Post by alquackskey on Dec 25, 2020 1:18:53 GMT
Then they have Beakley criticize him for talking back to Della... it's a complete joke. Beakley of all people doesn't care that he nearly got everyone killed, but talk back to his mom? "SEE HERE YOUNG MAN!"
"Partially on Louie too" - I try to stay fairly neutral on things, but HARD disagree on that one.
You cannot blame a child for not bonding with a new parental figure - especially one that has only been in his life for a short amount of time. I can understand the idea of not wanting to pressure him, but that's in no way his fault.
Della is making an entrance into his life. If he's not okay with that, or if he doesn't take to her as quickly as the others do, there's nothing she can do about it. The way the show is structured, there's barely any time for healthy dynamics to develop, and certainly not enough time for her to be an authority figure in his life.
Then there's something that I forgot, but I despise - "If you want to be a part of this family, you've got to stop."
Now, my actual response to this wouldn't make it through censorship, so I'll phrase it differently - That is a repugnant thing to say, and is certainly not appropriate for ANY parent to say to a child. Plus, she disappeared from the family from ten years. This specific phrasing is extremely toxic - to a child, that easily carries the implication of 'you'll be removed from the family if you keep up with this behaviour'. I could easily just see it as poor phrasing on Della's part, but that kind of phrasing is often used by emotional abusers, and is NOT okay. Not to mention, from Louie's perspective, it's another situation of someone who he barely knows dictating what's okay without establishing enough of a connection with him to justify that - only this time, it's dictating his place in the family.
Given how Della proceeded to stop Beakley before she yelled at Louie, Della likely knew Louie had a point. duckman87 honestly sums that moment up a bit better than I can.
I wasn't trying to claim Louie is a bad person for not opening up to his mom, I don't blame him for that. I was only trying to put some neutral logic.
And now we reach THAT infamous line in the argument which really caused a tizzy. Personally, I don't think she was trying to sound as emotionally bad as she did. The best way to see this is that Della doesn't want Louie to end up having the same mistakes and regrets as her where she herself was out of the family for years and a way to interpret is "My own schemes cost me my family and kicked me out of it and I don't want you going down that same hole I did". And on the happier side, they do bond in Moonvasion, Quack Pack (where they were planning their own scheme in the beginning of the episode), and Escape from the Impossibin so at least that was there.
Someone on tumblr did make posts on how to sorta modify the second half of season 2 with the big one being on how to fix Della's story a bit which can be read here: throwawayzoo.tumblr.com/tagged/fix-it-au Let me know if you like that person's modification on the plots?
Either that or the fact that she didn't want Beakley undercutting her - it's hard to be seen as an authority figure if you let someone else do the reprimanding for you, after all.
I don't really see much to indicate her acknowledging Louie having a point; she looks off to the side, clearly upset. Then she gives Louie an angry look. Then Beakley goes to reprimand him and she stops her, before continuing on and grounding him.
To me, it comes across as "I'm the adult here, you behave yourself."
I wasn't intending to imply that you thought Louie to be a bad person, so apologies if it came across as such.
I get wanting to see things from a neutral standpoint, but I feel like it's a situation where Della's near completely at fault. In situations like these, it's down to the adult to take responsibility - I feel it does a better job at showcasing that she's not really ready to be a parent than it does to show her as a good one, honestly.
My biggest issue is that this is something that needs to be seen from a child's perspective.
As an audience, we can easily speculate on Della's intentions and look at things from her viewpoint - Louie's not in a position to do the same.
I agree with the idea that she didn't intend it to mean that he would actually be ostracized or anything, and I'd also agree with your interpretation of what she meant - but that means nothing to Louie.
He is a child. If she's really going to be a parent to him, she needs to be careful in how she speaks to her children - accidental or not, that kind of dialogue can be seriously damaging to a child. There are any number of ways that that can be taken - "If you're bad, you'll be kicked out." "I won't love you if you misbehave." "You're a bad person, and we'll only love you if you change."
That may come across as hyperbolic, but it would be very easy for someone Louie's age to pick it up that way. This is the kind of conversation where you NEED to be present with the child - a prerecorded message doesn't cut it. If she wanted to be responsible, she could easily have stayed behind and actually talked to him.
I can't say much for Season 3 (Gotta love distribution rights) but yeah, she was doing a decent job in Moonvasion.
Overall I think it's pretty solid - there are a few bits here and there I disagree with, and I'd question some of the more specific dialogue changes, but overall it's pretty good.
I'd still take issue overall because the show has concepts that I fundamentally disagree with, so even with rewrites like these, it wouldn't be fixed.
Still, for what it is, it's pretty solid and internally consistent.
VERY minor complaint though, but I've reached a strange point where I'd almost be sad to lose the Bigtime plot in Golden Armory - I know that it's an example of basically everything I've complained about, it adds absolutely nothing to the show as a whole, and it's utter nonsense... but I also can't deny that it made me laugh. I'd accept it being replaced with more important stuff, but I'm weirdly glad that we got it, if that makes sense? Not relevant to any of this so I won't say much on it, but yeah, I have a place in my heart for Bugtime... kinda wished he stayed that way, tbh.
Also, don't know what timezone you're operating on, but Merry Christmas to you!