Well, the Caballeros episode was about Lucha libre (mexican wrestling tradition) and this so far look more like WWE (show with fake over-the-top personas and back-stories for the wrteslters and clear villains/good guys set up)... but I'm no specialist, so maybe some one well more knowledgeable in the ways of wrestiling will point out they are mostly the same thing.
AFAIK, lucha libre is much more fast-paced, and the audience interacts more with the wrestlers -- antagonizing them, that is. The whole thing is staged, like American wrestling, but actual injuries are common. There are also archetypes, the main two of which are the rudos (bigger and brutish, stereotypicall "bad") and the técnicos (smaller-sized and more atheltic, stereotypically "good"). While American wrestling is mostly attended by men, women attending lucha libre matches are very common.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on May 9, 2020 15:53:17 GMT
Wow, "The Rumble for Ragnarok!" is probably the first episode of this show I did not enjoy at all. Even within the whimsical, surreal world of DuckTales '17, this episode made no sense to me and felt very out-of-place. I'm not a wrestling fan, and the continuous violence and child endangerment (which usually doesn't bother me) was very off-putting. There wasn't even a line that made me laugh. The animation was good as always, but that's the only positive thing I can say about it.
Are we at another hiatus now? We never got the episode with the Wuzzles.
Well... I did like the design of godess of death and her wolf and there was a line or two that I found amusing.... which I don't remember so that's saying something.
Yhe, I didn't cared for this epsiode as well.
I woudn't mind them doing entire wrestling themed episode... I'm not much of a fan but I sort of respect it's "art" as type of overblown stunt show (some WWE wrestler personas are very amusing to watch). Even the idea of combining it with Norse Mythology had a spark of idea to it...
But the execution...? Shesh!
I do think few things made this episode bad :
1) The nephews personalities felt more caricatures of themselves then usual (as TV TROPES likes to put it - "Flanderization") Out side of being annoying, I simply don't buy their motivations (Why would Huey cared so much about not knowing about wrestling?) Scrooge also was taken to exteme... it's one thing for him to be some type of savior but just the randomness of him buying into his wrestling persona as "the villian" dosen't work in the context of what's going on. Combine all of this with over-the-top premise and this episodes looses any reletability. It's a hat on a hat if I ever seen one. For the same reason the moral dosen't work as well.
2) 90% of the episode takes place in... well, one place and is one fight scene after another and you feel monotony very fast. What works in 7 minute Popeye short dosen't work as a 22 minutes Duck Tales episdes... and even then a Popeye short would had more creativity to the violence and known how to make it look fun, which bring me to the next point...
3) As Baar Baar Jinx pointed out - it's take a lot of fun from watching fights when the characters geting injure are kids (I'm also not crazy about the idea of the kids being able to fight this good... .. but ok, it's a cartoon I will roll with that... ) It was to off to be a fun "rumble" as the creators intended.
I also mised explenation how Mrs. Beakley got there and I think the kids watching the show will be extra confused by all the wrestling archetypes and (I guess) satire.
...and I guess the animation team didn't cared that much for the episode as well seing some the errors :
This episode would work better if there was build up to a fight for the first half and the would save it for the climax of the episode or at least second half... But there was so much wrong with this one I would take an 100% re-write to save this episode. One of my least favorite.
(also, I wondered if the reversed ray was going to turn Scrooge into a non-anthropomorphic duck. Thank goodness that wasn't the case; would have really messed things up.)
Heh! I do think that would be funny if that's what they going for. At the same time, It would be pretty much the plot of "Zootopia"....
Reminds me of this illustration. Can't you just picture this cover gracing an issue of a comic containing a Rosa story where Magica uses a de-anthropomorphizing spell to steal Scrooge's Number One Dime?
That's where the episode lost me, and I was ready to take it easier than Bar Bar Jinx and Pan. I'll get there; I was planning on writing my thoughts on all the last six episodes in order, but I realized it was taking it too long and my access to a computer is limited, so I'm posting my thoughts on the ill-received "Rumble for Ragnarok" first and saving the other five for later...
I didn't mind the crazy premise, and even the execution wasn't that bad at first... the idea that a whole civilization considers the Apocalypse to be a glorious event because it's giving everyone on Earth a chance to have a honorable death is an interesting case of Values Dissonance in-universe (I'm not sure about how the younglings and babies qualify in that scenario, but still). I'm not much of a wrestling enthusiastic, but I'm familiar enough with its elements that I could enjoy the WWE references.
The first problem, the violence involving kids... the show often gets away with child endangerment when it's clever enough to make sure it's not taken too seriously. Usually when the kids fight, the sequences don't allow the audience to see them get hurt; even in the more vicious fight between Webby and Black Heron in Season 1, it was tempered by the fact that they were under effect of a bouncing-inducing formula and Webby isn't beat up that badly. A combination of fanciful elements and toning down the explicit violence when it's against the kids helped them get away with those scenes. Here, it's grown up warriors hitting and tossing around tiny, skinny kid characters on-screen, in a wrestling match. Even the fantastic elements don't serve to temper the scenario.
As Pan ponts out, the fighting scenes take much of the screen time, which can quickly become tiresome. In fact, my favorite parts were outside of them, especially those envolving Huey, Louie and Launchpad, and I have to admit, I liked their interactions here: Huey's being stressed over failing something he already earned a merit badge for is totally in-character; this is the kid who freaked out at losing his abiity in sewing, so the idea of not living up to his merit badge for sports commentary, even if it's for covering a sport he doesn't particularly care for, makes perfect sense. Extra when it envolvs a lot of improvising, and as shown in "Nightmare on Killmottor Hill", Huey's "not good at imagination stuff". Louie was my favorite part, though; the character development from last season is more visible here, where he starts the episode looking indifferent to the challenge of the week and exploring the bad publicity against his uncle for a shirt business, but then he's the one to remember that it's the destiny of the world we're talking about. At first, it's just another adventure he's not that invested in, but when things become more threatening, he's the one who reminds everyone of the right priorities. And the writers seem to have realized that he might come off unsympathetic at first exploring their sour reputations, so he's also the one to pep talk to his brothers and help them put themselves together when everything seems lost. Plus, I got the feeling that Scrooge would approve of his business: not only does he take advantage of a profitable demand, it also helps sell Scrooge's publicity as the heel for the people of Valhalla.
Where the episode lost me was with Dewey. Now, I didn't mind him that much in this season so far, mostly because he wasn't hogging the spotlight or distracting us from other characters, even when he gets all the attention for his yo-yo "skills" in Louie's Eleven. But in this case, I saw it as a missed opportunity to teach him a much needed lesson.
Dewey wants be part of the challenge so he can get approval and praise, and has a breakdown when he realizes they're supposed to play the heel, who's always booed and dissed. Now there was foreshadowing in Quack Pack to the fact that disapproval always makes a huge blow to his glory-hound ego, and I think it was something I think he had to go through, so he can learn that it's not always about getting praise and cheers, because if there's one character who need to learn that, it's definitely him. Thing is, when he seems to be ready to embrace that lesson and ignore the booing and disapproval, a deus ex machina causes the crowd to turn against the "Humble" and root for Dewey, and when he wins, he still gets all the cheering and praise he wanted anyway.
Now compare this to Huey's arc in the Season Premiere; I realized that he was going to lose, and it was necessary for him to go through it, not because I wanted him to suffer and pay for his attitude, but because he needed to learn to accepts defeat and failing with dignity, and the payoff was palpable. When it comes to Dewey, he doesn't have to challenge his goals in the end, he still gets what he wants; one can barely say that he learned his lesson. I could still accept him saving the day and being the hero if he still had to endure the crowd's negative reception, but no, he still gets all the praise and glory, and doesn't really have to challenge his contestable priorities.
It's ironic how, for a show that adressed the dangers of creating a spoiled brat with Doofus (albeit with questionable results), it doesn't seem to realize that it's basically spoiling Dewey and keeping him from maturing. I usually don't mind it that much, but in this case, they wasted the chance to teach him a much needed lesson.
Stray thoughts: I wonder what the vultures would think if they find that Scrooge's been keeping the Earth safe from the Apocalypse, seeing how what caused them to target him and his family was that their adventures had almost caused the destruction of the planet.
Launchpad's wrestling persona is fitting, seeing how he's the trope codifier for Captain Crash; it also reminds me of his name in Portuguese, Captain Boing. I also liked Mrs. Beakley's viking outfit, a nice reference to one of her best moments in the original series(even if, admittedly, her arrival came out of nowhere. Din LP take a break to fly back home and bring her in time?). I also liked Webby's adorable samck talk (I'm guessing he learned it with Lena).
Maybe I shouldn't nitpick at it but how come the people of Valhalla, who died thousands of years ago, have modern money to buy Louie's shirts?