I just noticed that the "Mouseton" entry on the Disney Wiki, which previously mentioned Pennecticut as a proposed name for the Northeastern state that some of us like to imagine Mouseton is in, no longer does so. As someone who likes "Mouseton, Pennecticut", I was disappointed to see that, and hope some of the discussion on this thread didn't (undeservedly, in my opinion) prompt the decision. Then again, as has been previously pointed out elsewhere, it's a wiki anyone can edit.
I believe it was removed some time ago by a Disney Wiki user who was culling out "fan theories" from pages.
But the idea that Mouseton is an Eastern city, which one could also argue is a fan theory now that Mouseton is in Calisota in published American comics, was left in place. I would have thought it would all be removed.
I believe it was removed some time ago by a Disney Wiki user who was culling out "fan theories" from pages.
But the idea that Mouseton is an Eastern city, which one could also argue is a fan theory now that Mouseton is in Calisota in published American comics, was left in place. I would have thought it would all be removed.
Whether it's still "canon" is irrelevant to the fact that, as cited in this thread, there is a reasonable amount of on-page evidence to at least suggest an Eastern setting. Whereas the name "Pennecticut" as such is not official at all. Any reader could derive the former from the comics, whereas the latter requires foreknowledge of theorizing.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Aug 26, 2019 14:48:39 GMT
For whatever it's worth, the cartoon "Runaway Brain" reveals that Mickey Mouse lives in "Guillard County" (or at least has a library card there). If you believe Cartoon-Mickey and Comics-Mickey are the same, this may be of some importance to you.
It's an alternate version of Earth with different geography.
In their fantasy world version of the US, Duckburg is located in Calisota on the West Coast, and Mouseton is a coastal city in the North East.
So ... Mouseton, Guillard County, Pennecticut?
Eureka, California, the real-life equivalent of Duckburg (per Rosa) is indeed a coastal city. However, has Mouseton been shown to be one? Unless one means "coastal" in a broader sense (as it's used politically).
It's an alternate version of Earth with different geography.
In their fantasy world version of the US, Duckburg is located in Calisota on the West Coast, and Mouseton is a coastal city in the North East.
So ... Mouseton, Guillard County, Pennecticut?
Eureka, California, the real-life equivalent of Duckburg (per Rosa) is indeed a coastal city. However, has Mouseton been shown to be one? Unless one means "coastal" in a broader sense (as it's used politically).
Only problem is that, lest I'm mistaken, there's nothing official to really backup the use of Pennecticut. It's just fan theory as far as I know. Mouseton, Guillard County, Mousechusetts makes more sense in line with official evidence. Then again, there's plenty of stories to show Mouseton and Duckburg as neighboring cities. Mouseton, Guillard County, Calisota probably works with the vast majority of stories.
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I thought this might be of interest to those who don't like the idea of Mouseton/Mouseville being located in the same state as Duckburg: in Mickey Mouse and the Ghost of Man-Eater Mountain, reprinted by IDW in Mickey Mouse #314, we meet one of Mickey's old college professors, Professor Bernard, and are told that he taught "down at Mousechussets Tech".
It doesn't mean much to me (since I'm quite comfortable placing Mouseton near Duckburg), but there you have it. And Mousechusetts may not be such a great pun, but at least it doesn't have the same… unpleasant associations as Pennecticut. Erm.
Even though nowadays Italian stories place both Duckburg and Mouseton on the West Coast, in the past their position hadn't been codified yet and so authors alternated between stories in which Duckburg and Mouseton are both on the West Coast and stories in which only Duckburg is there while Mouseton is on, or near, the East Coast.
Coming to "Calidornia" ... I've always been curious about Scarpa's use of this name. Where did he first use it, and did he use it more than once? Did he put Duckburg and Mouseton in the US or Italy? Why didn't he just go with California? And was he aware or not of Barks' name for the Ducks' home state, Calisota (which one came first)? Even if Calisota preceded Calidornia, I wouldn't blame Scarpa for being unaware of that name; Barks only used it once and then seemed to forget about it himself.
EDIT: Okay, according to this source, Calisota came first, Calidornia was only used once, and Scarpa put his Ducks and Mice in the USA.
You have partially answered yourself already, but I will add that Scarpa's use of Calidornia was a one-time thing, and I seem to recall he used California in other stories instead. For example, the opening panel of this story mentions a fictional mission said to be in California, and if I remember correctly Duckburg was said to be just 50 miles to the north. The name California was also used in stories by other authors, for example I remember a few by Martina. There was also one early frame story that mentioned a fictional state that was not Calisota nor Calidornia, but I can't remember the name or the story.
Anyway, Calisota is the norm now, due to Rosa's influence, though I think in the mid-to-late 2000s the name Calidornia popped up a couple of times. As for Italian editions of "The Gilded Man": early translations used Callisota with two "l"s for some reasons, while modern translations omit the name entirely. Which sometimes causes some misunderstanding: for example, this issue was titled "Uack! #24 - Paperopoli #1: Una città nel Calisota", meaning "Uack! #24 - Duckburg #1: A city in Calisota". The choice of stories included the Barks 10-pager which first named Duckburg, Barks' 10-pager with the first mention of Cornelius Coot, "The Gilded Man" because of its first mention of Calisota, and Rosa's "His Majesty, McDuck" beause it shows how Cornelius Coot founded Duckburg. However, few readers even understood the point of including "The Gilded Man" in a Duckburg-themed issue, since they printed the modern translation which omits the name Calisota.
Anyway, by the time Scarpa's "Topolino e l'imperatore della Calidornia" was published in 1961 there had already been two publications of "The Gilded Man" in Italy, in 1952 and 1957. It's possible he hadn't read them, since the number of Disney comics published in Italy was huge, and that Barks story wasn't even published in the main title, Topolino, but in other comic book titles. It's also possible he had read it but simply forgot the name of the state, since it was only mentioned in a single panel and wasn't an important aspect of the story.
Unless I am mistaken, nobody picked up on Calisota before Rosa's "The Son of the Sun" did it in 1987.
At least I know there's a Strobl-drawn story that gives Scrooge's home as San Fransornia, Califrisco. So this sort of name-related tomfoolery seemed quite widespread.
I think it reads Sanifornia, Califrisco:
The panel is from this 1951 story, drawn by Paul Murry and not by Tony Strobl; the writer is unknown. Oddly, this throwaway reference from a single, not very famous comic ended up being mentioned in "Last Bus to Wisdom: A Novel", a 2015 book by Ivan Doig. The historical novel takes place in 1951 and at one point there is this scene:
He said a mouthful there. Out of nowhere, which was just like her, Aunt Kate abruptly clouded out Letty, and I hurried to change the topic. "How far are you and the, uh, lady going?" “Califrisco, Sanifornia,” he quacked it, which if I wasn't mistaken was the address of Scrooge McDuck in the funnies, or at least I laughed like it was.
Did Barks ever make any explicit references to Duckburg being in the USA in his stories? I'd be surprised if he didn't, just can't think of any off the top of my head.
Any other Barksian references to Duckburg or the Ducks as being (USA) American?
There is at least one reference: in Barks' 1959 Gyro 4-pager about the wishing well, the inventor says he is from Duckburg, Usa.
Also, in another thread about the first non-Barks use of Duckburg and other alternate names for the city found in old stories, Scrooge MacDuck wrote "Amusingly, one non-Barks story in Donald Duck #44 refers to it as Duckburg, USA, and the other non-Barks story refers to it as Duckville, USA. Was a little consistency in a single issue too much to ask?" So, that's other two non-Barks mentions of Usa, even though in one of them the city is called Duckville instead of Duckburg.
By the way, I don't think that discussion ever clarified which story used Duckburg and which story used Duckville. Looking at the Inducks page of that 1955 issue, I see that we can exclude the 1-pagers and the stories without ducks, so we are left with "The Predictor Parrot" and the untitled story by Dick Moores. The question now is which story uses which name.
For whatever it's worth, the cartoon "Runaway Brain" reveals that Mickey Mouse lives in "Guillard County" (or at least has a library card there). If you believe Cartoon-Mickey and Comics-Mickey are the same, this may be of some importance to you.
So it seems it took a long time for Mouseton to be mentioned in animation. Duckburg was mentioned as early as 1987 in "Sport Goofy in Soccermania", which even predates DuckTales. At any rate, I have heard Mouseton has finally been mentioned in a 2018 episode of the DuckTales reboot.
Last Edit: Oct 3, 2019 8:12:36 GMT by drakeborough
So it seems it took a long time for Mouseton to be mentioned in animation. Duckburg was mentioned as early as 1987 in "Sport Goofy in Soccermania", which even predates DuckTales. At any rate, I have heard Mouseton has finally been mentioned in a 2018 episode of the DuckTales reboot.
Well, "Mouseton" wasn't coined until 1990, so in a way it took less time than Duckburg did to be named in animation. DuckTales '17 does indeed reference Mouseton, but hasn't yet specified what state it's in. I believe Goof Troop (or maybe one of the spinoff movies) set Spoonerville in Ohio, but while DuckTales '17 has referenced that city as well, again, it hasn't clarified the state.
It's an alternate version of Earth with different geography.
In their fantasy world version of the US, Duckburg is located in Calisota on the West Coast, and Mouseton is a coastal city in the North East.
So ... Mouseton, Guillard County, Pennecticut?
Eureka, California, the real-life equivalent of Duckburg (per Rosa) is indeed a coastal city. However, has Mouseton been shown to be one? Unless one means "coastal" in a broader sense (as it's used politically).
In many Mickey stories there is an harbor/dockside or something (sometimes used as a place of criminal activity).
So it seems it took a long time for Mouseton to be mentioned in animation. Duckburg was mentioned as early as 1987 in "Sport Goofy in Soccermania", which even predates DuckTales. At any rate, I have heard Mouseton has finally been mentioned in a 2018 episode of the DuckTales reboot.
Well, "Mouseton" wasn't coined until 1990, so in a way it took less time than Duckburg did to be named in animation.
Indeed, I kind of expected such an answer. Mouseton is a relatively recent term, and its predecessor Mouseville was probably only used two times as Mickey's city if we exclude S-coded stories which didn't even get an English language release. It just shows how the duck universe is better developed/more popular than the mouse universe, seeing that in many traditions Mickey doesn't even have a separate country, and even in certain traditions where he has one, like the USA, the name is a fairly new creation. It just feels strange for me to think about it, coming from a country where Mickey's city has had a name since 1952, even though it took a few years to get established.
This makes me curious about something: does anyone have a scan of the Gladstone's Mickey Mouse letter columns, mentioned by David Gerstein in a 1994 DCML message, in which someone first suggested the name Mouseton?
Last Edit: Sept 14, 2019 17:02:02 GMT by drakeborough
Indeed, I kind of expected such an answer. Mouseton is a relatively recent term, and its predecessor Mouseville was probably only used two times as Mickey's city if we exclude S-coded stories which didn't even get an English language release. It just shows how the duck universe is better developed/more popular than the mouse universe, seeing that in many traditions Mickey doesn't even have a separate country, and even in certain traditions where he has one, like the USA, the name is a fairly new creation. It just feels strange for me to think about it, coming from a country where Mickey's city has had a name since 1952, even though it took a few years to get established.
This makes me curious about something: does anyone have a scan of the Gladstone's Mickey Mouse letter columns, mentioned by David Gerstein in a 1994 DCML message, in which someone first suggested the name Mouseton?
It seems that I can help you, since there is a website called [REDACTED] which has all the Mickey Mouse issues . The question is now, what issue is it?
Not that I can truthfully claim I didn't know of that helpful little thing's existence, but it is obviously not-altogether-legal, this, Rrr. I think there is an understanding that it would be safer and more reputable por people not to mention their use of it in the public forums, let alone recommend it.
It seems that I can help you, since there is a website called readcomiconline.to which has all the Mickey Mouse issues . The question is now, what issue is it?
I don't know, that's what I was hoping to learn. I agree with Scrooge MacDuck that it may be a bit controversial to mention that website on this forum, but I'm glad that you did since I didn't know about it until now. When I have time, I will try to see if I can identify the issue, assuming there is every single one of them.
Did Barks ever make any explicit references to Duckburg being in the USA in his stories? I'd be surprised if he didn't, just can't think of any off the top of my head.
Also, in another thread about the first non-Barks use of Duckburg and other alternate names for the city found in old stories, Scrooge MacDuck wrote "Amusingly, one non-Barks story in Donald Duck #44 refers to it as Duckburg, USA, and the other non-Barks story refers to it as Duckville, USA. Was a little consistency in a single issue too much to ask?" So, that's other two non-Barks mentions of Usa, even though in one of them the city is called Duckville instead of Duckburg.
By the way, I don't think that discussion ever clarified which story used Duckburg and which story used Duckville. Looking at the Inducks page of that 1955 issue, I see that we can exclude the 1-pagers and the stories without ducks, so we are left with "The Predictor Parrot" and the untitled story by Dick Moores. The question now is which story uses which name.
I found the answer myself: "The Predictor Parrot" has many mentions of Duckburg, including one of "Duckburg, U.S.A.":
The untitled story from the same issue mentions "Duckville, U.S.A":
Post by drakeborough on Sept 15, 2019 19:48:15 GMT
Another story in which Donald explicitly says he is from the USA is The Crocodile Collector, written by Don Christensen and drawn by Frank McSavage, from One Shots #348, September 1951.
However, this is also another instance in which Donald's city is called Duckville instead of Duckburg: