Post by LP on Jun 7, 2022 13:17:06 GMT
Scrooge’s great-grandfathers
In Zio Paperone e il tunnel sotto la manica, there is mention of one of Scrooge’s ancestors called “The Mysterious Scotsman”. In this thread, this Mysterious Scotsman-ancestor has been known as “Joshua”, and I found him referred to as “McRapan” here: www.donaldisme.dk/ancestors.htm. In the Swedish translation of the story, he is called “Ronald McAber” (a pun on “macabre”, which is the same word in Swedish).
In addition, John D. Rockerduck claims that the Mysterious Scotsman is his ancestor and that he is namned “Abel McAroni” (let’s see if you can decipher that pun without my help). We’re later told that Rockerduck faked evidence and that the Scotsman is in fact Ronald McAber. I’m not sure if Rockerduck made up Abel McAroni’s whole existence, or only the fact that he is the Scotsman. Therefore, I’m not sure whether to include Abel McAroni as one of Rockerduck’s ancestors or not.
Anyways, reading this story made me come to two new conclusions: I didn’t realize before that Joshua and McRapan were the same characters, but them being the same means that there aren’t as many characters fighting over the “Scrooge’s great-grandfather”-spots. Also, I wasn’t sure whether McRapan was the character’s first or last name before, but knowing that his Swedish surname was translated to McAber (rather than “von Anka”, which is the Swedish equivalent of McDuck), it seems like McRapan is the character’s Danish surname (as opposed to “von And”).
If Joshua/Ronald McAber/McRapan is not a McDuck, he would have to be either Molly Mallard’s father or one of Downy’s grandfathers. However, since Downy’s surname is Irish and Joshua is said to have been a Mysterious Scotsman, Molly Mallard’s father seems like the best fit.
So if Joshua is not great-grandpa McDuck, then who is? First off, there is Grandpa “Wasteful” McDuck from Zio Paperone e l'oro di California. This story has not been published in Swedish, but I have seen Italian scans online which I’ve used Google Translate to comprehend. If I understand correctly, “Wasteful’s” true first name is never revealed in the story. However, the story follows Wasteful McDuck as he travels from Scotland to California in 1848 when he learns of the Gold Rush.
Another contender for the great-grandpa McDuck-position is Don Pepe Pampero Pamperòn, also known as “the Wizard”, appearing in Paperino e i chiodi di mago Pampero. I picked up a Swedish translation of the story, where Don Pepe is only referred to as Scrooge’s ancestor. We’re shown that Don Pepe was already an old man in 1848 during the California Gold Rush. I came to the conclusion that “Wasteful” and Don Pepe may be the same character, with Paperino e i chiodi di mago Pampero acting as an unintended sequel.
If we assume that “Wasteful”/Don Pepe is roughly 80 years old in 1848 (since he looks identical to present-day Scrooge), he would have been born around 1770. This fits perfectly with my Family Tree-timeline, as he would be circa 30 years older than Titus “Dingus” McDuck, whose date of birth I estimate to around 1800. This is further based on Fergus’ birth date at 1835 and Scrooge’s at 1867. Worth mentioning is that, if I understand correctly, both “Wasteful” and Don Pepe are said to be Scrooge’s grandfather, not great-grandfather. However, as I showed earlier, the math works better if it is Scrooge’s great-grandfather who is an old man in 1848, rather than the grandfather.
I’m not sure if Don Pepe’s original surname “Pamperòn” is the Italian version of “McDuck”, but in the Swedish translation Don Pepe’s surname is translated to both “Anka” (Duck) and “von Anka” (McDuck) at different points in the narrative.
On Gilles Maurice’s family tree, Don Pepe is known as “Arsene McDuck”. Does anyone know where that name comes from?
Then there is Old Potluck's Payoff, which also features a great-grandfather of Scrooge’s. This one is only referred to as “Potluck” (which is presumably a nickname). He owned a mine in what is now a ghost town and also hid a treasure there. Potluck is translated as “Tur-Knutte” in the Swedish version.
Scrooge has inherited a mine from a relative in The Great Golden Pumpkin Nugget. According to the Danish site www.donaldisme.dk/ancestors.htm, this relative is named Pamfilius McDuck. I’m not sure if this is the Danish name, but the story has never been published in English. However, in the Swedish version this relative is referred to as “Tur-Knutte”, just like Potluck was.
Finally, in Indian Takeover, we’re told that Scrooge’s ancestor Ebenezer McDuck bought land in Duckburg from Native Americans. That land is where Scrooge’s house stands in the present day. According to the previously mentioned Danish site www.donaldisme.dk/ancestors.htm, Ebenezer is Scrooge’s grandfather. I haven only read the Swedish version and there he is Scrooge’s great-grandfather.
I think him being Scrooge’s great-grandfather fits better with what we know of him from the other stories. Scrooge’s grandfather always seems to be poor and stayed in Scotland, whereas his great-grandfather seems to have found financial success after moving to California.
In conclusion, I suggest that all five of these characters are one and the same. In that case, he had three nicknames for different points in his life: “Wasteful”, “the Wizard”, and “Potluck”. I’ll label this character “Ebenezer McDuck”, as it is the most English-sounding alternative.
In Zio Paperone e il tunnel sotto la manica, there is mention of one of Scrooge’s ancestors called “The Mysterious Scotsman”. In this thread, this Mysterious Scotsman-ancestor has been known as “Joshua”, and I found him referred to as “McRapan” here: www.donaldisme.dk/ancestors.htm. In the Swedish translation of the story, he is called “Ronald McAber” (a pun on “macabre”, which is the same word in Swedish).
In addition, John D. Rockerduck claims that the Mysterious Scotsman is his ancestor and that he is namned “Abel McAroni” (let’s see if you can decipher that pun without my help). We’re later told that Rockerduck faked evidence and that the Scotsman is in fact Ronald McAber. I’m not sure if Rockerduck made up Abel McAroni’s whole existence, or only the fact that he is the Scotsman. Therefore, I’m not sure whether to include Abel McAroni as one of Rockerduck’s ancestors or not.
Anyways, reading this story made me come to two new conclusions: I didn’t realize before that Joshua and McRapan were the same characters, but them being the same means that there aren’t as many characters fighting over the “Scrooge’s great-grandfather”-spots. Also, I wasn’t sure whether McRapan was the character’s first or last name before, but knowing that his Swedish surname was translated to McAber (rather than “von Anka”, which is the Swedish equivalent of McDuck), it seems like McRapan is the character’s Danish surname (as opposed to “von And”).
If Joshua/Ronald McAber/McRapan is not a McDuck, he would have to be either Molly Mallard’s father or one of Downy’s grandfathers. However, since Downy’s surname is Irish and Joshua is said to have been a Mysterious Scotsman, Molly Mallard’s father seems like the best fit.
So if Joshua is not great-grandpa McDuck, then who is? First off, there is Grandpa “Wasteful” McDuck from Zio Paperone e l'oro di California. This story has not been published in Swedish, but I have seen Italian scans online which I’ve used Google Translate to comprehend. If I understand correctly, “Wasteful’s” true first name is never revealed in the story. However, the story follows Wasteful McDuck as he travels from Scotland to California in 1848 when he learns of the Gold Rush.
Another contender for the great-grandpa McDuck-position is Don Pepe Pampero Pamperòn, also known as “the Wizard”, appearing in Paperino e i chiodi di mago Pampero. I picked up a Swedish translation of the story, where Don Pepe is only referred to as Scrooge’s ancestor. We’re shown that Don Pepe was already an old man in 1848 during the California Gold Rush. I came to the conclusion that “Wasteful” and Don Pepe may be the same character, with Paperino e i chiodi di mago Pampero acting as an unintended sequel.
If we assume that “Wasteful”/Don Pepe is roughly 80 years old in 1848 (since he looks identical to present-day Scrooge), he would have been born around 1770. This fits perfectly with my Family Tree-timeline, as he would be circa 30 years older than Titus “Dingus” McDuck, whose date of birth I estimate to around 1800. This is further based on Fergus’ birth date at 1835 and Scrooge’s at 1867. Worth mentioning is that, if I understand correctly, both “Wasteful” and Don Pepe are said to be Scrooge’s grandfather, not great-grandfather. However, as I showed earlier, the math works better if it is Scrooge’s great-grandfather who is an old man in 1848, rather than the grandfather.
I’m not sure if Don Pepe’s original surname “Pamperòn” is the Italian version of “McDuck”, but in the Swedish translation Don Pepe’s surname is translated to both “Anka” (Duck) and “von Anka” (McDuck) at different points in the narrative.
On Gilles Maurice’s family tree, Don Pepe is known as “Arsene McDuck”. Does anyone know where that name comes from?
Then there is Old Potluck's Payoff, which also features a great-grandfather of Scrooge’s. This one is only referred to as “Potluck” (which is presumably a nickname). He owned a mine in what is now a ghost town and also hid a treasure there. Potluck is translated as “Tur-Knutte” in the Swedish version.
Scrooge has inherited a mine from a relative in The Great Golden Pumpkin Nugget. According to the Danish site www.donaldisme.dk/ancestors.htm, this relative is named Pamfilius McDuck. I’m not sure if this is the Danish name, but the story has never been published in English. However, in the Swedish version this relative is referred to as “Tur-Knutte”, just like Potluck was.
Finally, in Indian Takeover, we’re told that Scrooge’s ancestor Ebenezer McDuck bought land in Duckburg from Native Americans. That land is where Scrooge’s house stands in the present day. According to the previously mentioned Danish site www.donaldisme.dk/ancestors.htm, Ebenezer is Scrooge’s grandfather. I haven only read the Swedish version and there he is Scrooge’s great-grandfather.
I think him being Scrooge’s great-grandfather fits better with what we know of him from the other stories. Scrooge’s grandfather always seems to be poor and stayed in Scotland, whereas his great-grandfather seems to have found financial success after moving to California.
In conclusion, I suggest that all five of these characters are one and the same. In that case, he had three nicknames for different points in his life: “Wasteful”, “the Wizard”, and “Potluck”. I’ll label this character “Ebenezer McDuck”, as it is the most English-sounding alternative.