My utmost congratulations on (probably) finishing! I sure wish we could get ahold of Gilles; I know he'd be proud. Do keep the thread open for finding pictures and the possibility more relatives could be created, though!
One minor correction: the character called "Paper McDuck" on the Gilles tree is the Gone With The Wind version of Scrooge, who you have as "McPaper McDuck." As such you accidentally have him on your tree twice.
Thank you, and once again thanks to the people in this thread who made this possible! I have no plans to close the thread, so don't worry!
I'll have a look at the Paper/McPaper-issue tomorrow!
Hello once more. Since this project appears to be more or less over, I thought it might be interesting to tally the results. After removing the double Paper McDuck, I decided to count the number of relatives on the tree. Here are the results:
134 of the relatives on the tree are grey faceless portraits. No information is known about these relatives (since they don't exist) and their purpose is mostly to link one relative to another. 670 of the relatives have either a name, a portrait, or has been referred to in some shape or form.
Total number of relatives on the tree: 804
Also, there were some relatives that I knew existed, but the only available image were from Gilles Maurice's tree. I have finally decided to use screen-grabs from his tree for those relatives on my tree. I figured that low-resolution images are better than none. Now I have truly completed this tree to the best of my abilities. I think I'll celebrate by making myself a ham-sandwich!
I would like to suggest a small corretion on the Gadwall family
Pataco, Patagão, Hortensia and Donaldo are all from a brazilian story about Elvira and Scrooge's childhood that i was able to read recently. Yes, this is one of those stories in which they are related...
anyway, while Pataco, Hortensia and Donaldo are Elvira's great-grandfather, grandma and uncle, Patagão is not her grandfather. He is actually her great-uncle, being either Hortensia's brother-in-law or brother. I'd go with the second option, and i would also put Pataco as their father
* There are three stories featuring a character named Chip Gearloose, a descendant of Gyro from the future. We're not told when in the future he lives exactly, but it should be noted that in the English versions of the stories, he speaks with the same accent as Eega Beeva, who we know is from the year 3,000.
* A Mickey Mouse story features another descendant of Gyro. His name is GL 13, and he is from the 29th century. * I see that you chose to make "Uncle Euclid" a brother of Gyro's mother. Is there any particular reason for that? * There's the matter of "Grandpa Gearloose" from the story "Flipsy Tootle." Now of course, we could always handwave it and say he's just Ratchet in another form, but there are some obstacles. In the Brazilian story "Monotonopolis," which hasn't been published in English (or French) so far, Euclid (Gyro's "Tio Sabiá") calls him Vovô, that is, grandpa. Therefore, he seems to be Euclid's grandfather, i. e. Gyro's great-grandfather --- on whose side, though? * The oldest ancestor of Gyro I've come across so far seems to be Jason --- yes, as in Jason and the Argonauts --- as seen in "Trapped in Time." Another, more "recent" ancestor is a guy from the European Middle Age that appeared in the story "Paperleon dai Scorcia." In the original Italian, he's just Archimedio, and in French Géronimus Trouvetoult.
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Ah, yes, I'm familiar with that one! There's another thread on this forum from last year (or maybe even the year before), where I tried to chronicle the McDuck ancestors. That one goes back further than the ultimate tree, but it only covers fathers and grandfathers, and so on. No uncles or cousins. And no mothers, since the name McDuck only follows the male ancestors.
I would like to suggest a small corretion on the Gadwall family
Pataco, Patagão, Hortensia and Donaldo are all from a brazilian story about Elvira and Scrooge's childhood that i was able to read recently. Yes, this is one of those stories in which they are related...
anyway, while Pataco, Hortensia and Donaldo are Elvira's great-grandfather, grandma and uncle, Patagão is not her grandfather. He is actually her great-uncle, being either Hortensia's brother-in-law or brother. I'd go with the second option, and i would also put Pataco as their father
Oh no, I was really happy that I had found maternal grandparents for Elvira! And I really like Patagão in that spot too! Well, I got the idea that Patagão is her grandfather from some of the wikis out there. Someone should correct those entries to stop the misinformation. Anyways, thank you for clearing that up!
So, what do I do with Gertrude Gadwall's father now? Well, I guess there's that guy from W WDC 161-11 who's on Gilles Maurice's tree. I always thought of him and his wife as early incarnations of Elvira's parents (not grandparents), but I guess it's better than nothing.
* I see that you chose to make "Uncle Euclid" a brother of Gyro's mother. Is there any particular reason for that?
* There's the matter of "Grandpa Gearloose" from the story "Flipsy Tootle." Now of course, we could always handwave it and say he's just Ratchet in another form, but there are some obstacles. In the Brazilian story "Monotonopolis," which hasn't been published in English (or French) so far, Euclid (Gyro's "Tio Sabiá") calls him Vovô, that is, grandpa. Therefore, he seems to be Euclid's grandfather, i. e. Gyro's great-grandfather --- on whose side, though?
My placement of Euclid (and Grandpa Gearloose) is based on something I read on XanderAres' blog. (I'll try to find the relevant blog post later!) It might have been a mistranslation though. But since Ratchet is Gyro's paternal grandfather, Grandpa Gearloose would have to be his maternal grandfather. And due to Euclid's connection to Grandpa Gearloose, I put Euclid as Gyro's maternal uncle. I don't think Euclid is ever called "Gearloose", but I could of course be wrong. The blog post mentioned that Grandpa Gearloose was supposed to be an elderly Professor Pardalto (I can certainly see the resemblance!). So they are supposed to occupy the same slot in my tree. Also, I seem to recall that Grandpa Gearloose wasn't even called "Gearloose" in the original language (or rather, that language's counterpart of "Gearloose"). Thus allowing for Grandpa Gearloose to not be an actual Gearloose... although it's entirely possible that I've misunderstood something. (Luckily, I can blame Google's automatic translation this time!)
However, the fact that Grandpa Gearloose is supposed to be Euclid's grandfather rather than father is news to me! Have I understood correctly that Grandpa Gearloose is Gyro's grandfather in Flipsy Tootle, but Euclid's grandfather in Monotonopolis? If that's the case, a fitting solution would be similar to that of Grandma Duck. Everyone calls her Grandma, even though she's not necessarily their grandmother. In this case, Euclid would call Grandpa Gearloose "Grandpa", even though Grandpa is in fact his father... How does Gyro refer to Grandpa Gearloose? I mean, Grandpa Gearloose can't be both Gyro and Euclid's grandfather... unless we get into messy territories. If the "Grandma Duck-solution" works, I'd prefer to go with that.
* I see that you chose to make "Uncle Euclid" a brother of Gyro's mother. Is there any particular reason for that?
* There's the matter of "Grandpa Gearloose" from the story "Flipsy Tootle." Now of course, we could always handwave it and say he's just Ratchet in another form, but there are some obstacles. In the Brazilian story "Monotonopolis," which hasn't been published in English (or French) so far, Euclid (Gyro's "Tio Sabiá") calls him Vovô, that is, grandpa. Therefore, he seems to be Euclid's grandfather, i. e. Gyro's great-grandfather --- on whose side, though?
My placement of Euclid (and Grandpa Gearloose) is based on something I read on XanderAres' blog. (I'll try to find the relevant blog post later!) It might have been a mistranslation though. But since Ratchet is Gyro's paternal grandfather, Grandpa Gearloose would have to be his maternal grandfather. And due to Euclid's connection to Grandpa Gearloose, I put Euclid as Gyro's maternal uncle. I don't think Euclid is ever called "Gearloose", but I could of course be wrong. The blog post mentioned that Grandpa Gearloose was supposed to be an elderly Professor Pardalto (I can certainly see the resemblance!). So they are supposed to occupy the same slot in my tree. Also, I seem to recall that Grandpa Gearloose wasn't even called "Gearloose" in the original language (or rather, that language's counterpart of "Gearloose"). Thus allowing for Grandpa Gearloose to not be an actual Gearloose... although it's entirely possible that I've misunderstood something. (Luckily, I can blame Google's automatic translation this time!)
However, the fact that Grandpa Gearloose is supposed to be Euclid's grandfather rather than father is news to me! Have I understood correctly that Grandpa Gearloose is Gyro's grandfather in Flipsy Tootle, but Euclid's grandfather in Monotonopolis? If that's the case, a fitting solution would be similar to that of Grandma Duck. Everyone calls her Grandma, even though she's not necessarily their grandmother. In this case, Euclid would call Grandpa Gearloose "Grandpa", even though Grandpa is in fact his father... How does Gyro refer to Grandpa Gearloose? I mean, Grandpa Gearloose can't be both Gyro and Euclid's grandfather... unless we get into messy territories. If the "Grandma Duck-solution" works, I'd prefer to go with that.
I'll endeavour to re-read the story carefully, but as far as I can remember, both Gyro and Euclid call him Vovô (i.e. Grandpa), and therefore you're probably right about the "Grandma Duck-solution." I'll let you know either way.
I'll endeavour to re-read the story carefully, but as far as I can remember, both Gyro and Euclid call him Vovô (i.e. Grandpa), and therefore you're probably right about the "Grandma Duck-solution." I'll let you know either way.
It says nothing of Euclid referring to Grandpa Gearloose as his own grandfather, and this is pretty much the only source I have been working with when it comes to the two characters! It's a fascinating read nonetheless!
This other post talks about Gyro's other great-grandparents, so I'll link that too: generationduck.blogspot.com/2019/04/laltro-bisnonno-di-archimede.html This one also mentions a name for the character I've placed as Grandpa Gearloose/Professor Pardalto's father: Macuco. I'll have too add that!
* [..] Another, more "recent" ancestor is a guy from the European Middle Age that appeared in the story "Paperleon dai Scorcia." In the original Italian, he's just Archimedio, and in French Géronimus Trouvetoult.
Is he stated to be an ancestor of Gyro in the french version? Because in italian it is only a Gyro's lookalike. There are lots of stories which similarly use the appearence of the Disney cast, but aren't said to be related (technically those aren't said to be not related, too).
* [..] Another, more "recent" ancestor is a guy from the European Middle Age that appeared in the story "Paperleon dai Scorcia." In the original Italian, he's just Archimedio, and in French Géronimus Trouvetoult.
Is he stated to be an ancestor of Gyro in the french version? Because in italian it is only a Gyro's lookalike. There are lots of stories which similarly use the appearence of the Disney cast, but aren't said to be related (technically those aren't said to be not related, too).
That's a very pertinent remark. No, the French version doesn't specify that he is an ancestor if Gyro, but it does give him the surname "Trouvetoult," which is Gyro's French surname (Trouvetou) with a pseudo medieval twist, so I kinda jumped the gun here.
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Speaking of characters with similar surnames that aren't confirmed to be related, I stumbled upon this guy the other day:
Manager Coot from The Money Champ. Gilles Maurice's tree has him as Cornelia Coot's father, which seems like an okay choice to me. However, there's nothing concrete connecting him to the specific Coot family that we are familiar with, other than him having the same name. So, how do you guys think I should handle this one?