So, out of curiosity: is the situation right now that if you order Vol. 21 (Christmas in Duckburg) separately, you will get the first printing? The second printing is only available in the box set together with Vol. 23?
Can't speak for everyone everywhere but when I heard the version in the box set (which is how I've been buying the Barks Library) was missing the story I immediately jumped on Amazon to buy just the individual Christmas in Duckburg volume, however it was the reprint missing the story. Returned to Amazon and bought a used copy after checking with the seller that it was the first printing. So I assume all new stock of even the individual book will eventually be replaced over time as the first printing sells out with the second version.
Damn... that's what I halfway suspected.
I've been a bit puzzled that the first printings of Vols. 21 and 23 could have sold out so quickly just a few years later (since 2019 and 2020, respectively). Is that normal for current volumes of the Barks library? Almost makes me wonder if Disney had the new printing of Vol. 21 done so that they could withdraw the old one with Brer Fox from the market. Even though, I know, that sounds a bit conspirational.
IMPORTANT please below post from Don Rosa’s Facebook group. FYI this post is from another person. Don has nothing to do with it.
Please email this person with your name, and email if you would like to be added to a petition started by one of the Donaldist Society's to convince Disney to reconsider banning these 2 stories.
“I hope this post is okay...
As you may have read in this group or heard otherwise, Disney has decided to censor the Disney/Donald Duck cartoons.
Among other things, two of Don Rosa's stories (and the original Bark's story) are banned because Disney believes that the zombie is an expression of racism.
Specifically, their censorship means that stories that Disney no longer cares about cannot be reprinted again.
Which again quite concretely means an eternal goodbye to e.g. Don Rosa's Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck as Chapter 11 is one of the now banned stories!!!
The Danish Donaldist Society does not like that kind of censorship of our history, our culture and our beloved Ducks.
If Disney finally finds problems with individual stories, then it should be able to be handled in the same way as they do with their feature films – by coming up with a disclaimer beforehand.
We therefore intend to make an attempt to influence Disney in that direction.
Does it help?
Maybe not.
But we will not watch in silence.
We are therefore sending the following letter to Disney - for the time being on behalf of the Danish Donaldist Society, Ankistit - Finish Donaldist Society and Carl Barks Fan Club. We have also reached out to the Swedish, German and Italian Donaldists.
But we also welcome individual co-signatories - because the more we are, the more impact we have!
I hope this post is okay...
As you may have read in this group or heard otherwise, Disney has decided to censor the Disney/Donald Duck cartoons.
Among other things, two of Don Rosa's stories (and the original Bark's story) are banned because Disney believes that the zombie is an expression of racism.
Specifically, their censorship means that stories that Disney no longer cares about cannot be reprinted again.
Which again quite concretely means an eternal goodbye to e.g. Don Rosa's Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck as Chapter 11 is one of the now banned stories!!!
The Danish Donaldist Society does not like that kind of censorship of our history, our culture and our beloved Ducks.
If Disney finally finds problems with individual stories, then it should be able to be handled in the same way as they do with their feature films – by coming up with a disclaimer beforehand.
We therefore intend to make an attempt to influence Disney in that direction.
Does it help?
Maybe not.
But we will not watch in silence.
We are therefore sending the following letter to Disney - for the time being on behalf of the Danish Donaldist Society, Ankistit - Finish Donaldist Society and Carl Barks Fan Club. We have also reached out to the Swedish, German and Italian Donaldists.
But we also welcome individual co-signatories - because the more we are, the more impact we have!
So if you want to put your signature on the letter - write your name and nationality below - or send me an email at lailajesp@hotmail.com
We need to get it completed and sent off, so the deadline for submitting your signature is Sunday, February 19 at 3 p.m.
I hope many people want to put their vote in the pool!
The letter we intend to send is the following:
To The Walt Disney Company
On behalf of all the Duck societies and all the duck fans from around the globe listed at the bottom, I hereby send The Walt Disney Company a request, to reconsider the decision regarding banning certain Donald Duck stories from being published in the future.
We acknowledge that standards off which things can be viewed as offensive may differ from country to country, and we understand The Walt Disney Company’s considerations on how things may be viewed by different readers and hence which signals The Walt Disney Company is sending out to its readership.
But caution and censorship are two very different reactions and, in this situation we find that censorship is the wrong solution.
By banning stories written in the past, you take away the possibility for readers - eg. parents that read to their children - to discuss how the world has evolved and why this realization is so important.
At the same time, you take away cultural literature that has played a very important role of many peoples life particularly in Europe.
When for example you ban the 11th chapter in The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck you remove an integral part of one of the most influential and important Duck comics of all time – a highly awarded and loved comic tale that actually became the survival of Donald Duck comics all over Europe and which for many of the people under the age of 40 was their introduction to the Disney comic universe.
Without this comic – and many others – on the market, the world would be a poorer place.
The world has changed and we acknowledge this, but The Walt Disney Company has already created an informative and elegant solution regarding your movies – and we only ask, that you will employ the same solution for our beloved comics. By introducing an informative notice at your start certain comics, you will make the readers think of what they are reading and thereby stop up for a second and acknowledge the different world we live in – and how we arrived to this point in time. This would have a positive influence on the readers to come. By withdrawing the comics from the market, you will not only remove stories loved by many people, you will also remove the opportunity to impact and teach the readers.
As we hope you will listen to our prayers – sincerely yours
Laila Jerming Graf President The Danish Donaldist Society
So if you want to put your signature on the letter - write your name and nationality below - or send me an email at lailajesp@hotmail.com
We need to get it completed and sent off, so the deadline for submitting your signature is Sunday, February 19 at 3 p.m.
I hope many people want to put their vote in the pool!
The letter we intend to send is the following:
To The Walt Disney Company
On behalf of all the Duck societies and all the duck fans from around the globe listed at the bottom, I hereby send The Walt Disney Company a request, to reconsider the decision regarding banning certain Donald Duck stories from being published in the future.
We acknowledge that standards off which things can be viewed as offensive may differ from country to country, and we understand The Walt Disney Company’s considerations on how things may be viewed by different readers and hence which signals The Walt Disney Company is sending out to its readership.
But caution and censorship are two very different reactions and, in this situation we find that censorship is the wrong solution.
By banning stories written in the past, you take away the possibility for readers - eg. parents that read to their children - to discuss how the world has evolved and why this realization is so important.
At the same time, you take away cultural literature that has played a very important role of many peoples life particularly in Europe.
When for example you ban the 11th chapter in The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck you remove an integral part of one of the most influential and important Duck comics of all time – a highly awarded and loved comic tale that actually became the survival of Donald Duck comics all over Europe and which for many of the people under the age of 40 was their introduction to the Disney comic universe.
Without this comic – and many others – on the market, the world would be a poorer place.
The world has changed and we acknowledge this, but The Walt Disney Company has already created an informative and elegant solution regarding your movies – and we only ask, that you will employ the same solution for our beloved comics. By introducing an informative notice at your start certain comics, you will make the readers think of what they are reading and thereby stop up for a second and acknowledge the different world we live in – and how we arrived to this point in time. This would have a positive influence on the readers to come. By withdrawing the comics from the market, you will not only remove stories loved by many people, you will also remove the opportunity to impact and teach the readers.
As we hope you will listen to our prayers – sincerely yours
Laila Jerming Graf President The Danish Donaldist Society“
Can't speak for everyone everywhere but when I heard the version in the box set (which is how I've been buying the Barks Library) was missing the story I immediately jumped on Amazon to buy just the individual Christmas in Duckburg volume, however it was the reprint missing the story. Returned to Amazon and bought a used copy after checking with the seller that it was the first printing. So I assume all new stock of even the individual book will eventually be replaced over time as the first printing sells out with the second version.
Damn... that's what I halfway suspected.
I've been a bit puzzled that the first printings of Vols. 21 and 23 could have sold out so quickly just a few years later (since 2019 and 2020, respectively). Is that normal for current volumes of the Barks library? Almost makes me wonder if Disney had the new printing of Vol. 21 done so that they could withdraw the old one with Brer Fox from the market. Even though, I know, that sounds a bit conspirational.
From my experience, inside the boxsets there are almost always reprints. So I wouldn't think this time it was any different. Actually I'm quite glad they updated vol23. Not so happy about 21, though. One word censored or a full story omitted? I would still go with the one word censored.
I've been a bit puzzled that the first printings of Vols. 21 and 23 could have sold out so quickly just a few years later (since 2019 and 2020, respectively). Is that normal for current volumes of the Barks library? Almost makes me wonder if Disney had the new printing of Vol. 21 done so that they could withdraw the old one with Brer Fox from the market. Even though, I know, that sounds a bit conspirational.
From my experience, inside the boxsets there are almost always reprints. So I wouldn't think this time it was any different. Actually I'm quite glad they updated vol23. Not so happy about 21, though. One word censored or a full story omitted? I would still go with the one word censored.
Well, yes, we knew that the box set release contains the new printings. That's logical, especially if it's almost always that way with the box sets.
However, judging by afroduck's comment, it appears that we'll be getting the new printing of Vol. 21 even if we order the volume separately:
So, out of curiosity: is the situation right now that if you order Vol. 21 (Christmas in Duckburg) separately, you will get the first printing? The second printing is only available in the box set together with Vol. 23?
Can't speak for everyone everywhere but when I heard the version in the box set (which is how I've been buying the Barks Library) was missing the story I immediately jumped on Amazon to buy just the individual Christmas in Duckburg volume, however it was the reprint missing the story. Returned to Amazon and bought a used copy after checking with the seller that it was the first printing. So I assume all new stock of even the individual book will eventually be replaced over time as the first printing sells out with the second version.
That's why I'm halfway wondering if Disney may have deliberately withdrawn the first printing of Vol. 21 (perhaps before it sold out), so that they could get the Brer Fox story off the market as quickly as possible.
From my experience, inside the boxsets there are almost always reprints. So I wouldn't think this time it was any different. Actually I'm quite glad they updated vol23. Not so happy about 21, though. One word censored or a full story omitted? I would still go with the one word censored.
Well, yes, we knew that the box set release contains the new printings. That's logical, especially if it's almost always that way with the box sets.
However, judging by afroduck's comment, it appears that we'll be getting the new printing of Vol. 21 even if we order the volume separately:
Can't speak for everyone everywhere but when I heard the version in the box set (which is how I've been buying the Barks Library) was missing the story I immediately jumped on Amazon to buy just the individual Christmas in Duckburg volume, however it was the reprint missing the story. Returned to Amazon and bought a used copy after checking with the seller that it was the first printing. So I assume all new stock of even the individual book will eventually be replaced over time as the first printing sells out with the second version.
That's why I'm halfway wondering if Disney may have deliberately withdrawn the first printing of Vol. 21 (perhaps before it sold out), so that they could get the Brer Fox story off the market as quickly as possible.
Well, that's what I'm saying. Generally they always finish the first printing before the release of the boxset. In few occasions the boxset included a third printing as well. I don't think this time it was any different and they purposely made the first printing go out of stock.
But it could be that I'm wrong and in this specific case they wanted to made available only the corrected volumes. Who knows?
Anyway, I only buy the boxsets and I'm seriously considering buying a used vol21. I'm just scared that more stories will not be printed in the future, making this collection incomplete in any case...
1. This is dicey discussion and easy to fall into more heated political discussion. Try to be reasonable and if you feel yourself starting to get angrier and more accusatory, just calm down. End of the day it's not worth the headache. 2. I don't know how to put this because I don't want to just make it a ban as I feel it's unfair for a fandom space. But we know Disney people look at fandom spaces, we know there's been things in the past like fan names getting picked up as official ones. With that in mind, consider that discussions of "oh what else are they going to censor" or "oh they censored this but let this and this be fine" can easily instead be useful lists of what further to censor, put together conveniently for anyone else to pass by and grab.
I don't know. I'm honestly considering just closing the forum because I don't know how to square the need for a fandom space where people can talk about stuff freely while also heavily suspecting that what gets spoken here might easily be used like that.
1. This is dicey discussion and easy to fall into more heated political discussion. Try to be reasonable and if you feel yourself starting to get angrier and more accusatory, just calm down. End of the day it's not worth the headache. 2. I don't know how to put this because I don't want to just make it a ban as I feel it's unfair for a fandom space. But we know Disney people look at fandom spaces, we know there's been things in the past like fan names getting picked up as official ones. With that in mind, consider that discussions of "oh what else are they going to censor" or "oh they censored this but let this and this be fine" can easily instead be useful lists of what further to censor, put together conveniently for anyone else to pass by and grab.
I don't know. I'm honestly considering just closing the forum because I don't know how to square the need for a fandom space where people can talk about stuff freely while also heavily suspecting that what gets spoken here might easily be used like that.
The forum as in... the entire Feathery Society?! I'd strongly, strongly urge you not to do that - I understand where the concern is coming from, but I'm sure I'm not the only one to whom this space means a lot.
This is the only space I know of where people can discuss these comics with like-minded people - not only that, but there are all sorts on here, it's not too 'localized', for want of a better term. I, personally, would be pretty crushed if it came to that - the Duck fandom as a whole would be losing so much. Would it be worth losing everything here to maybe stop Disney from censoring certain content?
I can't force your hand or anything, but I do implore you to keep the place up - and if it comes to banning certain topics of discussion, I'd take that over not being able to discuss at all
Last Edit: Feb 21, 2023 13:39:53 GMT by alquackskey
Resident autistic, diabetic duck fan.
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Here in Norway, the national broadcaster NRK has this as one of the headlines on their main website today. On the main page, the title is "Disney dropper Donald Duck-klassikere" ("Disney drops Donald Duck classics"), and it links to this: www.nrk.no/nyheter/disney-stopper-historier-om-onkel-skrue-1.16305733
So at least here, the censoring of Don Rosa stories is considered important enough to the general public to make it national news. That makes me wonder if (and how) it has been reported in media in other European countries.
Here in Norway, the national broadcaster NRK has this as one of the headlines on their main website today. On the main page, the title is "Disney dropper Donald Duck-klassikere" ("Disney drops Donald Duck classics"), and it links to this: www.nrk.no/nyheter/disney-stopper-historier-om-onkel-skrue-1.16305733
So at least here, the censoring of Don Rosa stories is considered important enough to the general public to make it national news. That makes me wonder if (and how) it has been reported in media in other European countries.
Many Italian newspaper also made articles about it. Mostly right-wing newspapers accusing the "cancel culture" or the "politically correct" for it. I will not link the articles because they're full of misinformations. But you can look for "Don Rosa Zio Paperone" on google and you will find many.
Post by jonathan19wilson on Feb 22, 2023 6:19:24 GMT
Rosa posted an update:
"I have asked for an update from the source who notified me of the story ban (a totally reliable source) and I’m told “discussions are underway”.
Hopefully “saner minds will prevail”, and there’s some solution that will be reached. I’d say there is at least hope because, I repeat, the publishers are probably as upset about this as anyone since it will make them look bad even though it’s out of their control."
On one hand it's nice that this is getting protested as much as it is, on the other it's kinda sad that Disney has already banned thousands of stories and nobody bothered saying anything until it happened to affect one specific author.
On one hand it's nice that this is getting protested as much as it is, on the other it's kinda sad that Disney has already banned thousands of stories and nobody bothered saying anything until it happened to affect one specific author.
Nobody bothered saying anything until now because...
1. Most people have no idea Disney had already banned thousands of stories before this Lo$ ban. 2. This ban happens to involve the single most popular Disney comic on the planet (the Lo$ saga). It should not be surprising that more people care about the Lo$ than Brer rabbit comics.
A big part of the problem is that while this 'Stories Matter' panel is full of representatives from very worthy organizations, at least publicly, it doesn't appear that there are any artists or historians represented.
A big part of the problem is that while this 'Stories Matter' panel is full of representatives from very worthy organizations, at least publicly, it doesn't appear that there are any artists or historians represented.
It's an American panel, so chances are not a single person on it would be able to name any Disney comic creators at gunpoint, and that more than half of them don't even know Disney comics are a thing at all.
A big part of the problem is that while this 'Stories Matter' panel is full of representatives from very worthy organizations, at least publicly, it doesn't appear that there are any artists or historians represented.
It's an American panel, so chances are not a single person on it would be able to name any Disney comic creators at gunpoint, and that more than half of them don't even know Disney comics are a thing at all.
Or name a director, animator, or writer of Disney animation, for that matter.