The "ultimate" Duck family tree

[alquackskey]

Nov 26, 2022 18:07:05 GMT sim said:

Nov 26, 2022 17:51:27 GMT alquackskey said:

Hi all! Apologies for taking so long with indexing - lots going on. I'm still ticking away at it, though!

Just wondering if anyone could verify where the pic for Sourdough McDuck comes from? There doesn't seem to be any concrete information on him, but there seems to be some question around whether he actually appeared in the story in question

Any help would be appreciated!

Where is he now on the tree?

Btw, Scrooge's ancestor Douglas McDuck (Sargasso de' Paperoni in Italian, not sure where the name "Douglas" come from) probably didn't even exist, as Scrooge later confesses that he bought all that stuff he's been displaying to audience (most likely statue included) from a junk dealer.

On LP's tree, he's on Line 4, beside Catfish McDuck, 2 after Fergus McDuck 
On mkr's tree, he's in about the same position

[sim]

Nov 26, 2022 18:10:06 GMT alquackskey said:

Nov 26, 2022 18:07:05 GMT sim said:

Where is he now on the tree?

Btw, Scrooge's ancestor Douglas McDuck (Sargasso de' Paperoni in Italian, not sure where the name "Douglas" come from) probably didn't even exist, as Scrooge later confesses that he bought all that stuff he's been displaying to audience (most likely statue included) from a junk dealer.

On LP's tree, he's on Line 4, beside Catfish McDuck, 2 after Fergus McDuck 
On mkr's tree, he's in about the same position

Sourdough appears in W BBVS 1-01 and I can confirm he was Scrooge's uncle and "he struck it rich mining gold in '49!"

[TheMidgetMoose]

Love all the hard work you're doing, alquackskey ! Just a few notes on the tree overall: I personally will still advocate for, if it can be done and still make sense, some sort of restructuring of the family tree that places (hope this is a list of all the characters need to be here) Paperonzo, Gustavo, Amanda Duck (still unsure of her name in the original script), Zenone Anatrone, Asa Duck, maybe Antonius Duck, Pieretto, Swashbuckle Duck, Edipo, Douglas McDuck, Whitewater Duck, Mazuma Duck, and Mazuma's nephews Tom, Drake, and Harry all on the same branch, a branch that connects in some way to Scrooge's family, Grandma's family, and the Duck family. mkr suggested that Dead-Eye Dick Duck be made a relative of the main Duck family and that Paperonzo be made into Asa's son with all the other characters as his descendants, which would make all these descendants be kin to Grandma Duck (Dead-Eye Dick, in this case, is still the grandfather of Donaldo Gadwall), be surnamed Duck (for the most part), and be kin to Scrooge McDuck (through Paperonzo's marriage to Jenny MacGoose's aunt). I would like to add another character whom I think should be placed on this branch: Featherbrain Duck.

Featherbrain is currently on the tree as Humperdink Duck's brother. I just recently read Featherbain's story, Showdown at Smoky Acre (INDUCKS), for the first time. As far as I can tell, Featherbrain's exact relationship to Donald is not expounded upon. Donald actually calls him an "ancestor," which would technically mean that he should be a direct ancestor of Donald's. That's hard to swallow, though, and in fact, I think there's some evidence against that. A key point in the story is that when Featherbrain died, his land was inherited by Scrooge McDuck! Now maybe he just randomly wrote Scrooge into his will, but the intention seems to be that Scrooge is related to Featherbrain and perhaps more closely related to him than Donald is. Based on this, I would suggest moving him to this branch as well. However, I would not give him any children. If he had any children, then I would assume that they would have inherited Smoky Acre, not Scrooge.

Presently, Moby, Upsy, Dimwitty, Fethry, Dora, Dugan, Dimwitty Jr., and Nancy are all descendants of Featherbrain. My suggestion, of course, would require for their positions on the tree to be re-evaluated. Interestingly, Upsy could potentially take Featherbrain's place as the brother of Humperdink and the founder of the branch. In the dialogue of Mastering the Matterhorn (INDUCKS), Donald calls Upsy his uncle, and Huey, Dewey, and Louie call him their "great uncle." However, one narration box describes Upsy as Donald's great-uncle instead. Now, of course, this was probably just an error on the part of the writer/editor, but it does give us the opportunity to choose either to trust Donald, Huey, Dewey, and Louie to have their number of "greats" correct or to trust the narrator (whomever he or she may be ) to have their knowledge of Duck genealogy correct. In other words, I think we're allowed to move Upsy up a generation if it works best for the sake of the tree.

Upsy could then be Humperdink's brother. Moby could be his son. Fethry, Nancy, Dimwitty, and Dora could be his grandchildren, and Dugan and Dimwitty, Jr. could be his great-grandchildren. Who, though, would be the father of Fethry, Nancy, Dimwitty, and Dora? Well, my headcanon still has Eider Duck as their father, but I know that idea was discarded for the purposes of this tree a long, long time ago. Without Eider as a candidate, I'm left drawing a blank. Perhaps Uncle Jo from A Bad Dream (INDUCKS) that Scroogerello brought up recently? He wears glasses like Nancy, and the need for glasses can be genetic. He also a somewhat wild, Fethry-esque hairdo. He also appears to enjoy wearing a hat, as do Fethry and Dimwitty.

Regarding the mix-up of Clinton and Casey Coot both being called Cornelius's sons in Green Hope, I think it might be fun to consider that Clinton had a brother named Casey whom he named his son after. I understand it was a small mistake, but Phooey Duck was a small mistake at first, too. Look at the fun that's come from that character. Why not have two Casey Coots? Not that there's anything wrong with just sticking with the one, of course.

mkr , I just got a look at the updated "About" page on your family tree website. It looks great! Exactly what I had in mind! Thank you for including my username among those who contributed, but please feel free to remove it. I don't think that I've actually had any ideas to make it into the tree yet, except for perhaps the small suggestion to merge Rosa's Daphne with Bob Karp and Al Taliaferro's Aunt Daphne. Thank you, though!

[sim]

Nov 26, 2022 18:07:05 GMT sim said:

Nov 26, 2022 17:51:27 GMT alquackskey said:

Hi all! Apologies for taking so long with indexing - lots going on. I'm still ticking away at it, though!

Just wondering if anyone could verify where the pic for Sourdough McDuck comes from? There doesn't seem to be any concrete information on him, but there seems to be some question around whether he actually appeared in the story in question

Any help would be appreciated!

Where is he now on the tree?

Btw, Scrooge's ancestor Douglas McDuck (Sargasso de' Paperoni in Italian, not sure where the name "Douglas" come from) probably didn't even exist, as Scrooge later confesses that he bought all that stuff he's been displaying to audience (most likely statue included) from a junk dealer.

alquackskey Sargasso was the name of the fake ancestor. Victor appears in the same story and he is an actual cousin of Scrooge, his name in the original story is "Mac Paperon".

[alquackskey]

Dec 1, 2022 23:44:08 GMT sim said:

Nov 26, 2022 18:07:05 GMT sim said:

Where is he now on the tree?

Btw, Scrooge's ancestor Douglas McDuck (Sargasso de' Paperoni in Italian, not sure where the name "Douglas" come from) probably didn't even exist, as Scrooge later confesses that he bought all that stuff he's been displaying to audience (most likely statue included) from a junk dealer.

alquackskey Sargasso was the name of the fake ancestor. Victor appears in the same story and he is an actual cousin of Scrooge, his name in the original story is "Mac Paperon".

Thank you again!
I'll mark his real name down as Mac Paperon, so

[alquackskey]

So, I know that the index is readily available, but I thought that, for the sake of convenience, I'd do an updated list of the characters that need verification of some kind:

APPEARANCE/TRANSLATED NAME VERIFIED, ORIGINAL NAME NEEDS VERIFICATION:

Bucky McDuck: D 6572
Johann: D 6190
Fritz: S 63051
Dali Duck: D 2459
Ronald Duck: D 2004-149
Volfram Duck: D 2021-013
Fred: H 85125 (Possibly Thijs)
Bran McDuck: D 6572
Bruce McDuck: D 8824
Zeke Mocksson: D 2001-168
Marga: D 4398
Marthe: S 75121
Andedun: D 2031
Esmeralda Gander: D 2014-056
Draper Duck: D 2015-138
Genoveffa: S 73211
Meg McDuck: D 10094
Angus McDuck: D 88149
Sandy McDuck: D 90081
Nora: D 90081
Malcolm McDuck: D 88322
Angus: D 7984
Jim Damon McDuck: S 71057
Sage McDuck: S 82025
Arpagone McDuck: S 71086
Miser McDuck: D 3313
Ian McDuck: D 2008-090
Jack McDuck: D 7146
Everett Glomgold: D 2006-230
Jeremias Mocksson: D 2001-168
Mam: D 2001-168
Nehemia Duckfield: D 2001-168
Hermine: D 92064
Beth: D 2007-336
Gertrude: D 2006-233
Ben D 2010-072
Gilbert: S 63069
Kittie: D 2980
Wilhelmina: D 88113
Douglas: D 7296
Angus Duck: D 4947
Marthe: D/SAN 2013-003
Tryntsje: D 94238
Count Duckcyzk of Glomsk: D 2004-280
Jellat de'Scalognati: S 70266
Casey Duck: D 2015-138
Bhaltair McDuck: D 2018-103
'Commander' McDuck: S 71057
Agathe: D 8082
Argyle: D 2001-126
Begonia: D 9408
Aldebert: S 65042
Amleto: I TL 691-A
Graybeak: S 74198
Klazien: H 21178
Bertus Trouwhart: H 21178
Paperin Kid: I EZP9605-1
Beauregard Duck: D 2015-138
Jock: D 10014
Gummo McDuck: S 86182
Gregor McDuck: D 4779
Paperonzo: S 85236
Duckker: S 76120
Donaldo: S 80144
Andtonius Duck: D RYDAHL 1
Bridger Duck: D 2015-138
Ebenezer McDuck: S 68064
Angus McMallard: D 7156
Pamfilius McDuck: W CPGK 1-07
Paperin de Canard: D 2000-086
Florian de Canard: D 92071
Gertrude Ganzenlever: D 2018-153
Gohard Duck: D 2015-138
Macbeth McMallard: D 7156
Ebenezer McDuck: S 67019
Kerababor McDuck: D 5920
Ironleg Von Rockerduck: S 70215
Artù McMallard: D 7156
Blackbeak: S 70215
Hamish McDuck: D 2009-173
Unnamed: D 7236
Ebeneezer McDuck: D 2016-034
Kilgus Klever: D 7384
Unnamed: D 2007-077
Maura: D 2018-053
Ogilvy McDuck: D 2016-034

APPEARANCE/MENTION IN ORIGINAL COMIC UNVERIFIED:

Unnamed: S 71377
Unnamed: S 71377
Unnamed: S 71377
Unnamed: S 71377
Detlev: D 9970
Dorinda: D 97076
Landy: S 71377
Molly: S 71377
Flink Duck: S 63111
Gorbinian: D 8662
Berta: D 96172
Otmar: D 3776
Thusnelda: S 71019
Dietram: D 97167
Drübtraut: D 2000-121
Andreas: D 1187
Anna-Lina Duck: D 2548
Doris: D 6582
Theobald: D 3074
Thea: D 2689
Hieronima: D 95169
Elaine: D 94147
Adolphus Mortimer McDuck: D RYDAHL 13
Ottokar: D 4067
Dora: D 99218
Drunella: D 92348
Theobald: B 910212
Buck: I TL 313-A
Cornelius Duck: D 99207
Dragomir: D 90157
Vermund McWildduck: D 6190
Unnamed: I TL 1104-B
'Grandpappy' Duckfield: D 2001-168
Darius: D 96055
Mortimer: D 92251
Herbert: D 92293
Angus: D 7048
Unnamed: D 7048
Waldemar: S 77008
Salomon McDuck: D 6190
Guldbrand McDuck: D 6190
Unnamed: I TL 1696-B
Jean-Claude McDuck: Dossier in France: Picsou Magazine #496
Merlino McMallard: D 7156
Joakim McDuck: D 89036
Daniël Duck: D 9266
The Earl of Asketty: I TL 1104-B

NO SOURCE:
Tobias McDuck
Agathe






Any and all help is appreciated!
For verifying characters' names, even knowing what language is needed for the D and S stories would be a big help!

[mkr]

The tree on the website has been updated. Most suggestions made in recent posts have been included. However, a few things I did not change (yet), awaiting further discussing/confirmation, such as the position of McTavish, Bertus Trouwhart and his parents, and the position of Upsy.

Note: all changes mentioned in this post, together with the changes mentioned in this previous post, should give all changes compared to LP 's version of the family tree. Once LP has updated his tree, I can of course make some further updates to the website, in order to make the trees more in agreement with each other.  

The changes that have been made are:

Agaath from H 2016-032 was added as an aunt by marriage of AMJ.
Tyte from D 2007-299 was added as a husband of an unknown sister of Muckirana O’Drake.
The three Chinese cousins from HC DD2013-17S were added as the sons of HDL’s aunt Berta.
Tilly from D 2003-161 was added as the daughter of Tam McTeal.
The two ghost ancestor cousins of Scrooge from D 2020-079 were added as children of the Earl of Asketty.
Sheamus O’Duck from H 2022-202 was added as an uncle of Anatrone O’Drake.
Drusilla McSwan from D 5636 was added as the wife of Arnold Duck.
The descendants of Cornelius Coot from H 2011-362 were added.
Badluck Gander from YD 92-10-28 was added as a cousin of Gladstone.

Scrooge’s third cousin Jerônimo Nheka from B 72019 was added as a brother of the third wife of Diamond Dick. I made both of them children of a sister of Vermund McWildduck in order to simplify the tree a bit and remove some unknown characters.


Tobias Duck from D 98050 was put in as the father of Crockett Duck. The unnamed Duck from ZD 55-10-09 who was his father, was made Tobias’ brother. Tobias’ name and relationship to Donald are based on the Dutch translation. They still need to be verified in the original version.

Another ancestor from ZD 55-10-09 that was not yet on the tree (ye gossip) was added as another brother of Tobias Duck.

Gladstone’s ancestor from I TL 683-A was called Gastone.

The portrait of aunt Amalia from H 2019-564 was added by merging her with Donald’s great-aunt Amalia from H 2019-231 (who did not have a portrait).

Grandma’s sister from W DAD 56-03 was not on the tree due to an error. I put her back now.

Ocagliostro was made a brother of Duckpaper McPaperduck, instead of his son.

Scrooge’s fake ancestor Douglas McDuck from I TL 290-AP was removed. Scrooge’s cousin from the same story was renamed Mac Paperon.

Hannibal Duck from I TL 751-B was renamed Pap Paper. And he was moved to the American McDuck branch, becoming a son of Paper Trapper.

Annabel from I TL 820-A was renamed to Paperocchia.
Daphné and Felicie from H 26240 were renamed to Daphne and Diewertje.
Berthe from H 87120 was renamed Lena.
Ignatius de l’Ortolan from H 95043 was renamed Ignatius Verwoerd. Edgar de l’Ortolan was renamed Stoppel Verwoerd.

Skovmand from W DG 55-02 was removed from the tree, leaving an empty box in his position.

A picture of Victoria from H 20085 was added.

In addition, the tree branches with shared relatives were combined into a single branch, resulting in the following changes:

Dead-Eye Dick Duck was made a brother of Crockett Duck’s father.
Asa Duck is not married anymore to a sister of Crockett Duck’s wife (his wife is now unknown).
Paperonzo Coot was made a son of Asa Duck and renamed Paperonzo Duck, while keeping his wife, children and grandchildren attached. Except, Dorinda, who was removed from this branch and made a sister of Kildare Coot.
I connected another sister of Asa to become the wife of Paperon McPap.
Swashbuckle was moved (together with his descendents) to become the son of Gustavo Coot.
Featherbrain Duck was also moved, to become a brother of Swashbuckle. Leaving an unknown duck on his original position, so his descendents can remain where they were (for the moment, I did not move Upsy).

[LP]

I read Hillbilly Cousin recently, featuring Douglas Duck... This guy:



He's already on the tree, but he is placed as Donald's grand-uncle. Yet, the story identifies him as Donald's cousin. Other than Douglas's long beard, there's not really anything indicating that he would be two generations older than Donald. Douglas is not familiar with modern day technology, but this is due to him living in the countryside rather than him being old. So I would suggest changing his position on the tree.

Additionally, the Pig Mayor's cousin appears in the same story. This is not related to the ducks, but I though I would mention it anyways. Donald mistakes the pig-cousin for his own Cousin Douglas. The pig-man threatens that he will report Donald to the mayor, but nothing comes of it in the story.

[mkr]

Jan 7, 2023 17:44:29 GMT LP said:

I read Hillbilly Cousin recently, featuring Douglas Duck... This guy:



He's already on the tree, but he is placed as Donald's grand-uncle. Yet, the story identifies him as Donald's cousin. Other than Douglas's long beard, there's not really anything indicating that he would be two generations older than Donald. Douglas is not familiar with modern day technology, but this is due to him living in the countryside rather than him being old. So I would suggest changing his position on the tree.

How would you suggest to move him? Considering that we also have all those relatives of him that appear at the end of the story and that are currently in the tree his children/grandchildren and great-grandchildren? Does the (Swedish?) version you read say something more specific about those relatives?

[LP]

Jan 7, 2023 22:07:04 GMT mkr said:

How would you suggest to move him? Considering that we also have all those relatives of him that appear at the end of the story and that are currently in the tree his children/grandchildren and great-grandchildren? Does the (Swedish?) version you read say something more specific about those relatives?

My Swedish version unfortunately does not offer any more clarity in the matter. I would suggest something along the lines of having the Scrooge-lookalike (dressed in blue with sideburns and glasses) be Humperdink's brother, and have the old lady be his wife. Both of them look way older than Douglas, yet on the tree he is currently married to the old lady and the father of the Scrooge-lookalike. 
Next up, maybe the two other bearded men could be the sons of the Scrooge-lookalike and the old lady? Maybe Douglas could be the son of one of the bearded men? As for Douglas' mother, I'd say the woman in yellow looks like the most fitting candidate. The rest of the relatives are presumably Douglas' siblings, first cousins and nephews.

[mkr]

The family tree on the website has been updated. The following changes have been made:

I added Gyro and his relatives, by making Gyro’s maternal grandmother a sister of Gretchen Grebe. I took all relatives that were currently on LP’s Gearloose tree, with the addition of uncle Nelis from S 65180 (as a brother of Gyro’s mother).

Since the Gyro family tree is one generation longer than the main tree (11 instead of 10), I added one additional generation to the current tree, so the length becomes the same, which resulted in the inclusion of the following relatives:

- Donaldus and his wife from D/D 2006-002, as the parents of The Red Duck.
- Johannes De Duck from D 2000-043, as the father of the unnamed Dutch ancestor.
- Angus McDuck from D 96322, as the father of Duncan McDuck.
- Danblane McDuck from I TL 174-AP and I PM 224-1, as the brother of Angus McDuck.
- The French ancestors from I TL 2868-4 (de Paperonier, Paolin le Paperac and Paperoghier) were added to become direct ancestors of Florian en Paperin de Canard, see below)
- Donald’s ancestor on a ship from ZD 55-10-09, was added as the father of McTavish.

McTavish Duck was moved. He is not Donald’s direct ancestor anymore, but a brother of Donald’s (unknown) direct ancestor.

Miranda Duck was merged with Hortênsia, creating the character Hortênsia Miranda Duck as the wife of Donaldo. Her father Pataco thus got the surname Duck and Dead-Eye Dick Duck was made Pataco’s father. Elvira’s great-great-great-grandmother from D 2290 was added as the mother of Pataco (she is then also the sister of Marthe’s direct ancestor). Dead-Eye Dick Duck is still a brother of Tobias. While Asa Duck, and his sister (the one married to Paperon McPap), were made children of a brother of Tobias (the ancestor with the sabre from ZD 55-10-09).

Some placeholders that are not confirmed to be related were removed, namely Gladstone’s grandfather (Gladstone Gander of Basketville) and also Crabstone Gander.

Drübtraut from D 2000-121 was removed.

Douglas Duck and the other relatives from D 7296 were rearranged.

Donald’s aunt Muffalia from H 26053 was added as the wife of an unnamed Duck from W DD 91-01 (in between Dingeman and Andreas).

Jacobus Duck from H 21108 was added as the brother of Donald’s great-grandfather Daniel Donald Duck.

Miguel Paperon from I TL 1311-B was added, by being married to aunt Audree.

Hagis from I TL 3284-4 was made a brother of Molly Mallard. The other two ghosts, were made brothers of Marmaduke Mallard.

Gumboot is now the father of Upsy and Moby. Jo is now a son of Arnold Duck.

Jeu de Boules from H 2015-035 was added. I thought it makes most sense for him being related to the other French ancestors from the same period (Paperin de Canard and Florian de Canard). So, I made Jeu a cousin of them, with one of their shared grandparents being a sibling of Diamond Lil, and them all becoming descendants of Paolin le Paperac. So, Florian does not have to be married anymore to a McDuck.

I added the Mexican ancestors of Donald and Daisy from I TL 2020-1P. For this, I made Paperita and Paperigo Paulin the great-grandparents of Daisy’s maternal grandmother. With the other relatives from the story attached: Paperigo’s nephews Quy, Quo and Qua, his uncle Alejandro Paperòn y Paperones, and his cousin Gaston de la Suerte y Fortuña.

The Spanish Caribean ancestors from I TL 2921-3, were added to the branch above, making Paperin Black and Paperinetta the grandparents of Alejandro. Paperoñes is then the uncle of Paperinetta. In order to make them (and the ones from the story above) also related to Donald in some way, I attached Paperin Black to the American MacDuck branch. This is the best way I could come up with, without creating too much chaos on the tree.

For Papernova from I TL 2074-4, I thought it would make most sense to make him a son of Paperina and Papernicola, since that attaches him to the other Venetian ducks, and makes him related to HDL. However, he also needs to be an ancestor of Ludwig, which is not really the case now. I don’t know yet how to best achieve that.

I kept Bran and Buck from D 6572 and the McMallards from D 7156 on the tree. So, I am assuming that the American publications changed the original story by removing the family connections, while that the other translations with the family connections are more true to the original.

[alquackskey]

Jan 9, 2023 16:18:53 GMT mkr said:

The family tree on the website has been updated. The following changes have been made:

I added Gyro and his relatives, by making Gyro’s maternal grandmother a sister of Gretchen Grebe. I took all relatives that were currently on LP’s Gearloose tree, with the addition of uncle Nelis from S 65180 (as a brother of Gyro’s mother).

Since the Gyro family tree is one generation longer than the main tree (11 instead of 10), I added one additional generation to the current tree, so the length becomes the same, which resulted in the inclusion of the following relatives:

- Donaldus and his wife from D/D 2006-002, as the parents of The Red Duck.
- Johannes De Duck from D 2000-043, as the father of the unnamed Dutch ancestor.
- Angus McDuck from D 96322, as the father of Duncan McDuck.
- Danblane McDuck from I TL 174-AP and I PM 224-1, as the brother of Angus McDuck.
- The French ancestors from I TL 2868-4 (de Paperonier, Paolin le Paperac and Paperoghier) were added to become direct ancestors of Florian en Paperin de Canard, see below)
- Donald’s ancestor on a ship from ZD 55-10-09, was added as the father of McTavish.

McTavish Duck was moved. He is not Donald’s direct ancestor anymore, but a brother of Donald’s (unknown) direct ancestor.

Miranda Duck was merged with Hortênsia, creating the character Hortênsia Miranda Duck as the wife of Donaldo. Her father Pataco thus got the surname Duck and Dead-Eye Dick Duck was made Pataco’s father. Elvira’s great-great-great-grandmother from D 2290 was added as the mother of Pataco (she is then also the sister of Marthe’s direct ancestor). Dead-Eye Dick Duck is still a brother of Tobias. While Asa Duck, and his sister (the one married to Paperon McPap), were made children of a brother of Tobias (the ancestor with the sabre from ZD 55-10-09).

Some placeholders that are not confirmed to be related were removed, namely Gladstone’s grandfather (Gladstone Gander of Basketville) and also Crabstone Gander.

Drübtraut from D 2000-121 was removed.

Douglas Duck and the other relatives from D 7296 were rearranged.

Donald’s aunt Muffalia from H 26053 was added as the wife of an unnamed Duck from W DD 91-01 (in between Dingeman and Andreas).

Jacobus Duck from H 21108 was added as the brother of Donald’s great-grandfather Daniel Donald Duck.

Miguel Paperon from I TL 1311-B was added, by being married to aunt Audree.

Hagis from I TL 3284-4 was made a brother of Molly Mallard. The other two ghosts, were made brothers of Marmaduke Mallard.

Gumboot is now the father of Upsy and Moby. Jo is now a son of Arnold Duck.

Jeu de Boules from H 2015-035 was added. I thought it makes most sense for him being related to the other French ancestors from the same period (Paperin de Canard and Florian de Canard). So, I made Jeu a cousin of them, with one of their shared grandparents being a sibling of Diamond Lil, and them all becoming descendants of Paolin le Paperac. So, Florian does not have to be married anymore to a McDuck.

I added the Mexican ancestors of Donald and Daisy from I TL 2020-1P. For this, I made Paperita and Paperigo Paulin the great-grandparents of Daisy’s maternal grandmother. With the other relatives from the story attached: Paperigo’s nephews Quy, Quo and Qua, his uncle Alejandro Paperòn y Paperones, and his cousin Gaston de la Suerte y Fortuña.

The Spanish Caribean ancestors from I TL 2921-3, were added to the branch above, making Paperin Black and Paperinetta the grandparents of Alejandro. Paperoñes is then the uncle of Paperinetta. In order to make them (and the ones from the story above) also related to Donald in some way, I attached Paperin Black to the American MacDuck branch. This is the best way I could come up with, without creating too much chaos on the tree.

For Papernova from I TL 2074-4, I thought it would make most sense to make him a son of Paperina and Papernicola, since that attaches him to the other Venetian ducks, and makes him related to HDL. However, he also needs to be an ancestor of Ludwig, which is not really the case now. I don’t know yet how to best achieve that.

I kept Bran and Buck from D 6572 and the McMallards from D 7156 on the tree. So, I am assuming that the American publications changed the original story by removing the family connections, while that the other translations with the family connections are more true to the original.

Excellent work, as always! I'll get the spreadsheet sorted soon - hopefully much sooner than last time - but I just needed to make one comment:

This tree has become an absolutely insane nightmare and I am HERE for it 

[alquackskey]

Jan 12, 2023 3:04:11 GMT stuftmcduck said:

Since all we have is "probably from the same story" and "related to Daisy," where I'd start looking is stories where Daisy meets cousins, goes to family reunions, etc.

I've looked at a few stories, but found nothing - I might just be using the wrong search terms, but it doesn't seem like many stories actively fit the criteria in question.

My biggest worries are that either:
1. The characters show up in a single panel, like the abundance of relatives in the story with Cousin Douglas. As such, the actual plot of the story won't be relevant, and it's just a matter of finding stories about Daisy - and, even then, it doesn't even necessarily have to be about Daisy; for all we know, she could just have one or two panels where she appears with them in a separate story.
2. There's no actual reason to assume they're relatives. As has been noted before, there are mistakes in the tree, like Daisy's parents being listed twice under multiple names. It's entirely possible there are no actual references to them being relatives in the story, and assumptions were just made by the original poster.

The biggest problem is that we have nowhere to start; no story, artist, context etc...
I've also tried reverse image searching, but that yielded no results.

Jan 12, 2023 9:27:47 GMT mkr said:

Jan 11, 2023 8:20:47 GMT mkr said:

I did not remove the McMallards (and similarly for Bran and Buck from D 6572) because the American publications seem the only one in which they are not said to be related. Other versions/translations that have been shown consider them all related. Letting us to the assumption that the American publisher changed these stories and that they are meant to be related in the original (as well as the earlier published) versions.

For the Drübtraut story (D 2000-121) it is a little different in the sense that this relative is not mentioned in the American version, but also not in the Dutch translation of the story, so there are two different versions from two different publishers in which there is no relative. This makes it more likely that there was no Drübtraut in the original and that there is maybe one translation that introduces a Drübtraut for some reason (or that the reference is wrong). Yes, it is still possible that both the American and the Dutch publisher decided to remove Drübtraut from the story, but so far, we have actually not found any version of D 2000-121 in which Drübtraut or any other relative is mentioned at all. 

I found aunt Drübtraut. She is indeed mentioned by Donald in the German translation (third panel on the first page). See here (with a comparison to the American and Dutch versions). I still think this is a Seppi Deppi case, where Drübtraut was put in by the translator. For so far I can read the French version on INDUCKS, it seems there is also no mention of an aunt there.

Ahh, excellent! Yes, that's perfect - she's marked in the Translations page, but now I can do so officially!

[stuftmcduck]

Jan 12, 2023 10:48:52 GMT alquackskey said:

Jan 12, 2023 3:04:11 GMT stuftmcduck said:

Since all we have is "probably from the same story" and "related to Daisy," where I'd start looking is stories where Daisy meets cousins, goes to family reunions, etc.

I've looked at a few stories, but found nothing - I might just be using the wrong search terms, but it doesn't seem like many stories actively fit the criteria in question.

My biggest worries are that either:
1. The characters show up in a single panel, like the abundance of relatives in the story with Cousin Douglas. As such, the actual plot of the story won't be relevant, and it's just a matter of finding stories about Daisy - and, even then, it doesn't even necessarily have to be about Daisy; for all we know, she could just have one or two panels where she appears with them in a separate story.
2. There's no actual reason to assume they're relatives. As has been noted before, there are mistakes in the tree, like Daisy's parents being listed twice under multiple names. It's entirely possible there are no actual references to them being relatives in the story, and assumptions were just made by the original poster.

The biggest problem is that we have nowhere to start; no story, artist, context etc...
I've also tried reverse image searching, but that yielded no results.

Hmm. Might be worth temporarily pulling them until when and if we find their appearance? Since we only have one unreliable source to go on.

[Scroogerello]

Good call on that old Dutch forum!
Here’s a few suggestions to the tree if I may.

- Scrooge’s grandfather, kapitein Zeebaars (captain Sea-Bass) from H2022-002 is not in the explanatory table and I don’t think he is on the tree yet, either. I posted some images of him here: imgur.io/a/bD5a3id .

-Also, we see the family of Silas McDuck in the DuckTales episode he appears in, and they are not on the tree yet, afaik. There’s a lot of empty spaces for Silas’s kids and grandkids, maybe some of these could be used to fill that?
static.wikia.nocookie.net/scroogemcduck/images/b/b8/Silas_McDuck_Family.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190613111825

-as for the ‘Duck-branch’ that Scrooge and Grandma share, I think it would be much simpler if you made Paperonzo a brother of Hortensia. That way, the characters are related a lot more closely (it would make Amanda and Zenone second cousins to Elvira, rather than fourth cousins, as they are on the tree right now.). Asa Duck could simply be an uncle of Hortensia, which is also better in line with the story he appears in (where he is said to be a great great uncle).
And on the topic of that duck branch; I think Theobald McDuck (the ranch owner from that Vicar story) also belongs there (maybe as a brother of Douglas); after all, in the story he appears in he is a cousin to both Ludwig and Scrooge.

-Daisy’s aunt Cactée, uncle Sullus and second cousins Kwil, Kwel and Kwal from that old Daisy family tree, are from this story: inducks.org/story.php?c=HC+DD1991-33T . It is made up of screenshots from “Donald’s Diary”, so they would probably count as characters ‘made up in translation’.