Scrooge McDuck's (and families) names worldwide?

[drakeborough]

May 11, 2017 15:16:45 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

On a separate topic, but one related to this thread, was it Rosa who came up with Goldie's last name being "O'Gilt"? If so, has he ever discussed the circumstances behind that?

Yes, it was Rosa who came up with her last name O'Gilt, and the reasoning behind that is that Glittering Goldie was obviously not a full name: Barks clearly used Goldie as a first name in "Back to the Klondike", and "Glittering" is obviously a nickname.

The first time Rosa used that last name is in the following scene from Lo$ part 8:

In addition of revealing her surname, the same scene also foreshadows that she will get soon get the nickname Glittering Goldie. By the way, in the Italian version the line "I expect to be glittering by spring" is meaningless because the character was called Doretta Doremì (a given name and a surname) in the first Italian translation of "Back to the Klondike" and kept that name in most subsequent appearances, including all of Rosa's stories. I only understood the meaning of that line when I discovered her English name.

Anyway, Rosa also used her last name in Lo$ part 9, where a newspaper calls her "Glittering" Goldie O'Gilt:



The last name O'Gilt was also used in Thad Komorowski's localization of The Miner's Granddaughter (1966 for the original Italian version, 2016 for the American version):

There are also two other stories that may or may not use her last name in their American localization (I can't say because I only read the first story in Italian and never read the second story):

Pipe Dreams (1980 for the original Dutch version, 2008 for the American version)
What Goes Around (2000 for the original Dutch version, 2006 for the American version)

[Scrooge MacDuck]

May 11, 2017 15:16:45 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

On a separate topic, but one related to this thread, was it Rosa who came up with Goldie's last name being "O'Gilt"? If so, has he ever discussed the circumstances behind that?

I do believe it was. And I don't have any access to an interview where he explained it, but the meaning of 'gilt' is obvious, and I think the point of the "O‘" was to have a counterpart to Scrooge's 'Mc'. 

[Baar Baar Jinx]

It always felt to me that "Glittering Goldie", in its entirety, was a stage name.
Did Italian comics give Goldie a last name before Rosa gave her one in English?

EDIT: I see drakeborough mentioned a full name for the character in the Italian printing of "Back to The Klondike".  Interesting, considering that Barks never gave her a full name. Does the Italian name carry any particular significance?

[Matilda]

May 11, 2017 16:50:02 GMT drakeborough said:

May 11, 2017 15:16:45 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

There are also two other stories that may or may not use her last name in their American localization (I can't say because I only read the first story in Italian and never read the second story):

Pipe Dreams (1980 for the original Dutch version, 2008 for the American version)
What Goes Around (2000 for the original Dutch version, 2006 for the American version)

Hey, a question I can actually answer from the comics I own!

What Goes Around: yes, Goldie's last name appears on p. 10, when the lawyer says, "I have prepared a legal document that will transfer all your possessions to your wife, Goldie O'Gilt." It's actually rather interesting that the "O'Gilt" name is used there, because it means that in this alternate universe they're trying to make Scrooge believe in, Goldie would not have changed her name at her marriage.
    When Scrooge first sees her on p. 3, he just says "Goldie? Glittering Goldie?!"

Pipe Dreams: no, Goldie's last name is not used. The fact that the story was written pre-Rosa's-Goldie may have influenced dialoguer David Gerstein's choice here.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

May 11, 2017 20:42:07 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

EDIT: I see drakeborough mentioned a full name for the character in the Italian printing of "Back to The Klondike".  Interesting, considering that Barks never gave her a full name. Does the Italian name carry any particular significance?

Goldie's Italian name is 'Doretta Doremi'. "Doretta" is a rather straingtforward translation of "Goldie", while the surname "Doremi" is a portmanteau of "Do, Re, Mi", the three first notes in a music scale (equivalent to C, D, E in the English musical notation). Interestingly, we French people temporarily used Doretta Dorémi too. Our other old name for Goldie was 'Rayon-d'Or', clearly a stage name, which meant 'Gold Beam'.

[drakeborough]

May 11, 2017 20:42:07 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

It always felt to me that "Glittering Goldie", in its entirety, was a stage name.

Well, "Glittering Goldie" being her stage name doesn't preclude "Goldie" from being her real name. After all, Goldie is a name that exists in real life:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldie_(given_name)

Goldie is a given name. Notable people with the name include:

*Goldie Hawn (born 1945), American actress
*Goldie Hill (1933–2005), early American country music singer
*Goldie Michelson (1902–2016), American supercentenarian
*Goldie Sayers (born 1982), British javelin thrower
*Goldie Sellers (born 1942), American former professional football player
*Goldie Semple (1952–2009), Canadian actress

To be fair, Goldie can also be a surname:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldie_(surname)

Goldie is a surname. Notable people with the surname include:

*Alfred Goldie (1920–2005), English mathematician
*Annabel Goldie (born 1950), Scottish politician
*Archie Goldie (1874–1953), Scottish footballer
*C. F. Goldie (1870–1947), New Zealand artist famous for his paintings of early Maori
*Charles Goldie (cricketer) (1826–1886), English clergyman and cricketer, father of John
*Dan Goldie (born 1963), American tennis player
*David Goldie (politician) (1842–1926), Mayor of Auckland City and Member of Parliament in New Zealand, father of C. F. Goldie
*David Goldie (priest) (1946–2002), priest in the Church of England
*Edward Goldie (1856–1921), English ecclesiastical architect, son of George Goldie
*George Goldie (architect) (1828–1887), English ecclesiastical architect
*George Taubman Goldie (1846–1925), European explorer
*Jim Goldie (born 1940), Scottish professional footballer
*John Goldie (1849–1896), British rower
*John Goldie (botanist) (1793-1886), Scottish-born botanist
*Malcolm Goldie (1883–?), Scottish footballer, coach at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology
*Michael Goldie (1932–2013), British actor
*Noel Goldie (1882–1964), British Member of Parliament
*Peter Goldie (1946–2011), British philosopher
*Rosemary Goldie (1916–2010), Australian Catholic theologian
*William Goldie (1878–1952), Scottish footballer, brother of Archie

Still, it seems obvious that Barks used Goldie as a given name rather than as a surname, since Scrooge calls her Goldie while she calls him Scrooge.

May 11, 2017 20:42:07 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Did Italian comics give Goldie a last name before Rosa gave her one in English?

EDIT: I see drakeborough mentioned a full name for the character in the Italian printing of "Back to The Klondike".  Interesting, considering that Barks never gave her a full name. Does the Italian name carry any particular significance?

In Italy Goldie is know as Doretta Doremì (sometimed spelled Doretta Doremi), a name first used in the first Italian translation (1953) of "Back to the Klondike" and kept in virtually every other subsequent story.

Doretta is a name that exists in real life as a diminutive of Dora:

it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_(nome)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dora_(given_name)

Doretta sounds similar to "d'oro"/"dorato" ("golden"/"gilded"), so from a translator's point of view it's basically the Italian equivalent of Goldie, even though the etymology of Dora has nothing to do with the gold.

Dora (Greek: Δώρα) is a female name of Greek origin being a shortened form or derived from Dorothea (Dorothy), Theodora[1] meaning "Gift" or in its full form "God's Gift", from δῶρον, doron, "gift"[2] + θεός, theos, "god".[3] The name Dora can also be a short form of Isadora, Isidora and other such compound names.[4] The earliest form of the word doron is the Mycenaean Greek 𐀈𐀨, do-ra, meaning "gifts", written in the Linear B syllabic script, but it is not an anthroponym, it is only the plural (δῶρα) of said word;[5] on the other hand, the names Theodora and Amphidora are attested in Linear B as 𐀳𐀃𐀈𐀨, te-o-do-ra, and 𐀀𐀠𐀈𐀨, a-pi-do-ra, respectively. The masculine counterpart of the latter, i.e. Amphidoros, is also found: 𐀀𐀠𐀈𐀫, a-pi-do-ro.[6]

In the Russian language, Dora can be a diminutive of the male first name Agafodor.[7]

Related trivia: as we discussed in another thread, Grandma Duck has been called Dorette (which I assume is the German diminutive of Dora) in German comics since at least 1968, which in turn led Dutch authors to call her Dora since 1984.

EDIT: That thread was updated few minutes ago, revealing that Germans have been calling her Dorette since at least 1960.

Back to the topic: as Scrooge MacDuck said, Doremì is a reference to the first three notes in a musical scale (DO, RE and MI, meaning C, D and E), clearly a reference to her ability to sing. It may be argued that Doremì can be her nickname, since in Italy nicknames are often put after the first name, but I think it was meant to be her surname. The surname Doremì/Doremi doesn't exist in real life, but this doesn't mean anything since the same thing is true for many surnames in Italian Disney comics.

I can only think of three instances where she is not called Doretta Doremì in Italy:

*In the translation of "Back to the Klondike" published in the first issue of Zio Paperone (December 1987) she was called "la scintillante Goldie", a literal translation of Glittering Goldie.

*In DuckTales her name varied between "la scintillante Goldie" (first season) and Doretta Paperetta (second season).

*[I just discovered this one thanks to Inducks] In the Italian translation of A Big Night On The Town (1980 for the original Dutch version, 1981 for the Italian version) she is called Gloria Delor. The surname Delor sounds like "dell'oro" ("of the gold").

Plus, Glittering Goldie was the name of a ship in the Italian parody story Moby Dick (2013).

Also, in the thread you never know where a certain Duck will show up! I have mentioned an Italian non-Disney comic which is part of the Martin Mistère franchise: "Storie da Altrove" #10 (October 2007), written by Carlo Recagno and drawn by by Sergio Giardo. The story refers to the events of Rosa's "Hearts of the Yukon", and Goldie is called by her original name (Goldie O'Gilt, even though in "Hearts of the Yukon" she is just called Glittering Goldie). The Blackjack is also called by its original name:

CAPTION BOX: North of the Yukon, January 1898...
LONDON: Now, Colonel, are you happy to be returning to your base?
STEELE: Absolutely, Mr. London...
STEELE: My mission of patrolling this area has ended... even though Dawson is an interesting city, flooding with life. Sooner or later I could return...
STEELE: I wouldn't mind, one day or another one, to set foot again in the "Blackjack" saloon and see again its owner, the fascinating Goldie O'Gilt...
LONDON: I understand you...
LONDON: ... even though she only had eyes for that Scottish gold prospector...
STEELE: Too bad! We did our job here, and there's nothing else to do for an officer of the North West Mounted Police... and not even for you as a reporter...

And since French translators sometimes translated American comics from their Italian translation, Doretta Doremi was also her French name for a brief time, like Scrooge MacDuck said. But Inducks says Goldie O'Gilt is her main French name while Rayon d'or and Doretta Doremi are occasional names: is her surname O'Gilt really used that often in France? And how is she called in the modern French edition of "Back to the Klondike"?

May 12, 2017 2:46:13 GMT Matilda said:

What Goes Around: yes, Goldie's last name appears on p. 10, when the lawyer says, "I have prepared a legal document that will transfer all your possessions to your wife, Goldie O'Gilt." It's actually rather interesting that the "O'Gilt" name is used there, because it means that in this alternate universe they're trying to make Scrooge believe in, Goldie would not have changed her name at her marriage.
   When Scrooge first sees her on p. 3, he just says "Goldie? Glittering Goldie?!"

It makes sense that a a lawyer would use her full name. Since the story is from 2000, I wonder if the surname O'Gilt appears in the original version or if it's an addition by translators Dwight Decker and Gary Leach. Of course, it may be a moot point since her Dutch name is Gulda Glimmer (a given name and a surname), but I think the scripts for Dutch stories are in English, and in that case my question is valid.

May 12, 2017 2:46:13 GMT Matilda said:

Pipe Dreams: no, Goldie's last name is not used. The fact that the story was written pre-Rosa's-Goldie may have influenced dialoguer David Gerstein's choice here.

I'm not sure that's the reason: many pre-Rosa's stories contain references to Rosa in their American versions, including (like I said in my previous message) the last name O'Gilt appearing in the 2016 localization of a Scarpa story from 1966. It's more likely that David thought the surname was not needed in that story: after all, Rosa himself never used her surname in his post-1993 Goldie stories like "Hearts of the Yukon", "The Dream of a Lifetime" and "The Prisoner of White Agony Creek".

[drakeborough]

Jan 18, 2017 13:10:25 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

[...]

Following that DCML message thread leads to an entirely different but equally interesting topic to discuss: where does Grandma's first name, Elvira, actually come from? Adopting it for Life of Scrooge, Rosa says he got it from the non-Barks back-up story in WDC&S#121, but the aforementioned DCML discussion suggests that Italians were using it long before that, and Rosa, unaware of that, marveled at the fact that they picked it up from the same obscure story that he did.

[...]

May 6, 2017 12:05:09 GMT drakeborough said:

[...]

In the DCML discussion of January 2002 Luca Boschi mentioned that the name Elvira and the panel from the 1950 story using it appeared in his book "Walt Disney presenta Paperina e le altre" (February 1994). It's possible that the book said Elviry should be regarded as a diminutive/nickname for Elvira (because Boschi was aware of Rosa's work, or because Boschi decided it himself independently from Rosa), and the writer of the Italian story above may have been inspired by the book and/or by some article/character profile based on the book. I don't have access to the book so I can't say how is the panel from the 1950 story commented, or even which version of it is shown: the original version or the Italian version?

[..]

If I ever get hold of the book "Walt Disney presenta Paperina e le altre" I will update this part and tell you which version of the panel was used and how it was commented.

[...]

UPDATE: I got these images from the book "Walt Disney presenta Paperina e le altre":

The book does show the panel in question from the Grandma story published in WDC&S#121, and it's not the version published in Topolino #23, because "Elviry Duck" and "Oct" are kept in the original version. It may be from the version published in Capolavori Disney #7 (which by exclusion must be the only Italian version which kept "Elviry Duck" and "Oct"), and Boschi's DCML message suggests that since he said "It depends from the reprint of that old Riley Thom(p)son's story [...] into a book for collectors which come out in the early 90'es. I took that old panel and put in into a book ("Walt Disney presenta Paperina e le altre")". Capolavori Disney was a comic book title for collectors, and issue #7 came out in November 1992 (which fits the "early 90'es" reference), and I know that specific panel (though I am not sure about the whole story) is in black and white. Still, if the panel was taken from an Italian edition rather than from the original American edition I don't see the need to blank the dialogue.

Anyway, the article simply says the story gives GD the name Elviry Duck, without any consideration about the fact that Elviry is a nickname/diminutive for Elvira. There's no mention of Rosa having recently picked up that given name and also having given her the surname Coot (in fact, the article doesn't mention Rosa at all), which is normal, given that "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" wasn't even published until March 1994 (one month after the book); the family tree (Rosa's first use of the name Elvira) was first published in July 1993 in Denmark and Norway, but it's unlikely Boschi had a chance of seeing it before writing the article even if we assume that at the time the article had yet to be written (not to mention the Danish and Norwegian versions of the tree don't even have the name Elvira).

So, the claim that Italians picked up the name Elvira "long before" Rosa did is not true, but at the same time we can say that Boschi's article from a February 1994 book, pointing out how the 1950 story used the name "Elviry Duck", was written independently from the fact that Rosa had recently picked up that name.

And if we consider Italian stories rather than just articles, then as I said the first two stories (that I know of) to use the name Elvira are "Zio Paperone e le notizie... fraterne" (1996) and "Paperino e la corsa al best-seller" (1998). The latter is based on Rosa's stories/family tree (in fact, Cornelius Coot is said to be GD's grandfather), which by then had been published in Italy. The former predates the publication of most of Rosa's works in Italy (including "The Invader of Fort Duckburg" and the family tree) so it's unclear if the writer (Alessandro Sisti) was aware of Rosa's works even though they hadn't reached Italy yet, or if he picked the name up from the 1950 story and independently from Rosa decided to change Elviry into Elvira. If Sisti picked it up from the 1950 story it's possible (but not certain) that he was aware of that story because of Boschi's article and/or some other article/character profile based on it. At any rate, now we can say that the decision of changing Elviry into Elvira (in the hypothesis that Sisti made this decision rather that getting the name from Rosa) wasn't influenced by Boschi's article.

In the DCML Boschi wrote that after the publication of his book "that panel was reprinted into other newsstands' books and the name of Elviry become "common" among the italian story men". However, the cause and effect relationship is questionable: as I said, the first Italian use of the name in a story may or may not have taken it from Boschi's article, but as early as the second Italian use in a story the source was Rosa.

[Matilda]

I just ran across a very odd thing related to naming. In the German LTB Enten-Edition 40 "Goldrausch", there are three stories which according to Inducks include Goldie. In I TL 2715-1 (il vortice del tempo), she is called "Miss Nelly", the normal German name for Goldie. But in I TL 2164-2 (l'attaco nostalgico), she is called "Lauretta", and in I TL 1382-A (il nuovo vecchio filone), she is called "Pretty Sue" ("Pretty" being part of her name)! Only in the first of these is she in her performer's get-up. Shall I take it that the German translators didn't understand who the character was meant to be in the other two stories? I do think Inducks is right, and it's meant to be Goldie in all three stories. Those of you who have read the Italian originals could confirm this.

I can see how the translator would come up with "Lauretta" from the Italian name for Goldie, "Doretta"--avoiding "Doretta" because it's too close to the German first name for Grandma Duck-- but that would mean that the translator didn't know this is the Italian name for Goldie. That story was first published in German in 1998. The story where she's called "Pretty Sue" was first published in German in 1983.

[drakeborough]

May 23, 2017 4:10:17 GMT Matilda said:

I just ran across a very odd thing related to naming. In the German LTB Enten-Edition 40 "Goldrausch", there are three stories which according to Inducks include Goldie. In I TL 2715-1 (il vortice del tempo), she is called "Miss Nelly", the normal German name for Goldie. But in I TL 2164-2 (l'attaco nostalgico), she is called "Lauretta", and in I TL 1382-A (il nuovo vecchio filone), she is called "Pretty Sue" ("Pretty" being part of her name)! Only in the first of these is she in her performer's get-up. Shall I take it that the German translators didn't understand who the character was meant to be in the other two stories? I do think Inducks is right, and it's meant to be Goldie in all three stories. Those of you who have read the Italian originals could confirm this.

I can confirm that Inducks is right: in all three stories she is meant to be Goldie, and is called Doretta Doremì in the Italian versions. It's true that only in the first story she is in her performer's get-up (meaning it's easier to recognize her, even though the Italian colorist gave her red hair, something even the writer complained about), but in the third story her adult design is identical to what we see in "Back to the Klondike" (despite some inconsistency with that story), so the translator was not familiar with the Barks tale and with the character, or he/she would have recognized her. On the other hand, I can see why a translator could miss the connection with Goldie in the second story.

Unrelated to Goldie: we already discussed how the French name for Grandma Duck is something as weird as "Grand-mère Donald", and now I see that her Brazilian/Portuguese name is something similar: "Vovó Donalda" ("Grandma Donalda"):

Oh, I swear I chose the image above at random, but while I was on the story's page I found a "Grandma Hortensia" among the characters. According to Inducks, the character made here her second and last appearance. Here is a picture of her (who looks like Grandma Duck) while she is with baby Grandma:

Anyway, Donalda is regarded as GD's first name:

[Matilda]

May 23, 2017 7:45:52 GMT drakeborough said:

May 23, 2017 4:10:17 GMT Matilda said:

I just ran across a very odd thing related to naming. In the German LTB Enten-Edition 40 "Goldrausch", there are three stories which according to Inducks include Goldie. In I TL 2715-1 (il vortice del tempo), she is called "Miss Nelly", the normal German name for Goldie. But in I TL 2164-2 (l'attaco nostalgico), she is called "Lauretta", and in I TL 1382-A (il nuovo vecchio filone), she is called "Pretty Sue" ("Pretty" being part of her name)! Only in the first of these is she in her performer's get-up. Shall I take it that the German translators didn't understand who the character was meant to be in the other two stories? I do think Inducks is right, and it's meant to be Goldie in all three stories. Those of you who have read the Italian originals could confirm this.

I can confirm that Inducks is right: in all three stories she is meant to be Goldie, and is called Doretta Doremì in the Italian versions. It's true that only in the first story she is in her performer's get-up (meaning it's easier to recognize her, even though the Italian colorist gave her red hair, something even the writer complained about), but in the third story her adult design is identical to what we see in "Back to the Klondike" (despite some inconsistency with that story), so the translator was not familiar with the Barks tale and with the character, or he/she would have recognized her. On the other hand, I can see why a translator could miss the connection with Goldie in the second story.

Thanks for the confirmation that all three are indeed Goldie. I agree that in terms of character design, the one in the second story (l'attaco nostalgico) is farthest off-model, especially hair-wise. But she does have that scalloped shoulder-shawl-thingy (tippet?)...and she has an adult "pet" bear! (Though it's colored white here, the colorist apparently believing we're in the Arctic.)

Anyway, I'm not that surprised that a translator in the 1980's would not figure out the identity of the woman in Scrooge's Yukon past. But I am pretty surprised that when this LTB was put together, in 2013 !!, no one figured out the discrepancy and fixed the names to make all three "Miss Nelly." Especially given that the whole point of the "Goldrausch" collection was to showcase Scrooge's prospecting past.

Oh, and in this printing also, Goldie in the "vortice del tempo" story has bright red hair. So that coloring mistake was carried over from the original Italian printing into the German printings, and was not corrected for this LTB reprint. So much for the whole symbolic meaning of her golden hair! ("Glittering Ruby"?)

Still, I'm glad to have these three Goldie stories in one volume. I just ordered Picsou 418, which has two more Goldie stories I haven't seen. (We'll see whether she's called by the same name in both of them!)

[drakeborough]

May 23, 2017 14:53:19 GMT Matilda said:

Thanks for the confirmation that all three are indeed Goldie. I agree that in terms of character design, the one in the second story (l'attaco nostalgico) is farthest off-model, especially hair-wise. But she does have that scalloped shoulder-shawl-thingy (tippet?)...and she has an adult "pet" bear! (Though it's colored white here, the colorist apparently believing we're in the Arctic.)

Anyway, I'm not that surprised that a translator in the 1980's would not figure out the identity of the woman in Scrooge's Yukon past. But I am pretty surprised that when this LTB was put together, in 2013 !!, no one figured out the discrepancy and fixed the names to make all three "Miss Nelly." Especially given that the whole point of the "Goldrausch" collection was to showcase Scrooge's prospecting past.

Oh, and in this printing also, Goldie in the "vortice del tempo" story has bright red hair. So that coloring mistake was carried over from the original Italian printing into the German printings, and was not corrected for this LTB reprint. So much for the whole symbolic meaning of her golden hair! ("Glittering Ruby"?)

Still, I'm glad to have these three Goldie stories in one volume. I just ordered Picsou 418, which has two more Goldie stories I haven't seen. (We'll see whether she's called by the same name in both of them!)

I am not an expert on animals so I don't know if the coloring for the bear is right or wrong, but it's worth noting that Inducks is wrong in listing the bear as Blackjack: in addition of looking different and having a different name, there's the fact that Blackjack wasn't even born yet during Scrooge's and Goldie's youth.

And speaking about wrong colors for Goldie's hair: in an Italian story from three months ago Goldie appears both in the present and in the past, and the colorist gave her gray hair in both phases of her life.

Another thing: how did the German translator handle the part in "l'attaco nostalgico" where Mickey travels from Mouseton to Duckburg in order to meet Scrooge? If I remember correctly, German comics have Mickey live in Duckburg.

[Matilda]

May 23, 2017 15:53:29 GMT drakeborough said:

Another thing: how did the German translator handle the part in "l'attaco nostalgico" where Mickey travels from Mouseton to Duckburg in order to meet Scrooge? If I remember correctly, German comics have Mickey live in Duckburg.

On page six, first panel:
Mickey: I haven't been in this part of Duckburg for ages.
Sign reads: Welcome to the Business Center of Duckburg!

second panel:
Mickey: Everything is still exactly as before.
Policeman: Oh, hello, Mister Mouse!

Fairly lame, but I suppose it's the best they could do under the circs.

p.s. I note with sad amusement that GoogleTranslate translates "Entenhausen" into Italian as "Paperoli," but doesn't know to translate it into English as "Duckburg."

[Scrooge MacDuck]

May 23, 2017 16:53:06 GMT Matilda said:

p.s. I note with sad amusement that GoogleTranslate translates "Entenhausen" into Italian as "Paperoli," but doesn't know to translate it into English as "Duckburg."

Yeah… For whatever reason, trying to translate Uncle Scrooge into French sometimes gives off "Zio Paperone".

[drakeborough]

May 23, 2017 16:53:06 GMT Matilda said:

May 23, 2017 15:53:29 GMT drakeborough said:

Another thing: how did the German translator handle the part in "l'attaco nostalgico" where Mickey travels from Mouseton to Duckburg in order to meet Scrooge? If I remember correctly, German comics have Mickey live in Duckburg.

On page six, first panel:
Mickey: I haven't been in this part of Duckburg for ages.
Sign reads: Welcome to the Business Center of Duckburg!

second panel:
Mickey: Everything is still exactly as before.
Policeman: Oh, hello, Mister Mouse!

Fairly lame, but I suppose it's the best they could do under the circs.

p.s. I note with sad amusement that GoogleTranslate translates "Entenhausen" into Italian as "Paperoli," but doesn't know to translate it into English as "Duckburg."

Thanks for the info. I agree with you that it's lame, but I don't see other ways they could have handled the issue without confusing Germans readers who have been reading for decades that Mickey lives in Duckburg. I don't have the story on hand now, but I think the original version has the sign simply saying the equivalent to "Welcome to Duckburg", while I can't recall Mickey's lines.

In a way, this is similar to what happens when Mickey's foreign stories, produced in countries that have him live in Duckburg, are localized in Italy: the city is changed to Mouseton. Here is an example from a D-coded story that mentions Andeby ("Duckburg"):

In the Italian edition, the name was changed to Topolinia ("Mouseton"):

By the way, I read on Wikipedia that "The Egmont tradition extends to the German Disney comics of Ehapa, although the German comics have mentioned possible equivalents of Mouseton as neighboring towns or villages: Mausdorf (German for "mouse village") and Mäuslingen (German equivalent to "Mouseville")." However, there is no info about where and how the names Mausdorf and Mäuslingen were used.

Oh, and if GoogleTranslate translates "Entenhausen" as "Paperoli", then it does it wrong because in Italy Duckburg is known as "Paperopoli".

[Matilda]

May 23, 2017 18:59:29 GMT drakeborough said:

<abbr title="May 23, 2017 14:59:29 GMT -4" class="o-timestamp time" data-timestamp="1495565969000">May 23, 2017 14:59:29 GMT -4</abbr> deborough said:If GoogleTranslate translates "Entenhausen" as "Paperoli", then it does it wrong because in Italy Duckburg is known as "Paperopoli".

Nope, my typo.