's aunt), whom I already referred to.
Aah, yes! It's that Aunt Evelyn! There was an entire thread about her on the forum way back. It appears that she's said to be Donald's maternal aunt. Back when I started this project, I wanted to keep L&To$ intact and only have three McDuck-siblings, which is why I moved Evelyn to be Downy's sister instead (making her Donald's maternal grand-aunt instead!) However at this point, my tree includes so much contradictory information that I might as well include her as Scrooge's sister instead, even though that contradicts L&To$. But I've already included Gideon and Scrooge's twin, so why not Evelyn? I'll fix that for the next update!
Kristian Krikand, Jeremias von And, Johannes Gasefod from I TL 582-A.
As stuftmcduck said, they most probably are Pietrino Paperino (Donald's grandfather), Tom Paper (Pietrino's cousin. Both served in the Seventh Cavalrymen), Pieretto Paperetto (distant relative of Tom Paper and of Grandma Duck, here called "Genoveffa Papera"). They are the only relatives to appear or be mentioned in the story.
Then there's Gala Gans, Gladstone's cousin from I TL 2038-3. However, I recall Scroogerello mentioning that this was incorrect. Can anyone confirm this?
In the original there is no cousin. Gala Gans probably is Linda Paper, a duck-like character of which Gladstone is infatuated, but she hates the lucky people. Definitely not his cousin.
I TL 1366-B has a character named Angus McQuack, but I don't even know if he's a relative.
In the original he is called Angus mcQuacktrin (a pun on the onomatopea "quack" and the word "quattrini", a term to refer to the money). He isn't a relative of Scrooge, but just a rich man that all the children in Scotland idolized during Scrooge's childhood.
I TL 1117-C has "ancestors of Donald, Custar, Adele in Danish, from 1800." Does anyone know if these people have last names?
The story tell about an ancestor of Donald, of which he rilives the experience a la Assassins Creed. The ancestor is called "Little Paper" (not clear if it's a nickname or his real name. It is sometime used with quotation marks, sometimes he said that as if it was a name [see images]), and by the end of the story he marries "miss Paperett", daughter of the general Custar. Seeing that it is always with the title, it's probable that "Custar" is the surname, and so the daughter is "Paperett Custar". For "Little Paper" maybe is surname is "Paper", and "Little" is the name or a nickname that he used at the time?
For the time Gyro says that he is around "1800 e rotti" (literally "1800 and broken", meaning "around 1800 (the year)" or "around 1800 (the century)", probably the second because they mention Fort Apache and Michigan).
I could see conflating "Little Paper" with Danial "Bluffer" Duck, imagining that Paper was just a translation of Duck, and Little the nickname that he used in that period. Both were soldiers in roughly the same period. But if we do that, we have to move Anatrocle and Grattugia, since they would have to be Custar, not Ock.
About I TL 2477-4, it says "cousins of the Ducks or rather ancestors? (Paperier)". I don't know what this means.
They are one of the multiple stories of characters identical to the main cast with different names and in a different time. In this specific case, in 17th century France, they are Paperon de' Papergnac (SmD lookalike), uncle of two: only called "the cousins Paperier" (one looks like Fethry and the other like Donald). Of the simil-Donald we know that he didn't have siblings, for his own quote.
In the story, which is set as Gyro telling HDL about the inventor of the air ballon, there is no mention of a relation between the modern ducks and those lokkalikes.
But if in the story they aren't related, outside of the story there are mention of a relation between the two families. In fact, in the number 26 (Aramouse and other stories) of La Storia Universale Disney edited by Rizzoli there is our connection. In one of the articles talking about real history, there is a panel from the story with a caption saying "if the ancestor of uncle Scrooge hadn't stopped his nephews from patenting their invention, maybe today the air ballon would be known as 'paperiera'". Only factor against the inclusion in the tree is, how much canon is this article? The book was published by Rizzoli, and despite don't having an author, probably the article wasn't written by a disney writer, but by an historian or something similar.
Plus if you accept that, you would have to accept a lot more character becoming ancestors, because this isn't an isolated event, but it is repeated for various stories in different volumes.
HDL's cousin Gastoncino from I TL 1907-A.
Gastoncino isn't a new character, it is the italian name of Shamrock Gander.
Regarding the italian side, maybe wasn't clear in the comment, but Paperina and Papernicola are both definitely niblings of Papero Brontolon. I said that maybe they're cousins because there are no clue pointing to them as siblings. So to me the most logical conclusion is that they are children of two different siblings of Papero Brontolon.
So here's why I asked if Inducks images could be enlarged. There are actually a number of pictures of relatives LP's tree is missing... but they're all really really small. I'll post them here for posterity.
Donald mentions his uncle Stumpy Splayfoot in D 8162, it is not clear though if he is supposed to be alive or not.
Grandma Duck and Scrooge shares a relative in S 85236, she refers to him as her great-uncle Paperonzo (Patelio in the Brasilian), Scrooge just calls him uncle... a few flashbacks are shown through the story.
Wow, it's Update #6: I have now added every relative mentioned in the thread since Update #5, I've removed the ones who were duplicates (it appears I had three Aunt Evelyn/Paperalfonsina on the tree last time!), and I've also moved around Humperdink Duck's siblings' branch a bit (as usual). The relatives listed as both Grandma's and Scrooge's relatives are now connected one generation further back in time by Grandma's grand-uncle Paperonzo. I think that's all.
Here's the ones that are still a mystery from Gilles missing-list: B 770235 apparently has some "relatives of Gus". In S 71098, Scrooge apparently has a grandfather named Mac Patus in the Brazilian version. Maybe this could be the same guy as Mac Paperson. Does this man appear in flashbacks or images, or is he just mentioned? Donald and Gladstone apparently have a great-grand-aunt in H 86130. Does anyone know if she has a name? Grandma Duck has a "7th grade great-cousin" called Dorinda in D 97076. I assume this means seventh cousin, but I'm not sure. Daisy apparently has an ancestor called Daniel Duck in D 9266. Does anyone know when he existed?
Wow, it's Update #6: I have now added every relative mentioned in the thread since Update #5, I've removed the ones who were duplicates (it appears I had three Aunt Evelyn/Paperalfonsina on the tree last time!), and I've also moved around Humperdink Duck's siblings' branch a bit (as usual). The relatives listed as both Grandma's and Scrooge's relatives are now connected one generation further back in time by Grandma's grand-uncle Paperonzo. I think that's all.
Here's the ones that are still a mystery from Gilles missing-list: B 770235 apparently has some "relatives of Gus". In S 71098, Scrooge apparently has a grandfather named Mac Patus in the Brazilian version. Maybe this could be the same guy as Mac Paperson. Does this man appear in flashbacks or images, or is he just mentioned? Donald and Gladstone apparently have a great-grand-aunt in H 86130. Does anyone know if she has a name? Grandma Duck has a "7th grade great-cousin" called Dorinda in D 97076. I assume this means seventh cousin, but I'm not sure. Daisy apparently has an ancestor called Daniel Duck in D 9266. Does anyone know when he existed?
Unlickily, B 770235 only features Goofy and Mickey Mouse...
Mac Patus is only mentioned, but we actually are shown some ancestor of Scrooge's (might be him though)
HDL's great-grand-uncle Darendorf Duck from D 99207. [...] Donald's aunt from D 2000-121, named Drübtraut. Scrooge's uncle Argus from D 2001-126. [...] Grandma Duck has a "7th grade great-cousin" called Dorinda in D 97076. I assume this means seventh cousin, but I'm not sure.
In the original English: Dorinda in D 97076 actually has that name, and is Grandma's "second cousin twice removed." "Darendorf" in D 99207 is Donald's "great-granduncle Cornelius" (apparently not Coot!). "Argus" in D 2001-126 is actually Argyle.
(Sadly, I don't have any more of these in English, but that's a few...)
Where in D 2000-121 is an aunt mentioned or shown? (As far as I can see, the story is all Donald, Gyro, and HDL...)
Mac Patus is only mentioned, but we actually are shown some ancestor of Scrooge's (might be him though)
According to Google Translate, the dialogue reads:
SCROOGE: How did our grandparents expel the yellow claw tribe? THE OTHER NATIVE AMERICAN GUY: They be brave warriors!
So, Scrooge is talking about his grandparents while pointing at the picture. This is in the same story which is about his grandfather MacPatus. While I don't have the wider context of this, based on only these facts I think it's reasonable to assume that the man in the picture is indeed MacPatus. Unless anyone has anything against it, I'll be merging Mac O'Drake (Mac Paperson) and this MacPatus for the next update.
It's nice to finally have an image of Scrooge's maternal grandfather. He doesn't look too dissimilar from the fan-drawing of Mac Paperson that's floating around the web either!