Her late eighties, probably. Yeah, I could see Ludwig's mom as being alive. Not the side of the family through which he's related to the Ducks, probably, because nobody else ever mentions her.
About the Don Rosa timeline, here is the early version of the family tree:
What name do you think Rosa had down, before he crossed it out and put in "Eider"? I can't make it out. And he actually seems at one point to have had "Dimwitty Duck" as a brother of Abner and Fethry. That's a little surprising. This is a character never used by Barks, and I wasn't aware he was very popular. Was it an editorial request to include him? For that matter, the character has never been described as Donald's cousin, has he?
EDIT: Wait, is that "Moby" under Eider? Did Rosa actually contemplate having Moby Duck be a son of Grandma?
I assume that Ludwig is almost as old as Scrooge, and that Grandma and Scrooge are from the same generation (she may be a handful of years older-but maybe not). All 3 are spry considering their old ages. I don't like Uncle Scrooge being younger (only one generation above) than a Great (or Grand) Uncle of Donald.
About the Don Rosa timeline, here is the early version of the family tree:
What name do you think Rosa had down, before he crossed it out and put in "Eider"? I can't make it out. And he actually seems at one point to have had "Dimwitty Duck" as a brother of Abner and Fethry. That's a little surprising. This is a character never used by Barks, and I wasn't aware he was very popular. Was it an editorial request to include him? For that matter, the character has never been described as Donald's cousin, has he?
EDIT: Wait, is that "Moby" under Eider? Did Rosa actually contemplate having Moby Duck be a son of Grandma?
If Don Rosa could make Moby Duck (of all characters) be a SON of Grandma Duck (and that relationship has NEVER before been shown in any Disney media outlet or publication), why was it not allowed to create a long-lost twin brother of Gladstone, who ran away from home and had a good reason for never contacting The Duck/Gander Family again until now? If it is because these relationships have never been shown before, and readers would wonder why, Grandma's being such a well-used character (with her own series of stories), shouldn't have a long-lost son show up, when he had no reason to never see her again.
I assume that Ludwig is almost as old as Scrooge, and that Grandma and Scrooge are from the same generation (she may be a handful of years older-but maybe not). All 3 are spry considering their old ages. I don't like Uncle Scrooge being younger (only one generation above) than a Great (or Grand) Uncle of Donald.
Well, Ludwig has been mentioned as Donald's uncle, not great-uncle. Of course, it my be argued that "uncle" is short for "great-uncle", but as far as I know no story or animated product imples that
If Don Rosa could make Moby Duck (of all characters) be a SON of Grandma Duck (and that relationship has NEVER before been shown in any Disney media outlet or publication), why was it not allowed to create a long-lost twin brother of Gladstone, who ran away from home and had a good reason for never contacting The Duck/Gander Family again until now? If it is because these relationships have never been shown before, and readers would wonder why, Grandma's being such a well-used character (with her own series of stories), shouldn't have a long-lost son show up, when he had no reason to never see her again.
But Moby doesn't appear in the finished, printed version of Rosa's tree, and there's no proof that Rosa actually meant for him to be Grandma Duck's son. I think that Rosa couldn't at first remember the name of the character "Eider Duck" (an obscure Barks character mentioned in a single panel of a ten-pager) and accidentally wrote "Moby" before correcting it to "Eider".
What name do you think Rosa had down, before he crossed it out and put in "Eider"? I can't make it out. And he actually seems at one point to have had "Dimwitty Duck" as a brother of Abner and Fethry. That's a little surprising. This is a character never used by Barks, and I wasn't aware he was very popular. Was it an editorial request to include him? For that matter, the character has never been described as Donald's cousin, has he?
EDIT: Wait, is that "Moby" under Eider? Did Rosa actually contemplate having Moby Duck be a son of Grandma?
If Don Rosa could make Moby Duck (of all characters) be a SON of Grandma Duck (and that relationship has NEVER before been shown in any Disney media outlet or publication), why was it not allowed to create a long-lost twin brother of Gladstone, who ran away from home and had a good reason for never contacting The Duck/Gander Family again until now? If it is because these relationships have never been shown before, and readers would wonder why, Grandma's being such a well-used character (with her own series of stories), shouldn't have a long-lost son show up, when he had no reason to never see her again.
Do notice that it's both scratched over (IE, Moby gets added, then Rosa changes his mind) and never made it to even being submitted, likely- for all we know, his editors would've stopped it if he'd tried.
He likely, once made to add Fethry, added a few others he thought were important- Moby Duck, namely. Upon realising Moby's not that important and no-one'd care about his absence, unlike Fethry, he removed that.
That said, you should've been allowed to make Sadstone, IMO, Gladstone's brother. Especially since he's been shown with a nephew! Shame you couldn't.
Do notice that it's both scratched over (IE, Moby gets added, then Rosa changes his mind) and never made it to even being submitted, likely- for all we know, his editors would've stopped it if he'd tried.
He likely, once made to add Fethry, added a few others he thought were important- Moby Duck, namely. Upon realising Moby's not that important and no-one'd care about his absence, unlike Fethry, he removed that.
I have a hard time imagining Rosa adding Dimwitty on his own, assuming he even knew anything about him beside his name. Maybe the editor requested both Fethry and Dimwitty to be put on the tree, but then the editor changed his mind, or Rosa made him change his mind, at least for the latter.
As for Moby, I stand by my idea that Rosa accidentally wrote "Moby" instead of "Eider" because he couldn't recall the latter's name, and then corrected it when he noticed the mistake.
Dimwitty is clearly added because Moby was- Dimwitty was Moby's sidekick, if you recall.
It still makes more sense to me that Rosa THOUGHT that since he had to add Fethry, he had to add other recurring Duck family members, namely Moby Duck whom he'd certainly remember from the same comics he remembers Ludwig from. And once Moby's added, adding Dimwitty makes sense. Then he realises he DOESN'T have to add anyone but Fethry, so out go the other two. Notice how he basically shoved all the "non-Barks ducks" into one branch there- Moby would've been Fethry's father, and Dimwitty Fethry's brother, and only Whitewater is out of place there probably as a "eh easier to fit him here" element.
Dimwitty is clearly added because Moby was- Dimwitty was Moby's sidekick, if you recall.
While I've read a couple of comics with Moby, I don't think I've ever met Dimwitty, unless I am forgetting him. Still, I remember reading of his association with Moby in some websites, like the Wikipedia page about the characters of the Duck universe.
It still makes more sense to me that Rosa THOUGHT that since he had to add Fethry, he had to add other recurring Duck family members, namely Moby Duck whom he'd certainly remember from the same comics he remembers Ludwig from. And once Moby's added, adding Dimwitty makes sense. Then he realises he DOESN'T have to add anyone but Fethry, so out go the other two. Notice how he basically shoved all the "non-Barks ducks" into one branch there- Moby would've been Fethry's father, and Dimwitty Fethry's brother, and only Whitewater is out of place there probably as a "eh easier to fit him here" element.
I get your point, and your idea is logical. Of course, we also have to consider that Rosa didn't add Eider until he removed Moby, though it's possible that at that point he didn't remember about that obscure Barks character (he deleted both the name and surname for Dimwitty Duck, but he only removed Moby's first name).
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Aug 2, 2017 18:59:29 GMT
Coming back to HD&L's age, Donald tells the boys in Life of Scrooge Chapter XII that he was "younger than they were" the only time he had met Scrooge before at that point, and since Donald was born in 1920 (according to Rosa), and the famous kick happened in 1930, HD&L had to have been at least 11 when they first meet Scrooge (in 1947, therefore Rosa's proposed birth date of 1940 for the triplets doesn't quite work; either they were born earlier or Donald was wrong in his aforementioned statement). Since Rosa's tales take place in the early 1950s, HD&L would have to be at least 14, probably closer to 16 or 17 in the later adventures (like the sequels to Barks stories).
Coming back to HD&L's age, Donald tells the boys in Life of Scrooge Chapter XII that he was "younger than they were" the only time he had met Scrooge before at that point, and since Donald was born in 1920 (according to Rosa), and the famous kick happened in 1930, HD&L had to have been at least 11 when they first meet Scrooge (in 1947, therefore Rosa's proposed birth date of 1940 for the triplets doesn't quite work; either they were born earlier or Donald was wrong in his aforementioned statement). Since Rosa's tales take place in the early 1950s, HD&L would have to be at least 14, probably closer to 16 or 17 in the later adventures (like the sequels to Barks stories).
Yup, that's definitely a problem. As for the line "younger than they were", I remember Rosa said it was a mistake. Where did I read it...?
Coming back to HD&L's age, Donald tells the boys in Life of Scrooge Chapter XII that he was "younger than they were" the only time he had met Scrooge before at that point, and since Donald was born in 1920 (according to Rosa), and the famous kick happened in 1930, HD&L had to have been at least 11 when they first meet Scrooge (in 1947, therefore Rosa's proposed birth date of 1940 for the triplets doesn't quite work; either they were born earlier or Donald was wrong in his aforementioned statement).
Rosa confirmed (in a DCML message) that line was a blooper, though I'm not sure if it has been corrected in reprints or not. Of course, some Donaldists used that blooper, plus another blooper in some European translation, to write that Rosa is involved in a conspiracy to hide the fact that Della became a mother at the age of 11, or some nonsense like that.
On the subject of Donald's age: I found this 1945 newspaper strip by Bob Karp and Al Taliaferro today: inducks.org/story.php?c=YD+45-03-03 . It mentions that, despite his attempts to join, Donald is too young for the army (which is in line with Barks, who said he saw Donald as a teenager).
(which is in line with Barks, who said he saw Donald as a teenager).
This is a neat find, but I believe Barks's statement, while wildly misinterpreted, referred to the sort of outlook Barks characterized him with, as opposed to his actual age in years (Donald is obviously HDL's legal guardian, so he is major in Barks lore, unless the Duckburg legal system is even crazier than we thought). Didn't we discuss this elswhere, a while back?
(which is in line with Barks, who said he saw Donald as a teenager).
This is a neat find, but I believe Barks's statement, while wildly misinterpreted, referred to the sort of outlook Barks characterized him with, as opposed to his actual age in years (Donald is obviously HDL's legal guardian, so he is major in Barks lore, unless the Duckburg legal system is even crazier than we thought). Didn't we discuss this elswhere, a while back?
Yes, we discussed it, though, honestly, I felt that the explanation that Barks was talking about Donald's mental age rather than physical age was a bit of a stretch. The actual quote from an interview with Wim Van Helden (which was posted in the same topic: featherysociety.proboards.com/thread/104/scrooge-mcducks-childhood-home?page=3 ) Barks is clearly talking about Donald's actual age. Of course, other artists can disagree if they want to, but I find it interesting that Barks and Bob Karp both saw Donald as being much younger than most people in this topic (and presumably a lot of other readers) do.
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