No, Orora's right. Barks wrote Mr Duck steps out, the cartoon in which Daisy debuted, and thus co-created Daisy, although he does not claim paternity to her as much as to other characters, since others worked on that cartoon too and so Daisy wasn't exactly "his" baby.
Ah, OK, I know that Barks wrote this animated short but I was not sure if he did created Daisy. I also heard that Gus Goose was also created by Carl Barks in the animated short where he debuted (Or maybe I heard it wrong because he was actually debuted in a Taliaferro strip from 1938). "Sorry for my mistake!" . I'm saying that because I was almost in tears but I know that every fans makes mistakes! .
There, there, nothing to cry about. As for Gus Goose and the Taliaferro problem, it's much like Ludwig von Drake (who also technically made his debut in a strip published before An Adventure in Color): since making a strip is faster than making a cartoon, Taliaferro started doing his comic counterpart to Donald's Cousin Gus after the cartoon had already been begun, but he finished it before they were done animating it.
So that's what you meant, jubalpomp. OK, I though you were talking about the face of those "famous" TV characters and that why I said that. Well, it's okay to not like the same images because every fans have their own opinions! . Thanks for the other cover scan too.
Well, yes, I heard about this thing called "Uncanny Valley" before. I do agree that in the old french magazines, they actually used Disney characters compared to those scans of those mascot characters from the modern french magazines that you posted. Yes, they really looks ugly, unoriginal and un-Disneyish. I'm also thinking that they don't belong to Picsou Magazine at all. Those characters should be putted in a non-Disney magazine and speaking of non-Disney characters, I wonder why are they still including non-Disney characters and stories in the modern french Disney magazines? They used those non-Disney stuff since 50s or 60s (You can correct me if I'm wrong). France is not the only country where the publishers used non-Disney stuff in a Disney magazine but in some older issues of the Dutch Donald Duck magazine, the publishers included some non-Disney stories like The Smurfs. We have a dutch member here (That Duckfan/Duckfandownunder) who probably knows more about the dutch issues that featured non-Disney stories. If he read this post from me, I would be happy if he post some scans from non-Disney stories that were published on the Dutch Donald Duck magazine.
We had non-Disney comics in the weekly from 1955 to the early 2000s.
The first time a non-Disney comic started, the legendary Tom Poes comic, it was introduced with quite a lot of fanfare: coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=nl%2FDD1955-37 (The cover says: "Who knows the name of our new friend? Participate for free in our cozy new balloon contest and win one of the 50 brand new Raleigh bicycles!") The Toonder Studios worked closely with the people at Donald Duck. They wrote many of the famous Big Bad Wolf and Hiawatha stories that were produced in the late 60s, and if you ask me the Tom Poes comics had a great influence on later generations of Dutch Duck comics, especially its more satirical elements.
There were many more, but I don't have time to go into them right now.
Thanks for your confirmation, That Duckfan. So, 1955 was the first year where they started putting non-Disney stuff on the Dutch Donald Duck magazine. Were the Tom Poes stories really made by Toonder Studios? I know that about them working on the Wolves and Hiawatha stories in late 60s. I wonder why they stopped those non-Disney stories in early 2000s? Maybe because they decided to put only Disney stories in their magazine or because they thought that the readers weren't happy with those stories and wanted only Disney stories? If you know then please answer me on that.
Ah, OK, I know that Barks wrote this animated short but I was not sure if he did created Daisy. I also heard that Gus Goose was also created by Carl Barks in the animated short where he debuted (Or maybe I heard it wrong because he was actually debuted in a Taliaferro strip from 1938). "Sorry for my mistake!" . I'm saying that because I was almost in tears but I know that every fans makes mistakes! .
There, there, nothing to cry about. As for Gus Goose and the Taliaferro problem, it's much like Ludwig von Drake (who also technically made his debut in a strip published before An Adventure in Color): since making a strip is faster than making a cartoon, Taliaferro started doing his comic counterpart to Donald's Cousin Gus after the cartoon had already been begun, but he finished it before they were done animating it.
Well, I almost cried but not really crying and yes, that's true about making a comic strip is faster than making a cartoon. I already know that because this story adaptaption of Private Pluto (not a comic but just a story with text) was published on Walt Disney's Comics and Stories 25 in 1942 (The cartoon was released on 1943) and that the first three Sundaystory adaptations of animated Brer Rabbit sequences were published on the Newspapers in 1945 (Song of the South was released on 1946). So, Taliaferro started doing those comic strip adaptations of Donald's Cousin Gus after it had already been begun? I knew about Ludwig's animated debut in An Adventure in Color but didn't noticed that it was aired after Taliaferro made the comic strips that featured him. OK, thanks for your answer.
I think we can bring non-Disney comics in a separate thread, don't you think?
OK, sorry for getting off-topic! Well, I have some Disney related questions to ask you and some other fans but I will post them later. Those questions are not Mice and Ducks related but I wonder if you will answer them?
Great to hear that! Now I'm going to post some of my questions from you and other fans to answer. All those questions that I'm asking are Forest related. Here are my questions: 1. Do you prefer Zeke Wolf's/Big Bad Wolf's outfits from the cartoons?
Or his outfits from the comics?
2. What do you think of having Fiddler Pig playing with a flute and Fifer Pig with a violin? Isn't that a little confusing?
3. Do you prefer Li'l Bad Wolf in his original outfits?
Or in his outfits from the cartoons (He was featured in Raw Toonage and House of Mouse)?
4. What do you think of Li'l Wolf's friendship with The Three Little Pigs? Do you think their friendship is a good thing or do you prefer him being an enemy with the pigs like his father? What do you think of the moments where he always save his pig friends from his father?
5. Do you prefer Brer Rabbit with eyebrows?
Or without eyesbrows? He don't have them in Song of the South.
6. Do you prefer Brer Rabbit with whiskers?
Or without whiskers?
7. Do you prefer Brer Rabbit with three toes?
Or with two toes?
8. Do you prefer Molly with lips?
Or without lips?
9. What do you think of the love relationship between Brer Rabbit and Molly? Do you think that it is romantic?
10. What do you think of Forest characters appearing in Carl Barks stories like Big Bad Wolf in W OS 1010-04 and Brer Fox in W OS 1010-01?
I'm not sure how many fans will answer all those questions because not all of them are Forest fans .
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on May 28, 2016 9:43:39 GMT
I am a Forest fan, so I'm going to answer.
1. I don't really care for Zeke Wolf's outfit, but I prefer him in his comic version for another reason: I like him better with bigger, rounder eyes and a bigger nose than in the cartoons.
2. I never came across the mistake of Fifer playing a violin and Fiddler a flute. I'd bet that it's just a mistake and that the artist forgot which one was Fifer and which one was Fiddler. It's perfectly possible, especially in foreign stories, because in some countries (like in France) their first name AREN'T Fiddler, Fifer and Practical but something completely unrelated (for instance, the French names are Naf-Naf, Neef-Neef and Noof-Noof, which are meant to sound like a pig's raspy sniffing).
3. Li'l Wolf is definitely better in his cute little comic suit. The cartoon outfit is too modern (plus, it's funnier and more in-character to have Zeke force him to wear clothes similar to his).
4. Now there's a strange question. It's the entire POINT of the stories, their neverending conflict, that Li'l Wolf is a reluctant Bad Wolf, that's where all the comedy comes from. Take it away and what have you left? A wolf trying to catch pigs with a sidekick, which we've seen hundreds of times before.
5. 6. 7. No eyebrows, three toes, no whiskers. Obviously. I prefer him to be completely on-model compared with "Song of the South".
8. I don't really care about the lips themselves, but I definitely prefer the more animalistic design you present for the lipsless version. The first design you show just looks WEIRD, and I'm thankful I never saw it.
9. Yes, it's nice to see it played a little romantically, the perpetual tension between Donald and Daisy can get tiring and sweet though it is, the Mickey/Minnie romance is not as interesting because the characters have less personality.
10. I'm definitely for them. Contrary to a lot of Disney comics fans, I LOVE those kinds of crossovers, and even the weirder ones like Madam Mim/Beagle Boys.
1. I don't really care for Zeke Wolf's outfit, but I prefer him in his comic version for another reason: I like him better with bigger, rounder eyes and a bigger nose than in the cartoons.
2. I never came across the mistake of Fifer playing a violin and Fiddler a flute. I'd bet that it's just a mistake and that the artist forgot which one was Fifer and which one was Fiddler. It's perfectly possible, especially in foreign stories, because in some countries (like in France) their first name AREN'T Fiddler, Fifer and Practical but something completely unrelated (for instance, the French names are Naf-Naf, Neef-Neef and Noof-Noof, which are meant to sound like a pig's raspy sniffing).
3. Li'l Wolf is definitely better in his cute little comic suit. The cartoon outfit is too modern (plus, it's funnier and more in-character to have Zeke force him to wear clothes similar to his).
4. Now there's a strange question. It's the entire POINT of the stories, their neverending conflict, that Li'l Wolf is a reluctant Bad Wolf, that's where all the comedy comes from. Take it away and what have you left? A wolf trying to catch pigs with a sidekick, which we've seen hundreds of times before.
5. 6. 7. No eyebrows, three toes, no whiskers. Obviously. I prefer him to be completely on-model compared with "Song of the South".
8. I don't really care about the lips themselves, but I definitely prefer the more animalistic design you present for the lipsless version. The first design you show just looks WEIRD, and I'm thankful I never saw it.
9. Yes, it's nice to see it played a little romantically, the perpetual tension between Donald and Daisy can get tiring and sweet though it is, the Mickey/Minnie romance is not as interesting because the characters have less personality.
10. I'm definitely for them. Contrary to a lot of Disney comics fans, I LOVE those kinds of crossovers, and even the weirder ones like Madam Mim/Beagle Boys.
OK, Thanks for your answers. It's great to hear that you're a Forest fan. So, you're not much of a fan of The Three Little Pigs cartoons, aren't you? Well, I like the TLP animated shorts but not as much as the Big Bad Wolf/Li'l Bad Wolf comics. I enjoyed the comics more than the cartoons because of Li'l Bad Wolf. Without him, the stories wouldn't be that interesting and be more boring. I'm also thinking that this "Fiddler Pig playing with a violin and Fifer Pig with a flute" is more a mistake by the artists than a mistake by the pigs. It's true that many different countries gave the pigs different names that are not translations of their english names. The first scan of Molly is from ZB4613 and it's the second story that featured her in it. The first story with her is ZB4612 and it's the story where Brer Rabbit met her for the first time. Yes, she had this design with lips when she first appeared but it was only used in the first two stories. Her lipsless version was first used in ZB4702. It's great to see that you liked Brer Rabbit and Molly's relationship but don't really think that it is like the Mickey/Minnie romance or the Donald/Daisy romance or are you talking about Mickey and Minnie's relationship in cartoons or comics? I also love those kind of crossovers because I found them to be very interesting and that it was great to see characters from various universes talking to each other.
Characters like Zeke Wolf or Bre'r Fox (or Dumbo, and Gus and Jaq) crossing over into Carl Barks'stories is proof that Carl himself didn't write the story in question. The Grandma Duck's Farm Friends and Daisy Duck's Diary issues (plus the two Grandma Duck stories from the early 1950's) that Barks drew were written by other writers. While it is interesting to see these characters interact, it is atypical for Barks to "mix universes" like this.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on May 28, 2016 16:47:25 GMT
nectaria-> Oh, I do like the cartoons too. It's just that I like the redesign of Zeke in the comics better. But that doesn't mean I don't like the cartoons themselves.
@debbie -> Well, yes, it is atypical of him, no one denies that. The point here was not whether it was atypical or not, but whether it was a good thing, which nectaria and I think it was.
I have not read a lot of "Forest universe/Song of the South-inspired" comics, to be honest. In France, the "Forest" comics became rare after the early 1980s, and from then on, it was mostly Donald or Mickey-based universes.
I have read read very little Br'er Rabbit comics, and I didn't even know who Molly was until you showed her now!!
Big Bad Wolf is not Big Bad Wolf without his overalls... I am used to him having only one "suspender".
Lil' Wolf's character trait is that he is good and his father bad. All the classic Lil' Wolf stories I have read was about him protecting his Pig friends from his father, so I am used to that. I don't remember Lil' Wolf being bad.
Was Lil' Wolf one of the original three evil sons of Big Bad Wolf? Who turned good? Or was he another son?
Anyway, while I liked the "classic" look of Lil' Wolf being his father's son and dressing like him, I am strongly attached to his "80s kid" look.
Also, for the "Forest universe" fans (and I am guessing you are a big fan of it, nectaria), what do you think of Br'er Bear and Br'er Fox having sons?
What is your opinion of Mina, the girl wolf who is Lil' Wolf's friend? She was mostly used by French comics, where she was drawn a lot like Minnie Mouse back then (by the French): overalls, lace-up sneakers along with the bow on her head!
This panel you just saw? That's her first appearance in a French comic, and she is making fun of Br'er Bear Junior by telling him "Hi, you big stupid ugly Fatso!" Thankfully, she is showing more depth later...
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Yes, that's true about the Barks stories that featured Forest characters or Movie characters weren't written by Barks himself but he only drawn them, debbie. I still think that those characters in Barks universe exists in my headcanon (Yes, I have my headcanon too).
OK, Scrooge MacDuck! It seems that you like both cartoons and comics that featured The Three Little Pigs and Big Bad Wolf. I'm fine with that.
I have not read a lot of "Forest universe/Song of the South-inspired" comics, to be honest. In France, the "Forest" comics became rare after the early 1980s, and from then on, it was mostly Donald or Mickey-based universes.
I have read read very little Br'er Rabbit comics, and I didn't even know who Molly was until you showed her now!!
Big Bad Wolf is not Big Bad Wolf without his overalls... I am used to him having only one "suspender".
Lil' Wolf's character trait is that he is good and his father bad. All the classic Lil' Wolf stories I have read was about him protecting his Pig friends from his father, so I am used to that. I don't remember Lil' Wolf being bad.
Was Lil' Wolf one of the original three evil sons of Big Bad Wolf? Who turned good? Or was he another son?
Anyway, while I liked the "classic" look of Lil' Wolf being his father's son and dressing like him, I am strongly attached to his "80s kid" look.
Also, for the "Forest universe" fans (and I am guessing you are a big fan of it, nectaria), what do you think of Br'er Bear and Br'er Fox having sons?
What is your opinion of Mina, the girl wolf who is Lil' Wolf's friend? She was mostly used by French comics, where she was drawn a lot like Minnie Mouse back then (by the French): overalls, lace-up sneakers along with the bow on her head!
This panel you just saw? That's her first appearance in a French comic, and she is making fun of Br'er Bear Junior by telling him "Hi, you big stupid ugly Fatso!" Thankfully, she is showing more depth later...
She is Brer Rabbit's girlfriend and love interest who appeared in many Sunday Brer Rabbit stories, Disney Studio (S-coded) stories, Egmont stories and Dutch stories. In some stories, she was shown to be a teacher in a school like her debut story. I never said that Li'l Wolf was a bad wolf but he was happened to be called "Li'l Bad Wolf" in the stories where he is a hero. Maybe he was one of the three little wolves who later turned good but we don't know if he had any brothers in the comics universe but maybe he was the only son that Zeke had. It's okay to like his 80s look more than his original look. I'm respecting your opinion on that. I'm fine with Brer Fox and Brer Bear having their sons in this series too but in the original Wolves stories, Brer Bear was seen to have two different sons (Sometimes, he have more than two sons) who none are Junior from the French Wolves series. Brer Fox was also shown to have his own children but that was only shown in the American Sunday BR stories. I think Meana is a good character too but she wasn't only featured in the french stories but also shown in an American story and a small appearance in an Egmont story. I have heard some rumors that she was Li'l Wolf's cousin in the American story but was that true? If that was true then why they made her as a girlfriend of Li'l Wolf? I think some fans will find their relationship incest but I don't have a problem with that because they're too young to have a date or getting married. I think their relationship is more of a brotherly one than a romantic one.
I like Barks' Ducks from 1948-52(Ducks with nostrils and webbed feet), Gottfredson's Mice and Goofy from 1936-43(with eye brows), Murry's Brer Rabbit from 1946, and Joe Carioca from 1943. In general, I'd like a larger variety of animal "species" as secondary and background characters (rather than mostly having "doglike" characters distinguished by their bulbous noses and snouts.
. I'm saying that because I was almost in tears but I know that every fans makes mistakes! 
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. Thanks for the other cover scan too.
