(When you say "the white-fathered Duck family seems to stem from ancient Middle-Eastern roots, not Europe", do you mean the species or the Donald Duck family? If the latter, why?)
Between King Scrooge the First and at least two Italian stories with Egyptian ancestors of the Ducks, it seemed a reasonable assumption to make.
I refuse to believe that Buettner didn't intend that cameo in the panel posted above to *be* Daffy Duck ... right down to the "Okay, bub", a classic Looney-Tunes-ism. Probably wanted to see if he could get away with it.
I wondered too, but when we see the character in full-body, he seems much taller than Daffy and wears pants (!), so I'm undecided.
What's the proposed story behind the green-skinned duck reporter in DuckTales '17? I thought her coloring was odd, but understandable given that a lot of ducks have green feathers (this show doesn't respect all the traditions of the comics universe anyway); is there speculation that there's something more to it?
In real life ducks, only mallards have a green head. Thus, a lot of people assume that Roxanne Featherly (that's her name per the credits) is actually a transgender woman, being the first such character in a Donald Duck story to date.
BBJ: Weren't Mickey and Goofy also referred to as "white men" in early Gottfredson stories? That's significant, considering that some had speculated in the past that they should be considered African-American since their bodies are predominantly black.
I've said this in the past on DCF.... One of the reasons I prefer the white-faced Mickey to the pinkish-tan-faced Mickey is that the former is more ethnically neutral. One of the kids I've supplied Disney comics to is African-American, and for his sake I would have wanted even the cover art to give Mickey a white face rather than a "Caucasian" one. (IDW gives Mickey a pinkish-tan face on the covers and a white face in the interior of the comic.) Naturally the mostly-black bodies and white faces of Mickey & Co. are an artifact of their origins in black-and-white cartoons. But in my experience, it's seeing Mickey's or Goofy's feet without shoes/socks or their hands without gloves that really makes it seem like they are Black. The black feet/hands just look odd in combination with the pinkish-tan face.
But in my experience, it's seeing Mickey's or Goofy's feet without shoes/socks or their hands without gloves that really makes it seem like they are Black. The black feet/hands just look odd in combination with the pinkish-tan face.
For what it's worth, Sport Goofy's feet are pinksh in Soccermania (boy, we just keep coming back to that film, don't we?)
But in my experience, it's seeing Mickey's or Goofy's feet without shoes/socks or their hands without gloves that really makes it seem like they are Black. The black feet/hands just look odd in combination with the pinkish-tan face.
For what it's worth, Sport Goofy's feet are pinksh in Soccermania (boy, we just keep coming back to that film, don't we?)
Whoa! Well, I guess that's more consistent, if they want Goofy to be perceived as Caucasian. A Caucasian who wears black leggings, I guess.
But in my experience, it's seeing Mickey's or Goofy's feet without shoes/socks or their hands without gloves that really makes it seem like they are Black. The black feet/hands just look odd in combination with the pinkish-tan face.
For what it's worth, Sport Goofy's feet are pinksh in Soccermania (boy, we just keep coming back to that film, don't we?)
His feet and hands are pinkish in the cartoons too.
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I think Goofy and Wilbur is the first cartoon where he takes off his glove and I think he usually went gloveless during the 50s.
Ah, but that's Goofy, not Sport Goofy, though. Still interesting though.
Sport Goofy and Goofy are distinct entities only in the comics. As we discussed on another thread, they're probably variations of the same character in animation. George Geef also went gloveless, had pinkish/tan-colored hands and even a pinkish/tan-colored body, but whether he's meant to be the same character as Goofy or not is less clear (I believe he is, but it was a gradual transformation ... he lost his ears and buck teeth, got fatter along the way, and ultimately became very different-looking, a little like how Egghead became Elmer Fudd). Of course, again, I consider these animated versions of Goofy distinct from Comics-Goofy.
As to the coloring-or-not of Mickey/Goofy/Pete's faces, my personal preference is to color them in, but I'm okay with either. Pie-eyed Mickey with a pinkish/tan-colored face looks weird (Disney Comics, Inc., is the only American publisher who used that scheme), but pupil-eyed Mickey I can take either way. However, I do want consistency. If Mickey's face is white in a story, then Pete's must be white too. Often that is not the case. (And I do see your point, Matilda, but outside the comics, "modern" Mickey is almost always portrayed with a pinkish/tan-face, so there's no escaping that image.)
note that the story in question features other Asian characters (aside from the Tralla La residents) who were not colored yellow
More specifically, I was talking about these characters, from the same story as the Tralla La people:
I'd say that, if the yellow coloring of the Tralla La people's feathers stemmed from the Asian stereotype, these characters would have been colored yellow as well.
I agree it is better to compare character design from the same story. But here.... actually, Indians are Caucasian. "Yellow Peril" is very specifically referring to people of East Asia.
Post by seymour747millplane on Jan 30, 2018 21:21:05 GMT
Can you think of any cat coloration stereotypes in the Disney Comics?
1) The upper class or rich white or silver tipped cat. 2) The humble and/or heroic orange cat. 3) The orange male cat, white female cat couple. 4) The Black or tuxedo male cat, white female cat couple. 5) The Unlucky or evil black cat. 6) The brave and hopeful or unsuccessful black and white cat. 7) The heroic and friendly tabby. 8) The placid, fat, and/or lazy grey cat. 9) The nondescript mitted or tuxedo kitten. 10) The snarky black tuxedo or grey tuxedo female cat. 11) The mean or evil dark colored cat. 12) The Asian or Asian stereotype Siamese 13) The mean Siamese 14) The snooty Persian 15) The right hand cat Persian 16) The right hand cat Sphynx 17) The mean Spyhnx 18) The female love interest lilac, cream, or white cat. 19) The spunky nice tortoiseshell or calico 20) The scrappy tortoiseshell or calico 21) The white kitten, orange kitten, black kitten trio. 22) The Russian or Russian stereotype Russian Blue. 23) The aloof or snarky tabby. 24) The mentor white or grey cat. 25) The black or black mitted or tuxedo cat paired with a white or mostly white dog. 26) The placid, fat, and/or lazy orange cat.
Interesting--It begs the question: can talking ducks really be considered to have a skin color? Donald and his family have white feathers, which don't look anything like the skin complexion of a caucasian person, either, yet I doubt that anyone has ever gotten offended by Donald being too stereotypically white. Whether the intention of the coloring in the "Tralla La" story was necessarily racist I don't know (note that the story in question features other Asian characters (aside from the Tralla La residents) who were not colored yellow), but, regardless, I don't think readers would have interpreted yellow-feathered ducks (of which there have been countless examples in popular culture) as Asian stereotypes.
On the other hand, such Daffy-style ducks who aren't especially "typed" in any way, so to speak, have also occasionally appeared, such as this one from Carl Buettner's Football Fandango:
In The Status Seeker and other stories featuring them, the inhabitants of Rippan Taro may be "white-feathered" in the American printings…
One artist who likes to use black-feathered characters (who often look like ravens) is Francesco Guerrini. I guess one reason for this is because all of his side characters are birds - he only uses dog- or pignoses when they are already established characters (like Jones or the mayor). This led to some discussion on the German DCF whether a "black" character appearing in his remake of "Shacktown" was meant to highlight racial issues...