Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Feb 21, 2017 15:43:26 GMT
What's the story behind the first page of "The Golden Birds" in IDW's Uncle Scrooge #22? It looks like a hastily slapped-on, expositive recap page, with art that appears much cruder than the rest of the story. Is there a first part to this story that wasn't discussed?
"Obedience" reminds me a lot of, and was probably inspired by, Rosa's Forget It. Rosa's effort is far superior, of course (and IMHO one of the funniest comic book stories of all time), but the art in this story is pretty good.
Post by Monkey_Feyerabend on Feb 21, 2017 16:14:17 GMT
Uh, by chance I read "Obedience" (in French) just a few days ago.
The beginning sounded kind of cliché, and I was a bit annoyed by the didactic tone (I do not know if it is the right word, in Italian we say "didascalic", meaning that the characters are describing you what is happening in the panel far beyond what would be necessary). But when I got into the dynamics of the battle between Scrooge and Magica I had a couple of very good laughs. And in the end the didactic tone itself is inevitable within this tricky kind of stories. So I found it a good story. Six pages that do their job (and I appreciate that they did not try to make it longer, at the risk of destroying the good staging of the gags). I did not know the author. Has he done other good stories like this one? I must say that the Finnish writers often surprise me (for being a bit above the average quality of Egmont authors).
I agree with Baar Baar: to me Forget It and its cousin story A Problem of Some Gravity are some of the most amazing stuff I have seen in humor comics, maybe the top of Rosa's career (but I have not read all his material, so that opinion could change!).
What's the story behind the first page of "The Golden Birds" in IDW's Uncle Scrooge #22? It looks like a hastily slapped-on, expositive recap page, with art that appears much cruder than the rest of the story. Is there a first part to this story that wasn't discussed?
"Obedience" reminds me a lot of, and was probably inspired by, Rosa's Forget It. Rosa's effort is far superior, of course (and IMHO one of the funniest comic book stories of all time), but the art in this story is pretty good.
The dialogues and the bottom half of the first page were lost. Luca Boschi wrote the dialogues and drew the lost part, that's why it looks so different (and not good).
What's the story behind the first page of "The Golden Birds" in IDW's Uncle Scrooge #22? It looks like a hastily slapped-on, expositive recap page, with art that appears much cruder than the rest of the story. Is there a first part to this story that wasn't discussed?
"Obedience" reminds me a lot of, and was probably inspired by, Rosa's Forget It. Rosa's effort is far superior, of course (and IMHO one of the funniest comic book stories of all time), but the art in this story is pretty good.
The dialogues and the bottom half of the first page were lost. Luca Boschi wrote the dialogues and drew the lost part, that's why it looks so different (and not good).
Its a forgotten S-coded story from 1985 unearthed by David Gerstein. It must have been quite a challenge for Luca Boschi to make sense out of it but I wonder why they didn't get someone else to draw the missing half page
Uh, by chance I read "Obedience" (in French) just a few days ago.
The beginning sounded kind of cliché, and I was a bit annoyed by the didactic tone (I do not know if it is the right word, in Italian we say "didascalic", meaning that the characters are describing you what is happening in the panel far beyond what would be necessary). But when I got into the dynamics of the battle between Scrooge and Magica I had a couple of very good laughs. And in the end the didactic tone itself is inevitable within this tricky kind of stories. So I found it a good story. Six pages that do their job (and I appreciate that they did not try to make it longer, at the risk of destroying the good staging of the gags). I did not know the author. Has he done other good stories like this one? I must say that the Finnish writers often surprise me (for being a bit above the average quality of Egmont authors).
I agree with Baar Baar: to me Forget It and its cousin story A Problem of Some Gravity are some of the most amazing stuff I have seen in humor comics, maybe the top of Rosa's career (but I have not read all his material, so that opinion could change!).
Its a forgotten S-coded story from 1985 unearthed by David Gerstein. It must have been quite a challenge for Luca Boschi to make sense out of it [...]
Well, Luca Boschi and Alberto Becattini did talk at length with Scarpa, when he was alive, about some of his then-lost stories. That was the key to understanding the plots of them when we eventually recovered some.
It seems S-coded stories were sent out in to publishers in large groups, typically several years after production started on each one. Some mid- to late-1980s Scarpa S-codes didn't get sent out at the time, and Scarpa either didn't keep copies or lost what he had. These included the following, all of which surfaced within the last twelve years:
• Donald Duck and the Mysterious Object (first two pages missing) • Goofy: Don't Worry About It (later recoded as an Egmont story; published in the USA at Boom) • Grandma Duck: Grandma's Watchtoad • Mickey Mouse and the Photonic Muffler (published at Gemstone) • Uncle Scrooge: Stinker, Tailor, Scrooge and Sly (published at IDW) • Uncle Scrooge: The Golden Birds (published at IDW)
A few more listed in Scarpa's records haven't been found yet, or only a couple pages are thus far known:
• Donald Duck: The Dating Game • Donald Duck [10-page Beagle Boy-themed story] • Mickey Mouse and the Infuse of Chika-Chika • Uncle Scrooge [10-page Brigitta-themed story]
We never know when more will surface. That said, the three that I found myself ("Mysterious Object," "Photonic Muffler," "Golden Birds") were located in a very meticulous search; there didn't seem to be any others stored in that specific location (one of the old Publications offices, which I plumbed in 2006 and 2008).
Its a forgotten S-coded story from 1985 unearthed by David Gerstein. It must have been quite a challenge for Luca Boschi to make sense out of it [...]
Well, Luca Boschi and Alberto Becattini did talk at length with Scarpa, when he was alive, about some of his then-lost stories. That was the key to understanding the plots of them when we eventually recovered some.
It seems S-coded stories were sent out in to publishers in large groups, typically several years after production started on each one. Some mid- to late-1980s Scarpa S-codes didn't get sent out at the time, and Scarpa either didn't keep copies or lost what he had. These included the following, all of which surfaced within the last twelve years:
• Donald Duck and the Mysterious Object (first two pages missing) • Goofy: Don't Worry About It (later recoded as an Egmont story; published in the USA at Boom) • Grandma Duck: Grandma's Watchtoad • Mickey Mouse and the Photonic Muffler (published at Gemstone) • Uncle Scrooge: Stinker, Tailor, Scrooge and Sly (published at IDW) • Uncle Scrooge: The Golden Birds (published at IDW)
A few more listed in Scarpa's records haven't been found yet, or only a couple pages are thus far known:
• Donald Duck: The Dating Game • Donald Duck [10-page Beagle Boy-themed story] • Mickey Mouse and the Infuse of Chika-Chika • Uncle Scrooge [10-page Brigitta-themed story]
We never know when more will surface. That said, the three that I found myself ("Mysterious Object," "Photonic Muffler," "Golden Birds") were located in a very meticulous search; there didn't seem to be any others stored in that specific location (one of the old Publications offices, which I plumbed in 2006 and 2008).
Thanks for sharing such valuable information, it must have been really exciting to take part in a real life treasure hunt and uncover such lost gems by a Disney master! I did read all 4 stories from the list above that were published by Boom, Gemstone and IDW. Let's hope that more will surface soon!
The real gem of that issue was Uncle Scrooge Goes Medieval, which was a very lively Beagle Boys vs Uncle Scrooge story.
I don't know, I've never been a fan of Vicar's art, making it hard for me to really get into any story he's drawn. I find his work serviceable but unexciting. Disney Comics Inc., under Bob Foster, really overused his stories (especially in the beginning), to the point where I still tend to "tune out" whenever I see his art.
The real gem of that issue was Uncle Scrooge Goes Medieval, which was a very lively Beagle Boys vs Uncle Scrooge story.
I don't know, I've never been a fan of Vicar's art, making it hard for me to really get into any story he's drawn. I find his work serviceable but unexciting. Disney Comics Inc., under Bob Foster, really overused his stories (especially in the beginning), to the point where I still tend to "tune out" whenever I see his art.
I think I must be an exception to the rule when it comes to Vicar. He is one of my absolute favorite Disney artists of all-time! His art (to me) makes a so-so story much more enjoyable. I wish more of his work had been printed by IDW so far, but I am glad it looks like we are finally going to get some more of his work.
While Vicar has a style all his own, it seems quite Barks like to me. I especially love stories in which he uses a panel that takes up half of a page. A neat thing is that even though Vicar has died, he was so prolific that there are literally *hundreds* of his stories that have never been printed in North America. So lets get a move on IDW
Are there any other Vicar fans here, or am I in the distinct majority? I am curious what others think.
I put Vicar as #5 on my "top five artists" list. As I said, he did so much that some of it is bound to be mediocre. And like anyone's, his art is better suited to some subjects than to others. I love his distinctive bears! I can't always identify a Vicar Duck, but I could tell a Vicar bear anywhere. More seriously, he often is terrific at scenes of crowds or chaotic activity. I'm thinking here of David Gerstein's "Pioneer Daze" and Gail Renard & Unn Printz-Pahlson's "Out of Sight" (that one has a bear, too!). On the Disney Comics Forum, one fan (I believe, Pan Milus) said when he met Vicar he told him he particularly liked the art in "Party of None!" and Vicar responded that he especially liked that story, too. That one has a great Gyro gadget. Another random story comes to mind: in Janet Gilbert's "Young Man Winter", I love how Vicar imagined the cave home of Old Man Winter. The furniture, the knickknacks, the weather-control machine: all very memorable, and as you say, it lifts the whole story to another level.
I don't know, I've never been a fan of Vicar's art, making it hard for me to really get into any story he's drawn. I find his work serviceable but unexciting. Disney Comics Inc., under Bob Foster, really overused his stories (especially in the beginning), to the point where I still tend to "tune out" whenever I see his art.
I think I must be an exception to the rule when it comes to Vicar. He is one of my absolute favorite Disney artists of all-time! His art (to me) makes a so-so story much more enjoyable. I wish more of his work had been printed by IDW so far, but I am glad it looks like we are finally going to get some more of his work.
While Vicar has a style all his own, it seems quite Barks like to me. I especially love stories in which he uses a panel that takes up half of a page. A neat thing is that even though Vicar has died, he was so prolific that there are literally *hundreds* of his stories that have never been printed in North America. So lets get a move on IDW
Are there any other Vicar fans here, or am I in the distinct majority? I am curious what others think.
I like Vicar stories too! Hs Donald/Scrooge/Daisy stories were very common in the magazines I've read as a kid, so he was for me the true "classic" Duck artist. (as in, the "main" one) Of course, it's not like I love his stuff, his work tends to be "serviceable but unexciting" as Baar said. But I have strong attachment to what he does and there are some gems here.
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I think I must be an exception to the rule when it comes to Vicar. He is one of my absolute favorite Disney artists of all-time! His art (to me) makes a so-so story much more enjoyable. I wish more of his work had been printed by IDW so far, but I am glad it looks like we are finally going to get some more of his work.
While Vicar has a style all his own, it seems quite Barks like to me. I especially love stories in which he uses a panel that takes up half of a page. A neat thing is that even though Vicar has died, he was so prolific that there are literally *hundreds* of his stories that have never been printed in North America. So lets get a move on IDW
Are there any other Vicar fans here, or am I in the distinct majority? I am curious what others think.
I like Vicar stories too! Hs Donald/Scrooge/Daisy stories were very common in the magazines I've read as a kid, so he was for me the true "classic" Duck artist. (as in, the "main" one) Of course, it's not like I love his stuff, his work tends to be "serviceable but unexciting" as Baar said. But I have strong attachment to what he does and there are some gems here.
Glad to hear from other Vicar fans. I have to disagree though with Baar and Orora -- I find his art to be *far* more than "servicable" and *very* exciting! His drawings of the Disney Duck character seem full of energy and movement. Also, I find his art to be crisp, clear, and clean.
Like a few other celebrated Egmont artists, it's just generally not my cup of tea. Feels like trying to do Barks, but no-one can do Barks as well as Barks, so feels like it falls short. Dunno.
His non-Disney stuff looks great to me though, so it's a Paul Murry situation.