Years ago, I read a Brazilian Disney comic book where was a "Sanson and Delilah" spoof: Fethry (Peninha) was Sanson and Magica (Maga Patalógica) was Delilah.
THERE WAS AN DISNEY STORY BASE ON THE BIBLE???
....
YAAAAY!!!!
(Don't want to start idological discussion in any shape or form but my spiritual part just started rolling on the ground from joy... )
Last Edit: Jul 16, 2017 23:53:27 GMT by Pan Maciej
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Years ago, I read a Brazilian Disney comic book where was a "Sanson and Delilah" spoof: Fethry (Peninha) was Sanson and Magica (Maga Patalógica) was Delilah.
THERE WAS AN DISNEY STORY BASE ON THE BIBLE???
....
YAAAAY!!!!
(Don't want to start idological discussion in any shape or form but my spiritual part just started rolling on the ground from joy... )
I don't know that Brazilian story, but surely it wasn't the only Disney comic which referenced the Bible or religion in general. There's a 15-page thread about "Disney Universe and religion" on the Papersera forum, and maybe we can also open one.
Yes! But the writer, Ivan Saidenberg, very smartly, don't mentions God or religious aspects. The presence of God is shown only as thunderbolts on the tails of the ducks. The daughter of the late Saidenberg has a blog where she posts on each (there are too many)plot/script written by her father. historiascomentadas.wordpress.com/2013/09/09/penao-e-magalila/
Years ago, I read a Brazilian Disney comic book where was a "Sanson and Delilah" spoof: Fethry (Peninha) was Sanson and Magica (Maga Patalógica) was Delilah.
THERE WAS AN DISNEY STORY BASE ON THE BIBLE???
....
YAAAAY!!!!
(Don't want to start idological discussion in any shape or form but my spiritual part just started rolling on the ground from joy... )
Years ago, I read a Brazilian Disney comic book where was a "Sanson and Delilah" spoof: Fethry (Peninha) was Sanson and Magica (Maga Patalógica) was Delilah.
THERE WAS AN DISNEY STORY BASE ON THE BIBLE???
....
YAAAAY!!!!
(Don't want to start idological discussion in any shape or form but my spiritual part just started rolling on the ground from joy... )
Ha! Ha! We are reminded so much by editorial rules that we have to be so careful not to even bring up a remote feeling of some vague relation to religion, that I have to think really hard and deep whether or not to even ask my editor if it would be allowed for me to have the heroes in my current story remove their hats in a moment of silence for a villain, who was thought to have been washed out to sea by a strong undertow, (and possibly have been drowned), even when we will see later in the story that he did NOT die. This is all because we're not supposed to even touch on the subject of death, and also on religion, the latter of which is implied when it is implied that people giving respect with a moment of silence MUST mean that they are "praying" (which is an act of fealty to one's "god" or "God"(e.g. creator of The Universe).
I just got to read "Zio Paperone, Amelia & il patto della luna" inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+3035-5 which I think someone mentioned on this forum on another thread. It's definitely trying to show a more sympathetic, "nicer" side to Magica. <spoilers follow!> Indeed, Magica is herself motivated to show Scrooge a nicer side of herself. The story includes flashbacks to Magica's childhood/youth, where Magica is much nicer than her sorcery classmates, and where her loving uncle (also a sorcerer?) doesn't want her to turn out evil. The story is highly rated on Inducks. I enjoyed aspects of it, but overall it didn't convince me as a backstory. Li'l Magica is cute as all get-out. But I wish she'd been characterized with more of a mix of motivations, not just as a nice kid who had trouble fitting in. And I really don't like the fact that her obsession with gaining the Midas touch via rich folks' coins is put down to the task assigned to her by the Sorcerers' Board (three witches/female sorcerers) to prove herself as a sorcerer. In the French version: "Each sorcerer of your age is given a task to accomplish--a task which inexorably determines the destiny of that girl! We've reserved something grand for you--you have to show us that you're up to the task!" Or else she gets turned into a cute little fairy and will be the shame of her family. I guess I don't like this because, for all that Magica is trapped in an obsessive endeavor which just brings her endless failure and frustration, I want her to at least have the agency of having decided on that goal for her own reasons.
Incidentally, the French translation--where Magica is normally called "Miss Tick," a pun on "mystic"--had to give her a first name for the childhood scenes, and the name they chose is "Enigma"! (I don't know whether this first name was ever used anywhere else.)
There's some clever plotting in the story, and I like how Scrooge comes to understand why the adventure happened the way it did, and what that tells him about Magica's character. I also like the reference Magica makes to her niece Minima, a character I'm fond of. So, lots to appreciate in the story, even if I won't accept its explanation of the source of Magica's consuming passion.
I just got to read "Zio Paperone, Amelia & il patto della luna" inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+3035-5 which I think someone mentioned on this forum on another thread. It's definitely trying to show a more sympathetic, "nicer" side to Magica. <spoilers follow!> Indeed, Magica is herself motivated to show Scrooge a nicer side of herself. The story includes flashbacks to Magica's childhood/youth, where Magica is much nicer than her sorcery classmates, and where her loving uncle (also a sorcerer?) doesn't want her to turn out evil. The story is highly rated on Inducks. I enjoyed aspects of it, but overall it didn't convince me as a backstory. Li'l Magica is cute as all get-out. But I wish she'd been characterized with more of a mix of motivations, not just as a nice kid who had trouble fitting in. And I really don't like the fact that her obsession with gaining the Midas touch via rich folks' coins is put down to the task assigned to her by the Sorcerers' Board (three witches/female sorcerers) to prove herself as a sorcerer. In the French version: "Each sorcerer of your age is given a task to accomplish--a task which inexorably determines the destiny of that girl! We've reserved something grand for you--you have to show us that you're up to the task!" Or else she gets turned into a cute little fairy and will be the shame of her family. I guess I don't like this because, for all that Magica is trapped in an obsessive endeavor which just brings her endless failure and frustration, I want her to at least have the agency of having decided on that goal for her own reasons.
Incidentally, the French translation--where Magica is normally called "Miss Tick," a pun on "mystic"--had to give her a first name for the childhood scenes, and the name they chose is "Enigma"! (I don't know whether this first name was ever used anywhere else.)
There's some clever plotting in the story, and I like how Scrooge comes to understand why the adventure happened the way it did, and what that tells him about Magica's character. I also like the reference Magica makes to her niece Minima, a character I'm fond of. So, lots to appreciate in the story, even if I won't accept its explanation of the source of Magica's consuming passion.
Hmm, interesting. I suppose we could reconcile that "Sorcerer's Task" idea with a more character-fitting personal wish by saying that she began as that, but that the time to fulfill the task expired long ago and Magica kept at it out of spite because even if it won't count officially anymore she wants to prove to herself that she can do it.
Could you post a picture of the uncle character, by the way?
And I really don't like the fact that her obsession with gaining the Midas touch via rich folks' coins is put down to the task assigned to her by the Sorcerers' Board (three witches/female sorcerers) to prove herself as a sorcerer.
I have not read the story that you are talking about, but this idea does not sound new at all in my mind. Which means that it also appeared in other Italian stories, maybe in some that I read as a child.
EDIT: wait, was not there a reference to this idea of assigned task also in Artibani's Last Adventure? Maybe I remember incorrectly, and right now I cannot verify, since I do not have my copy of the story nearby.
And I really don't like the fact that her obsession with gaining the Midas touch via rich folks' coins is put down to the task assigned to her by the Sorcerers' Board (three witches/female sorcerers) to prove herself as a sorcerer.
I have not read the story that you are talking about, but this idea does not sound new at all in my mind. Which means that it also appeared in other Italian stories, maybe in some that I read as a child.
EDIT: wait, was not there a reference to this idea of assigned task also in Artibani's Last Adventure? Maybe I remember incorrectly, and right now I cannot verify, since I do not have my copy of the story nearby.
The three witches of the Sorcerers' Board (my term) and the threat of turning Magica into a cute fairy both reminded me of "Scrooge's Last Adventure," but I don't remember whether that story also talked about her Midas/#1 obsession as an assigned task. I also don't have a copy nearby right now, so someone else will have to verify this!
Incidentally, the French translation--where Magica is normally called "Miss Tick," a pun on "mystic"--had to give her a first name for the childhood scenes, and the name they chose is "Enigma"! (I don't know whether this first name was ever used anywhere else.)
There's some clever plotting in the story, and I like how Scrooge comes to understand why the adventure happened the way it did, and what that tells him about Magica's character. I also like the reference Magica makes to her niece Minima, a character I'm fond of. So, lots to appreciate in the story, even if I won't accept its explanation of the source of Magica's consuming passion.
According to the Picsou Wiki, "Tick" is her first name and "de Sortilège" her surname. However, this is mosty based on a quote from a DuckTales 1987 episode where Scrooge calls Magica "Miss Tick de Sortilège" because of a scene where he slowly says her name, then her surname. "Magica... Magica de Spell!" -- "Miss Tick... Miss Tick de Sortilège!"
I am not much a fan of this...
How about Magica's relationship with other characters?
I remember a story where Daisy and Magica meet in the street, and greet each other like good friends. I found that very weird, and then thought that they had no reason to be enemies... if you don't count the fact she endangered her boyfriend dozens of times.
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Magica is unpredictable. The thing with her is that she will go after Scrooge's family as a part of her schemes, but she might also act friendly with them... But she is far more likely to target innocent people than for example Glomgold is. Many of Magica's schemes start with 'I'll take this sell and use it on Scrooge's family' The Beagle boys can do that too but it's usually something like burglary...
She depends based on the writer, I'd say she is a villain but has a symphatetic side.