Boom's "Double Duck" TPBs on Inducks - Content Missing

[Mesterius]

Hey, could anyone be able to index the contents of Boom's trade paperbacks Donald Duck and Friends: Double Duck Vols. 2 and 3 on Inducks? I wanted to find out what stories they contained, and was really surprised to see that the last two volumes have no content listings at all.

[Mesterius]

I'm also curious about the apparent differences between the Volume 1 TPB and the Volume 1 Hardcover. The hardcover is listed on Inducks as containing the first Double Duck story in three parts, of 38, 32 and 28 pages respectively. That equals 98 pages in total. But the TPB is listed as containing the same story in a 142-page version. The story's main listing on Inducks also says it's 142 pages... so does that mean the TPB contains the complete version while the hardcover is an edited version?

EDIT: I corrected a few mixups from the earlier version of this comment.

[alquackskey]

I have both Trade Paperbacks - they're a bit awkwardly put together as far as indexing goes.
They don't actually have their stories listed - no table of contents or anything like that.

Some of the stories have a splash page that tells you the name (Before the Premiere is one of them), but the first story in the collection never gets that signification.

I'll put together a description for the stories, and I'll get some pictures as well - will edit this post in a few minutes with the info.

EDIT: I got the pictures!

We'll start with Volume 2 - The first story has Donald tied up while the agents talk to each other.

This story goes on for 8 pages - then it has a little caption at the bottom right saying "Find out the dramatic conclusion... starting now!" with a seemingly new story beginning on the next page.

This story is 36 pages long.
The next story is "Before the Premiere" at 37 pages long.

Finally, "Souvenir de Paris" at 8 pages long.

After that, there are some previews (which I didn't bother to take pictures of, but can do so if necessary).
There's one for DoubleDuck Volume 1, one for Ultraheroes: Save the World, one for Wizards of Mickey: Mouse Magic, one for Uncle Scrooge: The Hunt for the Old Number One, one for The Incredibles: Family Matters, and a few pages listing other available Boom Graphic Novels.

Then there's Volume 3.
The first story opens up with Jay J talking to Donald about what Kay K has been up to. This story is 26 pages long.

Next is "Total Reset Button", 36 pages.

The next story isn't actually DoubleDuck - it's  a companion feature that they call "Bugged Duck". It has  D 2003-091 in the corner, if that helps for indexing. It's 30 pages long.

Then we have more previews, I didn't bother with pictures here either.
One for Cars: Route 66 Dash, one for Ultraheroes: Race for the Ultrapods, one for The Incredibles: Secrets and Lies, one for Mickey Mouse and the World to Come, and another few pages showing available Boom Graphic Novels.

I may have miscounted the pages (They're not numbered), but I think I got it right.
If there's any more I can do to help, just let me know!

[Mesterius]

Thanks for the info and pictures, alquackskey! I have to say I'm REALLY surprised to hear that the first Double Duck story is apparently not concluded in Volume 1, but continued over in Volume 2. 'Cause here's the thing: If we take the pagecount that Inducks says the first story has in the hardcover edition - 98 - and add 36 + 8 - we get exactly 142 pages in total.

That would mean the Inducks listing for the Volume 1 trade paperback is wrong, since it claims the entire 142-page story is included there. (You could probably double-check this if you also have the Volume 1 TPB.)

This also makes sense when looking at the single Donald Duck issues which originally published the stories: "Before the Premiere" in DD #353-354 was the first Double Duck story published after the opening story (which ran for 6 parts in DD #347-352). So logically, it also follows the conclusion of the first story in the TPBs.

Following that, "Souvenir de Paris" was published in 3 parts in DD #354-356, in 8 + 21 + 5 = 34 pages (matching the 8 + 26 pages you describe in TPB Volumes 2 and 3). And so on. 

All in all, a VERY strange choice Boom made with these TPBs. The normal procedure is to split up TPB collections of comic books at the point where one long story arc ends and the next begins. In my eyes, it would have been a complete no-brainer to make Volume 1 slightly longer than the other books so that you could have the COMPLETE, first Double Duck story of 142 pages in one tome. But no -- apparently Boom Kids had a set pagecount for all these trade paperbacks, so they just split up the stories at will (meaning that you wouldn't even know the title of some stories unless you also had the previous TPB volume where they started). And they of course also HAD to have room for their precious previews of other, unrelated comics. Clearly much more important than including all the covers for the comic book issues, judging by several of the Casty Mickey Mouse volumes I have from them.

[Spectrus]

The problem with Boom! was that they divided up stories senselessly, and didn't bother to correct that for the reprints. The Casty stories had the same issues.

So, Inducksers would generally start from the actual subdivisions of the stories, but this doesn't work. This is a good example as you get a bit of part 3 from the first arc in the second book, and then part 4...

[Mesterius]

Apr 6, 2021 15:00:50 GMT Spectrus said:

The problem with Boom! was that they divided up stories senselessly, and didn't bother to correct that for the reprints. The Casty stories had the same issues.

So, Inducksers would generally start from the actual subdivisions of the stories, but this doesn't work. This is a good example as you get a bit of part 3 from the first arc in the second book, and then part 4...

Yup... and to make it even more confusing, Boom split up some stories DIFFERENTLY between the TPB volumes than they did in the single comic-book issues.

At least with alquackskey's information, and by cross-checking with the single issues on Inducks as I did above, Double Duck Volumes 2 and 3 can be properly inducksed (and the mistake with the Volume 1 TPB can be corrected).

[alquackskey]

Apr 6, 2021 12:49:12 GMT Mesterius said:

Thanks for the info and pictures, alquackskey! I have to say I'm REALLY surprised to hear that the first Double Duck story is apparently not concluded in Volume 1, but continued over in Volume 2. 'Cause here's the thing: If we take the pagecount that Inducks says the first story has in the hardcover edition - 98 - and add 36 + 8 - we get exactly 142 pages in total.

That would mean the Inducks listing for the Volume 1 trade paperback is wrong, since it claims the entire 142-page story is included there. (You could probably double-check this if you also have the Volume 1 TPB.)

This also makes sense when looking at the single Donald Duck issues which originally published the stories: "Before the Premiere" in DD #353-354 was the first Double Duck story published after the opening story (which ran for 6 parts in DD #347-352). So logically, it also follows the conclusion of the first story in the TPBs.

Following that, "Souvenir de Paris" was published in 3 parts in DD #354-356, in 8 + 21 + 5 = 34 pages (matching the 8 + 26 pages you describe in TPB Volumes 2 and 3). And so on. 

All in all, a VERY strange choice Boom made with these TPBs. The normal procedure is to split up TPB collections of comic books at the point where one long story arc ends and the next begins. In my eyes, it would have been a complete no-brainer to make Volume 1 slightly longer than the other books so that you could have the COMPLETE, first Double Duck story of 142 pages in one tome. But no -- apparently Boom Kids had a set pagecount for all these trade paperbacks, so they just split up the stories at will (meaning that you wouldn't even know the title of some stories unless you also had the previous TPB volume where they started). And they of course also HAD to have room for their precious previews of other, unrelated comics. Clearly much more important than including all the covers for the comic book issues, judging by several of the Casty Mickey Mouse volumes I have from them.

No problem, glad to help!

As for Volume 1, I haven't got the hardcover, but I do have the trade paperback. I'll do what I did for the other two volumes if it'll help with indexing!

It opens with the first story, starting with the computer being stolen. This one is 38 pages long.

The next segment begins with Donald being let out of the police station. This one is 32 pages long.

The last segment starts with Donald wondering if he's cut out for the spy life. This one is 28 pages long.

This one actually does have a cover gallery: 13 different covers are listed.
I figured that I probably shouldn't take pictures of them all, but here's a list if it helps (And I can give pictures if necessary):
Cover 347A: Magic Eye Studios
Cover 347B: Andrea Freccero
Cover 347C: Boom Kids!
Issue 347 2nd Print: Magic Eye Studios
Cover 348A: Magic Eye Studios
Cover 348B: Magic Eye Studios
Cover 348C: Magic Eye Studios
Issue 348 2nd Print: Magic Eye Studios
Cover 349A: Magic Eye Studios
Cover 349B: Magic Eye Studios
Cover 349C: Magic Eye Studios
Cover 350A: Magic Eye Studios (Colors / Andrew Dalhouse)
Cover 350B: Magic Eye Studios (Colors / Andrew Dalhouse)

Then, of course, there are 5 pages of available Boom Graphic Novels (Though no previews this time).

Yeah, all in all it was bizarrely handled - guess that's why it didn't last! Which is a shame; DoubleDuck is a lot of fun, I wish it had been given a better shot.

[Mesterius]

Thanks again! Then we know for certain that Inducks' info on the Volume 1 TPB containing the whole 142-page story is wrong. It actually just contains the first 98 pages of it, like the hardcover.

Hopefully someone can get all this into Inducks with time.

[Mesterius]

Apr 6, 2021 17:07:28 GMT alquackskey said:

Yeah, all in all it was bizarrely handled - guess that's why it didn't last! Which is a shame; DoubleDuck is a lot of fun, I wish it had been given a better shot.

I like Double Duck myself, that's exactly why I have been considering buying the three Boom Kids! volumes of the first few stories. It feels a bit more tempting than collecting them as part of the Norwegian "Donald Pocket" digest books, with all kinds of other stories in addition.

But the Boom Kids! releases seem to be expensive to get shipped to Norway, if online sellers are interested in shipping them outside the U.S. at all. I'll probably have to look for a while if I'm gonna get these books.

[alquackskey]

Apr 6, 2021 17:50:08 GMT Mesterius said:

Apr 6, 2021 17:07:28 GMT alquackskey said:

Yeah, all in all it was bizarrely handled - guess that's why it didn't last! Which is a shame; DoubleDuck is a lot of fun, I wish it had been given a better shot.

I like Double Duck myself, that's exactly why I have been considering buying the three Boom Kids! volumes of the first few stories. It feels a bit more tempting than collecting them as part of the Norwegian "Donald Pocket" digest books, with all kinds of other stories in addition.

But the Boom Kids! releases seem to be expensive to get shipped to Norway, if online sellers are interested in shipping them outside the U.S. at all. I'll probably have to look for a while if I'm gonna get these books.

Are you trying to get them solely for the physical element or just to read them?
If it's specifically the Boom paperbacks you're looking for, I couldn't offer much help - I got lucky on Amazon with mine (and even then, Volume 2 was significantly more expensive than 1 and 3), so it'd all depend on shipping.

If you're just interested in reading them in English, though, there's another solution available:
They're all available digitally on Comixology (here), as well as Mission Thermic Core, which isn't included in any of the paperbacks.

[Mesterius]

Apr 6, 2021 18:35:32 GMT alquackskey said:

Apr 6, 2021 17:50:08 GMT Mesterius said:

I like Double Duck myself, that's exactly why I have been considering buying the three Boom Kids! volumes of the first few stories. It feels a bit more tempting than collecting them as part of the Norwegian "Donald Pocket" digest books, with all kinds of other stories in addition.

But the Boom Kids! releases seem to be expensive to get shipped to Norway, if online sellers are interested in shipping them outside the U.S. at all. I'll probably have to look for a while if I'm gonna get these books.

Are you trying to get them solely for the physical element or just to read them?
If it's specifically the Boom paperbacks you're looking for, I couldn't offer much help - I got lucky on Amazon with mine (and even then, Volume 2 was significantly more expensive than 1 and 3), so it'd all depend on shipping.

If you're just interested in reading them in English, though, there's another solution available:
They're all available digitally on Comixology (here), as well as Mission Thermic Core, which isn't included in any of the paperbacks.

Comixology relases in the U.S. are often not available in all other countries, and that seems to be the case here... all I get when pressing that link is an "Oops! The content you were looking for is not currently available". Interesting to hear about "Mission Thermic Core", though. Not sure if I've read that one in Norwegian or not.

I do prefer my Disney comics physically, generally speaking, so that's the main reason I'm considering buying the Boom TPBs. But if I can't find them, there are ... ahem... other methods than Comixology for reading the single issues digitally. In fact, it was my stumbling across one of the issues that way that made me want to check up on the TPBs to begin with.

[Mesterius]

...by the way, I assume the translations on Comixology are different from the ones in Boom's releases?

[alquackskey]

Apr 6, 2021 20:05:55 GMT Mesterius said:

Apr 6, 2021 18:35:32 GMT alquackskey said:

Are you trying to get them solely for the physical element or just to read them?
If it's specifically the Boom paperbacks you're looking for, I couldn't offer much help - I got lucky on Amazon with mine (and even then, Volume 2 was significantly more expensive than 1 and 3), so it'd all depend on shipping.

If you're just interested in reading them in English, though, there's another solution available:
They're all available digitally on Comixology (here), as well as Mission Thermic Core, which isn't included in any of the paperbacks.

Comixology relases in the U.S. are often not available in all other countries, and that seems to be the case here... all I get when pressing that link is an "Oops! The content you were looking for is not currently available". Interesting to hear about "Mission Thermic Core", though. Not sure if I've read that one in Norwegian or not.

I do prefer my Disney comics physically, generally speaking, so that's the main reason I'm considering buying the Boom TPBs. But if I can't find them, there are ... ahem... other methods than Comixology for reading the single issues digitally. In fact, it was my stumbling across one of the issues that way that made me want to check up on the TPBs to begin with.

That's strange - it's a link to Comixology EU. I'm in Ireland, myself, and it works for me - I just assumed that it would work for any EU country, my bad.  


I can understand the desire for physical copies, of course - still, digital was the only way for me to get my hands on Mission Thermic Core in English, so it was good for that at least!
As for the TPBs, they seem to be a little harder to find than when I got my hands on them - if Amazon is a viable option for you, they don't show up in a normal search, but can be found by ISBN.

Volume 1: 9781608865451
Volume 2: 9781608865901
Volume 3: 9781608865925

If you do decided to search for these versions, hopefully that's of some use!
Good luck if you do decide to go for them!

Apr 6, 2021 20:10:42 GMT Mesterius said:

...by the way, I assume the translations on Comixology are different from the ones in Boom's releases?

Initially, I had assumed that they were the same.
However, I checked and there actually are changes - it's extremely similar from what I checked, but there are some minor details.
Some things in the Comixology version aren't bolded, whereas they are in the Boom version. Minor details like "His Gander's Secret Service" in Boom changed to "Her Gander's Secret Service" in Comixology.
The speech bubbles are formatted differently - Comixology has a lot of words running into the next line.

It looks like it's an edited version of the Boom translation, though I'm not 100% sure.

[Mesterius]

Apr 6, 2021 21:34:22 GMT alquackskey said:

Apr 6, 2021 20:05:55 GMT Mesterius said:

Comixology relases in the U.S. are often not available in all other countries, and that seems to be the case here... all I get when pressing that link is an "Oops! The content you were looking for is not currently available". Interesting to hear about "Mission Thermic Core", though. Not sure if I've read that one in Norwegian or not.

I do prefer my Disney comics physically, generally speaking, so that's the main reason I'm considering buying the Boom TPBs. But if I can't find them, there are ... ahem... other methods than Comixology for reading the single issues digitally. In fact, it was my stumbling across one of the issues that way that made me want to check up on the TPBs to begin with.

That's strange - it's a link to Comixology EU. I'm in Ireland, myself, and it works for me - I just assumed that it would work for any EU country, my bad.  

Aha! I think that right there might be the explanation -- Norway is actually NOT a part of the European Union! We had votings about it in 1972 and 1994, and landed on "No" both times. Now we can see where that got us... we Norwegians can't even buy Double Duck comics on Comixology. Bet those silly voters feel different now!

Apr 6, 2021 21:34:22 GMT alquackskey said:

I can understand the desire for physical copies, of course - still, digital was the only way for me to get my hands on Mission Thermic Core in English, so it was good for that at least!
As for the TPBs, they seem to be a little harder to find than when I got my hands on them - if Amazon is a viable option for you, they don't show up in a normal search, but can be found by ISBN.

Volume 1: 9781608865451
Volume 2: 9781608865901
Volume 3: 9781608865925

If you do decided to search for these versions, hopefully that's of some use!
Good luck if you do decide to go for them!

Thanks. I did manage to find the books on Amazon earlier, with a bit of creative searching; though the options there are limited by how few of the sellers ship to Norway/Europe. I may look into it more later though.

[squeakyboots]

To try and put all of this a bit more simply, the trade releases collected every four issues of Donald Duck starting at #347 onwards. So Volume 1 would be #'s 347-350, Volume 2 would be #'s 351-354 and Volume 3 would be #'s 355-358. Each issue at that time was limited to 22 pages and because the stories were longer than that, Boom decided to just end the issue at whatever page they were on, even if it didn't make sense, and begin the next issue from the following page. The same thing was done with Wizards of Mickey and UltraHeroes. As you can imagine, this quickly became a mess and made a lot of those issues unreadable.

I can understand why the trade releases aren't properly listed on inducks because that's probably a huge headache to sort out. Inducks for whatever reason also has DoubleDuck listed as one extremely long story even though it's supposed to be multiple chapters of a saga which probably adds to that confusion.

Volume 3 should also have this story in it. inducks.org/story.php?c=D+2003-091 It's a spy focused story that's unrelated to DoubleDuck and I guess Boom used it for filler in the last couple issues.

Wizards of Mickey recently got a new release by Yen Press which has every chapter presented the way they're supposed to be along with an improved translation. Here's hoping DoubleDuck can get similar treatment.

Edit: The hardcover and paperback versions of volume 1 should be identical content wise.