Since the story doesn't stand many chances to be translated by IDW in English in the near future, I'd still like you to #1 give me some thoughts about the character, and #2 try and find him a working English name that would, like "Papirone", offer some connection to "Scrooge".
For what is worth, in Barks' "Interplanetary Postman" a random guy named Stooge McDock is mentioned, and the main point about the dude is that his name can be easily mistaken for Scrooge McDuck. Why did I mention this fact? Because in the Italian version of the story, the guy's name became Papirone.
Doing the reverse process, the same translator would localize "Papirone de' Paperoni" as "Stooge McDuck".
That is interesting. Not sure if it's usable, but very interesting.
For what is worth, in Barks' "Interplanetary Postman" a random guy named Stooge McDock is mentioned, and the main point about the dude is that his name can be easily mistaken for Scrooge McDuck. Why did I mention this fact? Because in the Italian version of the story, the guy's name became Papirone.
Doing the reverse process, the same translator would localize "Papirone de' Paperoni" as "Stooge McDuck".
That is interesting. Not sure if it's usable, but very interesting.
Scrooge's "Twin brother, called "Stooge", would provide a built-in reason why we haven't seen much of him. He hated Scrooge and his parents for giving him the "insulting name" , and Scrooge only the "not-so-nice" name. So, he ran away from home at a young age, and almost never had anything to do with his family after that, other than the "Papirone de' Paperoni" story, and the few others about him that will appear in future. I certainly would want to use a twin of Scrooge.
Here is a new character most of you have probably never heard about: Papirone De'Paperoni. Van Horn's precautions to make him fit into the Don Rosa canon will probably have led most of you to begrudgingly accept Rumpus McFowl, as most of you probably tolerate Gideon McDuck. But did you know that there is yet another brother of Scrooge McDuck around?
In 1955's Donald Duck and the Man of the West, by Guido Martina and Giovan Battista Carpi, we are introduced (for the one and only time) to Scrooge's twin brother, "Papirone de' Paperoni" (a name that is extremely similar to Scrooge's name, "Paperone de' Paperoni". The concept behind Papirone is that he is physically identical to Scrooge, but, unlike him, is a very generous philanthropist. Of course, this leads to comical quiproquos when Donald meets Papirone and mistakes him for Scrooge.
Now, the strange thing is, in spite of his importance (unlike Gideon, it is the very core of his character that he is Scrooge's brother), he was never used again. Since the story doesn't stand many chances to be translated by IDW in English in the near future, I'd still like you to #1 give me some thoughts about the character, and #2 try and find him a working English name that would, like "Papirone", offer some connection to "Scrooge".
I don't know this story, as I never read the Dutch pocketbooks, (nor The Italian). What was Scrooge's Twin like in that story? Was he friendly to Scrooge? Or was he a jealous rival? Or was he Scrooge's enemy due to problems they had as youths? I need to know this, if I will try to use him in a story some day in the future.
That's not different enough. And it's too silly to name two sons the same given name (although there are many silly Americans who do that). Didn't George Foreman (or some other famous professional boxer have several brothers, and they ALL had the Christian (first or given) name of "George"? That would be against the law in Germany, and overturned by the courts. It's idiotic. It's like saddling your child with the name "Moon Unit" for the rest of its life, or giving a boy a girl's name. Of course, it's easier than rattling of all of their names if you have a lot of children and you are calling them to dinner!
Here is a new character most of you have probably never heard about: Papirone De'Paperoni. Van Horn's precautions to make him fit into the Don Rosa canon will probably have led most of you to begrudgingly accept Rumpus McFowl, as most of you probably tolerate Gideon McDuck. But did you know that there is yet another brother of Scrooge McDuck around?
In 1955's Donald Duck and the Man of the West, by Guido Martina and Giovan Battista Carpi, we are introduced (for the one and only time) to Scrooge's twin brother, "Papirone de' Paperoni" (a name that is extremely similar to Scrooge's name, "Paperone de' Paperoni". The concept behind Papirone is that he is physically identical to Scrooge, but, unlike him, is a very generous philanthropist. Of course, this leads to comical quiproquos when Donald meets Papirone and mistakes him for Scrooge.
Now, the strange thing is, in spite of his importance (unlike Gideon, it is the very core of his character that he is Scrooge's brother), he was never used again. Since the story doesn't stand many chances to be translated by IDW in English in the near future, I'd still like you to #1 give me some thoughts about the character, and #2 try and find him a working English name that would, like "Papirone", offer some connection to "Scrooge".
I don't know this story, as I never read the Dutch pocketbooks, (nor The Italian). What was Scrooge's Twin like in that story? Was he friendly to Scrooge? Or was he a jealous rival? Or was he Scrooge's enemy due to problems they had as youths? I need to know this, if I will try to use him in a story some day in the future.
Papirone and Scrooge never meet each other. The story's basic plot is that Donald and HDL travel to Arizona, and overhear people in the small western town they're staying at talking about "McDuck, the great benefactor". Thinking they discovered a hidden good side to their Uncle Scrooge, they seek the man out, only to find he is actually his twin brother as a "twist ending". Papirone is said to have discovered about 700 hundred gold-mines in the West and given most of it to charities.
That's not different enough. And it's too silly to name two sons the same given name (although there are many silly Americans who do that). Didn't George Foreman (or some other famous professional boxer have several brothers, and they ALL had the Christian (first or given) name of "George"? That would be against the law in Germany, and overturned by the courts. It's idiotic. It's like saddling your child with the name "Moon Unit" for the rest of its life, or giving a boy a girl's name. Of course, it's easier than rattling of all of their names if you have a lot of children and you are calling them to dinner!
Boxer/chef/entrepreneur George Edward Foreman's sons are George Edward Foreman Jr., George Edward Foreman III, George Edward Foreman IV, George Edward Foreman V, and George Edward Foreman VI.
This is not traditional in the USA, but is legal if that is what was entered on their birth certificates and was not done to defraud. If the grill salesman wanted to be legally referred to as George Edward Foreman Sr., he would have to have court approval.
That's not different enough. And it's too silly to name two sons the same given name (although there are many silly Americans who do that). Didn't George Foreman (or some other famous professional boxer have several brothers, and they ALL had the Christian (first or given) name of "George"? That would be against the law in Germany, and overturned by the courts. It's idiotic. It's like saddling your child with the name "Moon Unit" for the rest of its life, or giving a boy a girl's name. Of course, it's easier than rattling of all of their names if you have a lot of children and you are calling them to dinner!
Boxer/chef/entrepreneur George Edward Foreman's sons are George Edward Foreman Jr., George Edward Foreman III, George Edward Foreman IV, George Edward Foreman V, and George Edward Foreman VI.
This is not traditional in the USA, but is legal if that is what was entered on their birth certificates and was not done to defraud. If the grill salesman wanted to be legally referred to as George Edward Foreman Sr., he would have to have court approval.
HA! HA! Foreman could have called his sons Junior, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE and SIX! Clearly, he did that just to be different (unique). Not traditional? Of course not! The "many" to which I referred, might be a few hundred out of 300 million people. But, I meant to imply that it is more than a few adle-brained people. Probably most of them are from the backwoods in The Appalachian, Allegheny, and Ozark Mountains, where they had a lot of in-breeding during the 18th and 19th centuries. They were too lazy to think up more than one name! Maybe I should write a story using this silliness, tied to a mystery?
Numbering one's children was actually relatively common in past Italy. But as in Primo(First) [Surname], Secondo(Second) [Surname], Terzo(Third) [Surname], etc. Not recycling their own name.
Numbering one's children was actually relatively common in past Italy. But as in Primo(First) [Surname], Secondo(Second) [Surname], Terzo(Third) [Surname], etc. Not recycling their own name.
Is THAT how famous chemist and author, Primo Levy, got named? He was the firstborn son?
Numbering one's children was actually relatively common in past Italy. But as in Primo(First) [Surname], Secondo(Second) [Surname], Terzo(Third) [Surname], etc. Not recycling their own name.
Is THAT how famous chemist and author, Primo Levy, got named? He was the firstborn son?
I don't know. He was the firstborn son, but I'm not sure that was why he was called Primo. I may be that his parents just knew that "Primo" was a common first name and called their son that, without knowing it was supposed to mean something.
Numbering the sons was also done by Honolulu detective Charlie Chan. In most of the movies No. 1 Son was played by Keye Luke, and in at least one episode Keye Luke was not available - so No. 2 Son was played by Sen Yung. (1940s "B" movies)
But think of how boring the Newhart Show would have been if Larry had just referred to his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl as: One and Two. (1985 TV)
Numbering the sons was also done by Honolulu detective Charlie Chan. In most of the movies No. 1 Son was played by Keye Luke, and in at least one episode Keye Luke was not available - so No. 2 Son was played by Sen Yung. (1940s "B" movies)
But think of how boring the Newhart Show would have been if Larry had just referred to his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl as: One and Two. (1985 TV)
That' what I was talking about among The Hillbillies, naming their children with the same names. Those 3 brothers were portrayed as stupid, thickheaded Hillbillies, who have much lower than normal intelligence due to inbreeding for 200 to 300 years.
Is THAT how famous chemist and author, Primo Levy, got named? He was the firstborn son?
I don't know. He was the firstborn son, but I'm not sure that was why he was called Primo. I may be that his parents just knew that "Primo" was a common first name and called their son that, without knowing it was supposed to mean something.
In Italian "Primo" means "First". It's... unlikely his parents wouldn't know such a common word. You know, being Italians and both well-read. So, yeah. He was called Primo because he was the firstborn. As i said, it was common.
Numbering the sons was also done by Honolulu detective Charlie Chan. In most of the movies No. 1 Son was played by Keye Luke, and in at least one episode Keye Luke was not available - so No. 2 Son was played by Sen Yung. (1940s "B" movies)
But think of how boring the Newhart Show would have been if Larry had just referred to his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl as: One and Two. (1985 TV)
Yes. But there is a difference here from the LEGAL name being #1 or #2, as in George Edward III, and Son #1 that also has a legal Chinese given name. The 2 Darryls had no difference in their legal names, unless they had different second given names.