Ducktales 2017

[Monkey_Feyerabend]

Aug 15, 2017 2:26:06 GMT squeakyboots said:

Aug 14, 2017 14:10:19 GMT Monkey_Feyerabend said:

* Speaking of Mickey, at this point I hope that in future seasons Disney will remove the ban from using Mickey Mouse in Ducktales. Because I am pretty sure that these writers could arrange a cool cameo of a Gottfredson-like Mickey. (As you may know, the new DuckTales team has declared that they are authorized to use any character from all the historical animation and comics material as long as the mouse does not appear.)

I wonder if they would be able to at least namedrop Mouseton since Spoonerville, St. Canard and Cape Suzette have all been mentioned already.

I would love that! Also, I hope that Spoonerville remains just an easter-egg for tv Disney animation fans, and nothing more. Because Goofy and Pete from Goof Troop are highly non-canonical to me. I am ok with the existence of that series - and I watched it a lot when I was a kid! - just because Goofy and Pete have always been used as 'avatar' in Disney animation, resettable in every new situation. But what would be the sense of namedropping Mouseton, if Goofy and Pete are good family fathers leaving in Spoonerville and Mickey cannot be named? Mouseton as 'the city were Horace Horsecollar lives'? Whatever. 

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Mouseton would be an obvious choice; far more fitting than Spoonerville or TaleSpin references (honestly, I can't imagine how TaleSpin could ever coexist with the Duck universe, the very concept is mindboggling). I agree that Goofy and Pete on Goof Troop can only be playing roles, there's no way to reconcile that show with anything in the comics. Mickey may not "appear" on this show or be mentioned by name (nor should he in my opinion), but there's no reason I can see not to tease his existence in a roundabout fashion (it's be fanservice of course, but only comic aficionados would understand the true significance of Mickey's now-widely-accepted hometown actually being spoken  in animation for the first time). Mickey does not "exist" in the same universe that Duckburg does in my comics-based view of things, but then DuckTales '17 was always destined to be an alternate universe, given its deviations from my Barks/Rosa based headcanon.

Also, Beakly refers to Scrooge in the DuckTales '17 pilot as as HD&L's "great-uncle". Hard to believe a slip like that could make it past the writers, since for the most part they seem to be following the unpublished Barks tree.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 16, 2017 13:37:09 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Mouseton would be an obvious choice; far more fitting than Spoonerville or TaleSpin references (honestly, I can't imagine how TaleSpin could ever coexist with the Duck universe, the very concept is mindboggling).

Also, Beakly refers to Scrooge in the DuckTales '17 pilot as as HD&L's "great-uncle". Hard to believe a slip like that could make it past the writers, since for the most part they seem to be following the unpublished Barks tree.

• I don't see the problem with TaleSpin being part of the same continuity. The Legend of the Chaos God story arc already did have it cross over with the old DuckTales, no?

• I'm not seeing the mistake. I seem to recall a quote they were using the Rosa tree as their basis (even though the designs of Quackmore and Hortense do seem to be Worden-inspired), but even if you are correct, why wouldn't Scrooge be HDL's great-uncle? If they are Della's kids and Della was Scrooge's niece, of course he'd be their great-uncle, no?

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Aug 16, 2017 13:44:40 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

• I don't see the problem with TaleSpin being part of the same continuity. The Legend of the Chaos God story arc already did have it cross over with the old DuckTales, no?

• I'm not seeing the mistake. I seem to recall a quote they were using the Rosa tree as their basis (even though the designs of Quackmore and Hortense do seem to be Worden-inspired), but even if you are correct, why wouldn't Scrooge be HDL's great-uncle? If they are Della's kids and Della was Scrooge's niece, of course he'd be their great-uncle, no?

As to "Legend of the Chaos God", yes, but Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers, in their MEAS-3 forms, usually living in a human populated world where they are clearly "animals", are there, too. I don't care about Disney Afternoon properties in general and view them as separate from the comics universe, but even then, mixing characters from a Barks-inspired Duck universe (DuckTales '87) with characters from The Jungle Book (though, admittedly in very different roles) seems dirty, somehow.

If Scrooge is the uncle of HD&L's mother, then he's their granduncle. As far as I know, "great-uncle" means a generation older (mother's uncle's uncle).

EDIT: Okay, Google tells me that "ganduncle" and "great-uncle" are often used synonymously. I've always thought "great-uncle" was short for "great granduncle," with the appropriate number of "greats" added as you go up generations, but perhaps that's a local thing.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 16, 2017 13:52:25 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Aug 16, 2017 13:44:40 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

• I don't see the problem with TaleSpin being part of the same continuity. The Legend of the Chaos God story arc already did have it cross over with the old DuckTales, no?

• I'm not seeing the mistake. I seem to recall a quote they were using the Rosa tree as their basis (even though the designs of Quackmore and Hortense do seem to be Worden-inspired), but even if you are correct, why wouldn't Scrooge be HDL's great-uncle? If they are Della's kids and Della was Scrooge's niece, of course he'd be their great-uncle, no?

As to "Legend of the Chaos God", yes, but Chip N Dale Rescue Rangers, in their MEAS-3 forms, usually living in a human populated world where they are clearly "animals", are there, too. I don't care about Disney Afternoon properties in general and view them as separate from the comics universe, but even then, mixing characters from a Barks-inspired Duck universe (DuckTales '87) with characters from The Jungle Book (though, admittedly in very different roles) seems dirty, somehow.

If Scrooge is the uncle of HD&L's mother, then he's their granduncle. As far as I know, "great-uncle" means a generation older (mother's uncle's uncle).

EDIT: Okay, Google tells me that "ganduncle" and "great-uncle" are often used synonymously. I've always thought "great-uncle" was short for "great granduncle," with the appropriate number of "greats" added as you go up generations, but perhaps that's a local thing. (1)

Yup, it is. In fact, as far as I know, Scrooge has always been referred to as the triplets' great-uncle. Never once have I seen him called their granduncle. 

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Hey. Something of (highly amusing) interest:



(If you can't tell, it's supposed to be Louie's graffiti done at some point after the first episode's events.

[Pan Maciej]

WHAT?

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 16, 2017 20:16:21 GMT Pan Maciej said:

WHAT?

That is the most ridiculous typo in the history of everything. Unless Della is secretly Dickie Duck. Which would be quite a novel look of things, actually, but I really doubt that's what Rosa was going for.

[Matilda]

Aug 16, 2017 20:16:21 GMT Pan Maciej said:

WHAT?

Long-acknowledged mistake. Did you post it on this thread because of the grand/great-uncle discussion?

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 17, 2017 0:07:49 GMT Matilda said:

Aug 16, 2017 20:16:21 GMT Pan Maciej said:

WHAT?

Long-acknowledged mistake. Did you post it on this thread because of the grand/great-uncle discussion?

I think so, yes.

[Pan Maciej]

Sorry bout that. I just foun this and since Della was on the topic... Oh, It was spontaneous.

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Angones just confirmed that Fergus will appear as a living, breathing character (presumably in flashback):

It's hard to find actors who can believably put David's Scrooge in his place. Luckily, we have @grahammctavish as his father Fergus!

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 18, 2017 0:14:01 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Angones just confirmed that Fergus will appear as a living, breathing character (presumably in flashback):

It's hard to find actors who can believably put David's Scrooge in his place. Luckily, we have @grahammctavish as his father Fergus!

Are we sure he'll only be a living breathing character? He could also appear as part of the McDuck Ghosts playing golf in the clouds over the castle, as per Rosa.

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Aug 18, 2017 8:45:36 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Aug 18, 2017 0:14:01 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Angones just confirmed that Fergus will appear as a living, breathing character (presumably in flashback):

Are we sure he'll only be a living breathing character? He could also appear as part of the McDuck Ghosts playing golf in the clouds over the castle, as per Rosa.

Could be. I guess I meant we'll see Fergus in a speaking role rather than just a portrait on a wall, which makes it more likely we'll see Hortense and Matilda in speaking roles, too. We always suspected that, but it's nice to get confirmation.

BTW, I was wondering if maybe they could give Della (and possibly Hortense) slightly quacky voices as well? Nowhere near as thick as Donald's, maybe a little like what Russi Talyor did with HD&L in DuckTales '87 with a feminine overlay, but it'd be a nod to where Donald comes from. And again, Hortense and Matilda (even if they appear in adult forms) need to have Scottish accents!

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 18, 2017 11:24:26 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

And again, Hortense and Matilda (even if they appear in adult forms) need to have Scottish accents!

Actually, I had a dreadful thought earlier today. I think we might never see a Letter from Home arc in the show. The "Donald used to be Scrooge's sidekick, he quit when Scrooge endangered his family because of greed" plot point they added follows a very similar narrative structure (right down to Scrooge and Donald's awkward reunion in the pilot looking a lot like Scrooge and Matilda's) ; I'm very much afraid the writers may decide that rehashing the same arc with Matilda would be redundant.