The "ultimate" Duck family tree

[LP]

Apr 22, 2021 21:22:13 GMT sim said:

Ocagliostro is presented as Ocagliostro XI in the story, meaning he is the son of Ocagliostro X, who is the son of Ocagliostro IV and so on, until Ocagliostro I; by the way, Scrooge and Rockerduck are said to be his fourth cousins.

About Gilles' missing list, I have already written some of his relatives here in the thread, to quote his first lines:

I TL 313-A - DD's uncle, Buck Paperin
I TL 366-B - US'aunt, Ethelbertha Pap Paper
I TL 582-A - DD's grandfather, Pietrino Paperino; Pietrino's cousin, Tom Paper; Tom's heir, aka GD's distant cousin, Pieretto Paperetto
I TL 691-A - GD's uncle, Amleto
I TL 934-B - DD's aunt, Paperalfonsina

ps. I'm loving the result so far with all the pictures
pps. I would rather not use that image for HDL's father, because it was a portrait of a fan, namely Jamie Hawkins

I don't think it's necessary that Ocagliostro X is the father of XI. X could be many generations back. Just look at British royalty, for example. The current British queen is Elizabeth II, but the first one lived 1533-1603. And they already are fourth cousins in my tree.

Buck, Pietrino, Tom, and Pieretto are already on the tree. I'll add the rest in the near-future!

I agree about the tree looking better with images! It's really coming together! Once again, thanks to you all for the help!

The way I understood Rosa's second tree was that he made a few of them with the image of HDL's father in every print. That's what HDL's father really looks like in Don Rosa's own world. However, the father's name was left blank. The named was filled in with the buyer of the tree-print's name at the time and place of purchase.
I agree that the name Jamie Hawkins isn't "Rosa-canon", since that just happened to be the name of the tree-owner who uploaded a scan of the tree. This is why I left the name blank but kept the image. This is the backstory I've read about this tree.
Or do you mean that only one such second tree was made and that it was made specifically for this Jamie Hawkins-fan? And that the father was modeled specifically on him? There's a more "sketchy" version of Rosa's HDL-father floating around that has the same basic design, meaning that this is likely what Rosa considers to be the "true" design of the father.
This is the "sketchy" one:


Hopefully all that was coherent enough to make sense!

[sim]

Apr 23, 2021 14:02:48 GMT LP said:

Apr 22, 2021 21:22:13 GMT sim said:

Ocagliostro is presented as Ocagliostro XI in the story, meaning he is the son of Ocagliostro X, who is the son of Ocagliostro IV and so on, until Ocagliostro I; by the way, Scrooge and Rockerduck are said to be his fourth cousins.

About Gilles' missing list, I have already written some of his relatives here in the thread, to quote his first lines:

I TL 313-A - DD's uncle, Buck Paperin
I TL 366-B - US'aunt, Ethelbertha Pap Paper
I TL 582-A - DD's grandfather, Pietrino Paperino; Pietrino's cousin, Tom Paper; Tom's heir, aka GD's distant cousin, Pieretto Paperetto
I TL 691-A - GD's uncle, Amleto
I TL 934-B - DD's aunt, Paperalfonsina

ps. I'm loving the result so far with all the pictures
pps. I would rather not use that image for HDL's father, because it was a portrait of a fan, namely Jamie Hawkins

I don't think it's necessary that Ocagliostro X is the father of XI. X could be many generations back. Just look at British royalty, for example. The current British queen is Elizabeth II, but the first one lived 1533-1603. And they already are fourth cousins in my tree.

Buck, Pietrino, Tom, and Pieretto are already on the tree. I'll add the rest in the near-future!

I agree about the tree looking better with images! It's really coming together! Once again, thanks to you all for the help!

The way I understood Rosa's second tree was that he made a few of them with the image of HDL's father in every print. That's what HDL's father really looks like in Don Rosa's own world. However, the father's name was left blank. The named was filled in with the buyer of the tree-print's name at the time and place of purchase.
I agree that the name Jamie Hawkins isn't "Rosa-canon", since that just happened to be the name of the tree-owner who uploaded a scan of the tree. This is why I left the name blank but kept the image. This is the backstory I've read about this tree.
Or do you mean that only one such second tree was made and that it was made specifically for this Jamie Hawkins-fan? And that the father was modeled specifically on him? There's a more "sketchy" version of Rosa's HDL-father floating around that has the same basic design, meaning that this is likely what Rosa considers to be the "true" design of the father.
This is the "sketchy" one:


Hopefully all that was coherent enough to make sense!

Didn't know about this sketch, I've always thought that the father in that tree was just Jamie as a duck.

I have taken a look at Edipo story: his full name is Edipo Papero (should be Duck) and he is a relative of Scrooge who fakes his own death to see if Scrooge would be a worthy heir. The relationship isn't given, but since he is Scrooge-only related I guess he could be retconned into being a McDuck or a Mallard (I'd prefer this, since his surname is not the same as Scrooge), he looks younger than US (having long blonde hair), but I deem they could be put in the same generation.

Is there a story that explicitly states Dimwitty is Moby's nephew? And Fethry? I don't even know if they have ever appeared together, I mean INDUCKS lists some Italian stories, but that is just a FE's lookalike. And is there any clue suggesting Dimwitty Jr. is Dimwitty's son besides his name? I read the JW story, but I don't remember it was mentioned.

I also thought a bit more on Paperotto de' Paperotti and Bruce and I don't think they are related. Not only the surname is slightly different (I mean that could be ignored), but Paperotto is said to be away for a lot of time: he and Scrooge may have grown up together in Scotland and then he left to Australia, but Bruce wasn't born in Australia. In fact, Scrooge says in the story that Bruce left for Australia time ago (meaning he once lived in America or anywhere else).

Ps. I agree with you about how successions work in the Royal families (or even with Popes), but the Ocagliostro alchemist (I mean the first one of the dinasty) is based on a real life person living in 1700, so I wouldn't go too back in time.

[stuftmcduck]

Well would you look at that! Comixology has an English translation of the story with the Gone With the Wind knockoff ancestors!

[sim]

Apr 23, 2021 15:41:55 GMT sim said:

Apr 23, 2021 14:02:48 GMT LP said:

I don't think it's necessary that Ocagliostro X is the father of XI. X could be many generations back. Just look at British royalty, for example. The current British queen is Elizabeth II, but the first one lived 1533-1603. And they already are fourth cousins in my tree.

Buck, Pietrino, Tom, and Pieretto are already on the tree. I'll add the rest in the near-future!

I agree about the tree looking better with images! It's really coming together! Once again, thanks to you all for the help!

The way I understood Rosa's second tree was that he made a few of them with the image of HDL's father in every print. That's what HDL's father really looks like in Don Rosa's own world. However, the father's name was left blank. The named was filled in with the buyer of the tree-print's name at the time and place of purchase.
I agree that the name Jamie Hawkins isn't "Rosa-canon", since that just happened to be the name of the tree-owner who uploaded a scan of the tree. This is why I left the name blank but kept the image. This is the backstory I've read about this tree.
Or do you mean that only one such second tree was made and that it was made specifically for this Jamie Hawkins-fan? And that the father was modeled specifically on him? There's a more "sketchy" version of Rosa's HDL-father floating around that has the same basic design, meaning that this is likely what Rosa considers to be the "true" design of the father.
This is the "sketchy" one:


Hopefully all that was coherent enough to make sense!

Didn't know about this sketch, I've always thought that the father in that tree was just Jamie as a duck.

I have taken a look at Edipo story: his full name is Edipo Papero (should be Duck) and he is a relative of Scrooge who fakes his own death to see if Scrooge would be a worthy heir. The relationship isn't given, but since he is Scrooge-only related I guess he could be retconned into being a McDuck or a Mallard (I'd prefer this, since his surname is not the same as Scrooge), he looks younger than US (having long blonde hair), but I deem they could be put in the same generation.

Is there a story that explicitly states Dimwitty is Moby's nephew? And Fethry? I don't even know if they have ever appeared together, I mean INDUCKS lists some Italian stories, but that is just a FE's lookalike. And is there any clue suggesting Dimwitty Jr. is Dimwitty's son besides his name? I read the JW story, but I don't remember it was mentioned.

I also thought a bit more on Paperotto de' Paperotti and Bruce and I don't think they are related. Not only the surname is slightly different (I mean that could be ignored), but Paperotto is said to be away for a lot of time: he and Scrooge may have grown up together in Scotland and then he left to Australia, but Bruce wasn't born in Australia. In fact, Scrooge says in the story that Bruce left for Australia time ago (meaning he once lived in America or anywhere else).

Ps. I agree with you about how successions work in the Royal families (or even with Popes), but the Ocagliostro alchemist (I mean the first one of the dinasty) is based on a real life person living in 1700, so I wouldn't go too back in time.

also Pampero being Scrooge's great-grandfather seems too stretched to me since he is active in 1849 (he might be 60/70 at that time)

[LP]

Apr 23, 2021 20:46:23 GMT sim said:

Apr 23, 2021 15:41:55 GMT sim said:

Didn't know about this sketch, I've always thought that the father in that tree was just Jamie as a duck.

I have taken a look at Edipo story: his full name is Edipo Papero (should be Duck) and he is a relative of Scrooge who fakes his own death to see if Scrooge would be a worthy heir. The relationship isn't given, but since he is Scrooge-only related I guess he could be retconned into being a McDuck or a Mallard (I'd prefer this, since his surname is not the same as Scrooge), he looks younger than US (having long blonde hair), but I deem they could be put in the same generation.

Is there a story that explicitly states Dimwitty is Moby's nephew? And Fethry? I don't even know if they have ever appeared together, I mean INDUCKS lists some Italian stories, but that is just a FE's lookalike. And is there any clue suggesting Dimwitty Jr. is Dimwitty's son besides his name? I read the JW story, but I don't remember it was mentioned.

I also thought a bit more on Paperotto de' Paperotti and Bruce and I don't think they are related. Not only the surname is slightly different (I mean that could be ignored), but Paperotto is said to be away for a lot of time: he and Scrooge may have grown up together in Scotland and then he left to Australia, but Bruce wasn't born in Australia. In fact, Scrooge says in the story that Bruce left for Australia time ago (meaning he once lived in America or anywhere else).

Ps. I agree with you about how successions work in the Royal families (or even with Popes), but the Ocagliostro alchemist (I mean the first one of the dinasty) is based on a real life person living in 1700, so I wouldn't go too back in time.

also Pampero being Scrooge's great-grandfather seems too stretched to me since he is active in 1849 (he might be 60/70 at that time)

It seems like Edipo could fit somewhere on the Mazuma Duck-branch! It's specifically for blood-relatives of Scrooge named Duck! Maybe he could even be one of Mazuma's brothers, considering what I mentioned before with Scrooge older than most in his generation? Maybe he could be Tom, Drake, and Harry's father?

I was wondering about Dim-Witty myself just the other day. I haven't seen any evidence for his genealogical connection to the Ducks. 
Fethry hasn't been confirmed as Moby's nephew. However, both of them belong somewhere on that Duck-branch on the tree. There's this series where Fethry works as Moby's crewman on his boat. I haven't read it so I don't know if any relation is mentioned there. But I like to think that it's an echo of Donald and Scrooge's nephew-uncle-relationship. It's like poetry, so that it rhymes. However, if any evidence against this pops up, be sure to let me know!
When I added Dim-Witty Jr. to the tree the other week I thought of this too. There's isn't any confirmation as far as I know. Yet, if they aren't related, there would have to exist another person named Dim-Witty Sr. in the Duck universe, which I find... unlikely. But, stranger things have happened, and this is a fictional universe. Anyways, if Dim-Witty doesn't belong on the tree, then Jr. doesn't either anyways.

Bruce and Paperotto not being related is annoying - I really liked that solution! But I'll look into alternatives for the next update.

About Ocagliostro - I haven't done the calculations, but I would guess that no matter how you slice it, it would be hard to fit 10 generations in between 1700 and the 1950s/"the present". Still, worst case scenario, Ocagliostro X could easily be added as a brother to Eider and Duckpaper.

I don't understand what you mean by Pampero being Scrooge's great-grandfather seeming "stretched". Do you mean that he should only be Scrooge's grandfather? 

[LP]

Apr 23, 2021 17:01:56 GMT stuftmcduck said:

Well would you look at that! Comixology has an English translation of the story with the Gone With the Wind knockoff ancestors!

For some reason the site doesn't work for me. Would it be possible for you to take screen-grabs of the remaining faceless characters and send them to me somehow?

[farmspirit]

Apr 24, 2021 16:10:47 GMT LP said:

Apr 23, 2021 17:01:56 GMT stuftmcduck said:

Well would you look at that! Comixology has an English translation of the story with the Gone With the Wind knockoff ancestors!

For some reason the site doesn't work for me. Would it be possible for you to take screen-grabs of the remaining faceless characters and send them to me somehow?

I've added here some scans that I've made of the italian version. Still an ufficial english translation would be useful to insert in the tree the ufficial english names.

I just want to mention some differences that I've found between your tree and the story. The main one is that in the story Paper Butler isn't an ancestor of Daisy, but of Donald and HDL. They find an album about "their grandparents" during the Civil War, but I think that they're referring more to X-great grandparents, or it wouldn't make sense chronologically.

Starting the story we see the first character missing in the tree: Paper Butler's father, which appears in only 2 pages. Then Paper Butler goes to his uncle Paper mac/mc Paper in Georgia, and calls him a "distant relative". In terms of geography or genealogy?
In Georgia we met all the remaining relative missing: Paperella o'Hara mentions multiple times her grandfather, who was an hero of the Mexican war and left her his golden sword. In a refugee camp Paperella met her aunt Pitty.

I've also uploaded phot of the trio Melania, Gaston and Charles, but in the story there is no mention of a relation between them and Gladstone. Did it comes from an outside source?

[bats]

I remember the Norwegian translation of that story just chopped off the first letter of each character's name, so we got "Onald Butler", "Aisy O'Hara", "Crooge McDuck" and "Ethry Hamilton". Pretty fun way of doing it.

[hijk69]

Omg! What an amazing work!
I love it !! That must have taken you so much time ... All the characters I know are here, it's amazing. But at the same time on many occasions I do not agree with you because I remain on the basis given by Don Rosa.
I can give you a new character (I don't know if someone has already given it to you because I admit I didn't read all the answers haha): Joey DUCK, a young kangaroo adopted by Donald (I puts you the link of a page in French picsou.fandom.com/fr/wiki/Joey_Duck ). Besides, I noticed that Daisy had an aunt who was a mouse (Dahlia : picsou.fandom.com/fr/wiki/Dahlia), so we could link the tree to the mouse family (much smaller than the duck).
Congratulation again!
BTW can someone tell me how to put pictures on this conversation? I'm struggling a bit haha

[stuftmcduck]

Apr 24, 2021 19:03:05 GMT farmspirit said:

Apr 24, 2021 16:10:47 GMT LP said:

For some reason the site doesn't work for me. Would it be possible for you to take screen-grabs of the remaining faceless characters and send them to me somehow?

I've added here some scans that I've made of the italian version. Still an ufficial english translation would be useful to insert in the tree the ufficial english names.

I just want to mention some differences that I've found between your tree and the story. The main one is that in the story Paper Butler isn't an ancestor of Daisy, but of Donald and HDL. They find an album about "their grandparents" during the Civil War, but I think that they're referring more to X-great grandparents, or it wouldn't make sense chronologically.

Starting the story we see the first character missing in the tree: Paper Butler's father, which appears in only 2 pages. Then Paper Butler goes to his uncle Paper mac/mc Paper in Georgia, and calls him a "distant relative". In terms of geography or genealogy?
In Georgia we met all the remaining relative missing: Paperella o'Hara mentions multiple times her grandfather, who was an hero of the Mexican war and left her his golden sword. In a refugee camp Paperella met her aunt Pitty.

I've also uploaded phot of the trio Melania, Gaston and Charles, but in the story there is no mention of a relation between them and Gladstone. Did it comes from an outside source?

Wow, those scans are gorgeous! So there's somewhere you can get HD digital scans of Italian comics? That could be a massive boon to this thread given how many more stories have been released in Italian than English!

[sim]

Apr 24, 2021 16:08:12 GMT LP said:

Apr 23, 2021 20:46:23 GMT sim said:

also Pampero being Scrooge's great-grandfather seems too stretched to me since he is active in 1849 (he might be 60/70 at that time)

It seems like Edipo could fit somewhere on the Mazuma Duck-branch! It's specifically for blood-relatives of Scrooge named Duck! Maybe he could even be one of Mazuma's brothers, considering what I mentioned before with Scrooge older than most in his generation? Maybe he could be Tom, Drake, and Harry's father?

I was wondering about Dim-Witty myself just the other day. I haven't seen any evidence for his genealogical connection to the Ducks. 
Fethry hasn't been confirmed as Moby's nephew. However, both of them belong somewhere on that Duck-branch on the tree. There's this series where Fethry works as Moby's crewman on his boat. I haven't read it so I don't know if any relation is mentioned there. But I like to think that it's an echo of Donald and Scrooge's nephew-uncle-relationship. It's like poetry, so that it rhymes. However, if any evidence against this pops up, be sure to let me know!
When I added Dim-Witty Jr. to the tree the other week I thought of this too. There's isn't any confirmation as far as I know. Yet, if they aren't related, there would have to exist another person named Dim-Witty Sr. in the Duck universe, which I find... unlikely. But, stranger things have happened, and this is a fictional universe. Anyways, if Dim-Witty doesn't belong on the tree, then Jr. doesn't either anyways.

Bruce and Paperotto not being related is annoying - I really liked that solution! But I'll look into alternatives for the next update.

About Ocagliostro - I haven't done the calculations, but I would guess that no matter how you slice it, it would be hard to fit 10 generations in between 1700 and the 1950s/"the present". Still, worst case scenario, Ocagliostro X could easily be added as a brother to Eider and Duckpaper.

I don't understand what you mean by Pampero being Scrooge's great-grandfather seeming "stretched". Do you mean that he should only be Scrooge's grandfather? 

Yes, I mean time-wise

[LP]

Apr 24, 2021 19:43:06 GMT hijk69 said:

Omg! What an amazing work!
I love it !! That must have taken you so much time ... All the characters I know are here, it's amazing. But at the same time on many occasions I do not agree with you because I remain on the basis given by Don Rosa.
I can give you a new character (I don't know if someone has already given it to you because I admit I didn't read all the answers haha): Joey DUCK, a young kangaroo adopted by Donald (I puts you the link of a page in French picsou.fandom.com/fr/wiki/Joey_Duck ). Besides, I noticed that Daisy had an aunt who was a mouse (Dahlia : picsou.fandom.com/fr/wiki/Dahlia), so we could link the tree to the mouse family (much smaller than the duck).
Congratulation again!
BTW can someone tell me how to put pictures on this conversation? I'm struggling a bit haha

Thank you!
Fethry, Whitewater, and Lulubelle's postitions on the tree are the only thing that disagree with Rosa's tree, and I have made my reasons for their alternate placements clear elsewhere. If there are other things you disagree with, I'd love to know about it. I'm always open to finding better placements if you manage to convince me!
I guess I see Joey more as a pet than an adopted son. I'll have to watch the cartoon and make a decision.
I am aware of Aunt Dahlia. There appears to have been a miscommunication between the writer and the artist, as the image shows Minnie rather than Daisy. I decided to exclude Aunt Dahlia from the tree because it appears that she's Minnie's aunt rather than Daisy's.
To add images you'll have to use an external site. I use ImgBB.

[LP]

Apr 24, 2021 21:40:50 GMT sim said:

Apr 24, 2021 16:08:12 GMT LP said:

I don't understand what you mean by Pampero being Scrooge's great-grandfather seeming "stretched". Do you mean that he should only be Scrooge's grandfather? 

Yes, I mean time-wise

We discussed this before, but Downy O'Drake was born in 1840. You say Pampero was 60/70 in 1849. Let's say he's 65, which would mean that he was born in 1784. He would have been 56 in 1840 when Downy was born.
I think it's more likely that there is another generation in between the two, namely Mac O'Drake (Mac Paperson) on my tree. Mac O'Drake would be born around 1810. In this scenario, Pampero would be 26 when Mac O'Drake was born, and Mac O'Drake would be 30 when he fathered Downy. I find this to be the most likely scenario. I therefore prefer to keep Pampero as Scrooge's great-grandfather.

[LP]

(Sorry for triple-posting if anyone is bothered by that.)

I managed to track down my copy of the Duckfield-story. Daisy has done some genealogical research and has found relatives in Arkansas... in a town called "Hundrumpa" in Swedish... which literally translates to "Dog-butt"... Alright.
Daisy and Donald travel there to meet her cousin Ellie-Maj Ankfält (Duckfield). Since Daisy had to do research in order to become aware of the Ankfält-side of her family, I assume that Ellie-Maj must be at least her second or even third cousin. This fits neatly with my tree.

The Dog-butt town is divided into two sides via a painted line on the ground. The two sides are Ankfält and Mocksson (which I don't know how to translate... "Mocka" is suede in English, but whatever). It's basically ducks on one side and beagles on the other, and the two sides are at war with each other. It's sort of implied that everybody on the Ankfält-side is related, which is... annoying and potentially incest-y. 

At the end of the story, Ellie-Maj marries Zeke Mocksson and the war ends. But then the two factions start arguing over who should remove the painted line, which re-ignites the war. They seemingly kill each other as Donald and Daisy escapes. 


I don't know if this means that I should add every duck in Dog-butt or just the ones that are confirmed to be relatives.

[farmspirit]

Apr 24, 2021 19:50:02 GMT stuftmcduck said:

Apr 24, 2021 19:03:05 GMT farmspirit said:

Wow, those scans are gorgeous! So there's somewhere you can get HD digital scans of Italian comics? That could be a massive boon to this thread given how many more stories have been released in Italian than English!

Fortunately I have a good quantity of italian comics (except of the Minni publication. I have at least 4 or 5 stories published only there that I would find for other Disney-family trees). But still cross-checking with different translation is useful, both to see how the names have been translated and also to clarify some confusing blood-relation (like "nipote", which in italian means both nephew/niece and grandson/daughter. This is a problem for at least one other tree that I'm building). Plus having a tree all in a single language would be useful, for what is now it is combining different translations, with some names adapted and some mantained.

But let's move to the new shipment of relatives:

- In På jagt efter fortiden Scrooge and nephew travels back in time to what seems like napoleonic France (so between 1790-1821?), and meets their ancestor(?), and maybe others. I've tracked a copy of that story, but it's in danish which I don't speak, so I will need to google translate every baloons. If someone else have the story and can check which relatives appears, I can source the scans.

- Moving to something that I've read and understood, in the italian translation of En lykkelig afslutning Donald and HDL learns of a distant french relative called Paperin de Canard in italian. He was a noble when the Revolution happened, so he had to escape in Quebec. He lived for some times painting, but had to flee again. He enrolled in the explorer corps, but was then captured by the natives. Imprisoned by them, he escaped thanks to a girl who was attracted by him. When trying to return to the civilization, an avalanche buried Paperin, but he survived thanks to a potion given to him by the girl. Rescued in the modern days, he returned to France and bought back his castle, then opened it to the tourists.

- Keeping with revolutionary France, there is Mademoiselle d'Oquette e la rivoluzione. Here an ancestor of Daisy, said Paperine Oquette, thought she was a noble and added d' before her surname. Returned home after concluding her college she found that she wasn't. At home she met her uncle Paperon Oquette, a merchant; her grandmother, [unnamed] Oquette; and her betrothed Paperin Oquette. The last one having the same surname of Paperine, and living with Paperon and Grandma-like make me suppose that they are relatives in some way. Anyway what happen is that Paperin is captured and imprisoned in the Bastiglia, so Paperine incite the revolt and free Paperin. When they have won, Paperon arrives and says that they have eredited the title of Counts now. But being the revolution, their title and possession are immediately seized by the crowd.

- Going a little back in time but remaining in France, in Paolin le Paperac e la sferraglia sbuffante and in Paolin le Paperac e la "salsa delle salse", we learn that every time an ancestor of Scrooge needed to defend his money, he created an association like P.I.A. The Sun King-France counterpart was called 3D.P. (Difesa Denaro Dei Paperonier), and the Scrooge's ancestor of the period was monsieur de Paperonier, who employed his nephews Paolin le Paperac and Paperoghier, cousins between them.

- In Daisy Holmes e lo studio in rosso another ancestor of Daisy, Daisy Holmes, was the tutor of a young Athur Conan Doyle, and inspired the creation of the character of Sherlock Holmes. She already had a degree when Arthur was a child (1860-1870), and was old but still alive when he published "A study in scarlet" (1887).

- In this article of the blog Eco del Mondo appear two old scottish aunts of both Scrooge and Rockerduck. I haven't found the original italian version, so maybe the author (which should be on this forum) could tell as more about how they relate to the two characters? Edit: I'm dumb. It was sim the one who I was referring about, and he commented here multiple times. I don't know how I forget him. Sorry xD

I've added here the images.

Only a question: what are the time-limits in which you want the relatives? I've read you said Seventeen century, but if you want I have ancestors who lived before. And also after, because there are descendants of the Ducks family who are shown in leaps of a century, arriving up to the year 2617. Well, technically they are descendants from one of the possible timelines, which now doesn't exist anymore because Scrooge destroyed a box.