Speaking of characters with similar surnames that aren't confirmed to be related, I stumbled upon this guy the other day:
Manager Coot from The Money Champ. Gilles Maurice's tree has him as Cornelia Coot's father, which seems like an okay choice to me. However, there's nothing concrete connecting him to the specific Coot family that we are familiar with, other than him having the same name. So, how do you guys think I should handle this one?
Well, i see no problem in making him related to the Coot kin we know, and Cornelia doesn't has any parents in your tree, so at least a father would be a good addition
Manager Coot from The Money Champ. Gilles Maurice's tree has him as Cornelia Coot's father, which seems like an okay choice to me. However, there's nothing concrete connecting him to the specific Coot family that we are familiar with, other than him having the same name. So, how do you guys think I should handle this one?
I personally prefer keeping separate the unclear to the canon relatives. Then maybe add a second version, where I stray from the official sources and add this kind of characters.
An ancestor that I've recently rediscovered (and don't see on the tree already) is Paper Trapper from Zio Paperone e la distorsione temporale. Here he is called "ancestor of Scrooge", and Scrooge says that his ancestor contribuited to Duckburg's foundation, almost 300 years ago. We are also shown some glimpse of the Duckburg of those times, and we can infer that it was under the control of His/Her Majesty, during a period when they were in conflict with the "Indians" (Native Americans).
Paper Trapper and Scrooge are similar enough to be confused.
An ancestor that I've recently rediscovered (and don't see on the tree already) is Paper Trapper from Zio Paperone e la distorsione temporale. Here he is called "ancestor of Scrooge", and Scrooge says that his ancestor contribuited to Duckburg's foundation, almost 300 years ago. We are also shown some glimpse of the Duckburg of those times, and we can infer that it was under the control of His/Her Majesty, during a period when they were in conflict with the "Indians" (Native Americans).
Paper Trapper and Scrooge are similar enough to be confused.
He contributed to Duckburg's foundation 300 years ago? As a lover of Rosa's work which states Duckburg is about 130 years old i'm not sure if i like that
Anyway, if this character was already an old man 300 years ago (around 1650) then perhaps he could be Danblane's father? I'm not even sure if Danblane is on LP's family tree, i'll check it out. For some reason i love him
An ancestor that I've recently rediscovered (and don't see on the tree already) is Paper Trapper from Zio Paperone e la distorsione temporale. Here he is called "ancestor of Scrooge", and Scrooge says that his ancestor contribuited to Duckburg's foundation, almost 300 years ago. We are also shown some glimpse of the Duckburg of those times, and we can infer that it was under the control of His/Her Majesty, during a period when they were in conflict with the "Indians" (Native Americans).
Paper Trapper and Scrooge are similar enough to be confused.
He contributed to Duckburg's foundation 300 years ago? As a lover of Rosa's work which states Duckburg is about 130 years old i'm not sure if i like that
Anyway, if this character was already an old man 300 years ago (around 1650) then perhaps he could be Danblane's father? I'm not even sure if Danblane is on LP's family tree, i'll check it out. For some reason i love him
Yep, Danblane isn't there
Let's see...Paper Trapper could be Duncan's father or Locksley maternal grandfather if "Trapper" is his last name
An ancestor that I've recently rediscovered (and don't see on the tree already) is Paper Trapper from Zio Paperone e la distorsione temporale. Here he is called "ancestor of Scrooge", and Scrooge says that his ancestor contribuited to Duckburg's foundation, almost 300 years ago. We are also shown some glimpse of the Duckburg of those times, and we can infer that it was under the control of His/Her Majesty, during a period when they were in conflict with the "Indians" (Native Americans).
Paper Trapper and Scrooge are similar enough to be confused.
According to my tree, because of Cornelius Coot's placement, Duckburg wasn't founded 300 years ago. So I'm debating whether to put Paper Trapper 300 years before Scrooge, or in the same generation as Cornelius. The way I've dealt with these kinds of situations before is to adapt to the temporal indicator that is the most "important". In this case, that would be that he was present at Duckburg's foundation. The "300" could easily be altered to "200" or "150" without much consequence.
The fact that Paper Trapper was in Duckburg, USA would suggest that he belongs on the American branch of the McDuck-clan. Luckily, the spot in Cornelius Coot's generation is free! Paper Trapper could be the son of Jean-Claude MacDuck and father of Scrooge Geremia MacDuck!
This is admittedly just a guess, but given the distinctive hat and association with corn, I feel like Barks probably intended Cornelius to be a Pilgrim, active in the early 1600s. Rosa made him a Pioneer, of two centuries later, I assume because, well, it wouldn't make much sense for a Pilgrim to settle on the West coast.
Update #11 I've inserted Paper Trapper on the American MacDuck branch. There has also been some rearrangement in the Gadwall area. Patagão is now Elvira's grand-uncle, as he should be. Since the WDC 161-character seems to be Elvira's father rather than grandfather, I decided to not use him in that position. However, this caused me to reconsider my placement of the No Hunting-Grandpa. All we know about him is that he was a bison hunter. The bison nearly went extinct around 1889-1900. As Elvira was born around 1855, her grandfather could have been born around 1805. That would make him around 85 during the near-extinction period, but he would have been at a fitting age to be partially responsible for the declining bison population throughout the 1800s. At least it's better than having him a generation earlier. This further means that the No Hunting-Grandpa's wife has been merged with Grandma Hortensia. I don't consider that an issue though, as they look similar enough.
That's it. The current total of portraits is 135 blanks, 671 identified relatives, which results in a total of 806 portraits on the tree.
In the same story in which Harpagão MacShato came from, Scrooge mentions an uncle called MacHavaro, who is said to be still alive and is implied to be Harpagão's father, which would make his full name MacHavaro MacShato
Also, John Lustig (Bogey McDivot's creator) once said on an interview that he was the grandson of Quagmire McDuck. Quagmire had two daughters: Elizabeth and Margaret. Elizabeth married a certain Mr. McDivot and became Bogey's mother, while Margaret married a certain Mr. Glomgold, who was Brickheart Glomgold's second cousin
Also, John Lustig (Bogey McDivot's creator) once said on an interview that he was the grandson of Quagmire McDuck. Quagmire had two daughters: Elizabeth and Margaret. Elizabeth married a certain Mr. McDivot and became Bogey's mother, while Margaret married a certain Mr. Glomgold, who was Brickheart Glomgold's second cousin
This piece of information comes from a talk I had with John and that was published years ago on the Danish Rappet, it surprises me that someone is aware of it, I guess I should thank some Duck Wikia. Anyway, LP already stated in this thread that he won't consider that relationship because it's not from a published Disney story.
Also, John Lustig (Bogey McDivot's creator) once said on an interview that he was the grandson of Quagmire McDuck. Quagmire had two daughters: Elizabeth and Margaret. Elizabeth married a certain Mr. McDivot and became Bogey's mother, while Margaret married a certain Mr. Glomgold, who was Brickheart Glomgold's second cousin
This piece of information comes from a talk I had with John and that was published years ago on the Danish Rappet, it surprises me that someone is aware of it, I guess I should thank some Duck Wikia. Anyway, LP already stated in this thread that he won't consider that relationship because it's not from a published Disney story.
Oh, i see. That's fair, everyone has a different view on how those characters relate to each other, though i usually prefer to stick with predeterminated relationships than ignoring them, even if they are from "offpanel" sources
Also, yes, i learned this information in a Duck Wikia. More specifically the Scrooge McDuck Wiki which is a very valuable source of informations about the Disney comics
Scrooge has some Duck relatives, which wouldn't make any sense considering that his parents' last names are McDuck and O'Drake...but what about his grandparents?
We know Grandpa McDuck, Grandma Mallard, Grandpa O'Drake and...what's the last name of Downy's mother, who some fans associate with the italian Grandma Jenny?
What if Jenny's maiden name was Duck?
The Duck family from which Quackmore comes from descends from Captain D. Duck, who came to the Americas in 1620. But there are Duck relatives who still lived in Europe through the 1700s and the 1800s. Maybe they came from a different Duck family who stayed in the old world until the XIX century? The scottish McTavish Duck and the english Dinald Duck are some examples
Is it possible that Jenny is a member of this supposed european Duck family? It would make things a LOT easier
If Jenny was a Duck, Silas Elias could be her father. Daniel and Dinald her brothers. Swashbuckle, Mazuma, Tom, Drake, Harry and even Moby Duck, who apparently was said to be a cousin of Scrooge once, could all be related to the european Duck family
Scrooge appears along the elders of the "Duck Clan" in The Giant of Duckburg. Could this be because his grandmother was a Duck? And the Duck Clan from this story might not be the most common Duck family, but the Ducks who stayed in Europe until Daniel Duck came to Duckburg
It's a strange theory, but yet it makes sense, at least for me
Also, in Don Rosa's original sketch of the Duck family tree, Downy's name was Downy Duck. Of course, this is a scrapped content, but does hints at the possibility that Downy is somehow related to a Duck family. Not necessarily the one we all know
This piece of information comes from a talk I had with John and that was published years ago on the Danish Rappet, it surprises me that someone is aware of it, I guess I should thank some Duck Wikia. Anyway, LP already stated in this thread that he won't consider that relationship because it's not from a published Disney story.
Oh, i see. That's fair, everyone has a different view on how those characters relate to each other, though i usually prefer to stick with predeterminated relationships than ignoring them, even if they are from "offpanel" sources
Also, yes, i learned this information in a Duck Wikia. More specifically the Scrooge McDuck Wiki which is a very valuable source of informations about the Disney comics
As Sim said, Bogey's relation to Scrooge was discussed earlier in the thread. If there weren't any problem with the author's intent, I wouldn't mind including Lustig's view of their relation on the tree. However, I seem to recall that it's a plot point in Bogey's story that he is equally closely related to Flintheart as he is to Scrooge. The "Quagmire's grandson"-idea made Flintheart Bogey's first cousin, while Scrooge would only be his second cousin. (Apologies if I misremembered some detail!)
While the Scrooge McDuck Wiki no doubt has its positive sides, beware of the amount of fanon-content masquerading as official information on the site.
Oh, i see. That's fair, everyone has a different view on how those characters relate to each other, though i usually prefer to stick with predeterminated relationships than ignoring them, even if they are from "offpanel" sources
Also, yes, i learned this information in a Duck Wikia. More specifically the Scrooge McDuck Wiki which is a very valuable source of informations about the Disney comics
As Sim said, Bogey's relation to Scrooge was discussed earlier in the thread. If there weren't any problem with the author's intent, I wouldn't mind including Lustig's view of their relation on the tree. However, I seem to recall that it's a plot point in Bogey's story that he is equally closely related to Flintheart as he is to Scrooge. The "Quagmire's grandson"-idea made Flintheart Bogey's first cousin, while Scrooge would only be his second cousin. (Apologies if I misremembered some detail!)
While the Scrooge McDuck Wiki no doubt has its positive sides, beware of the amount of fanon-content masquerading as official information on the site.
Indeed. That's why i don't trust 100% in the Scrooge McDuck Wiki
Also, actually in Lustig's theory of Bogey as Quagmire's grandson, he is actually Scrooge's second cousin and Flintheart's second cousin once removed's nephew. Just a correction