Which is which? One has a ponytail, one has pigtails (or, if you're speaking Midwestern rather than Northeastern American English, one has two ponytails), and one wears a headband.
Which is which? One has a ponytail, one has pigtails (or, if you're speaking Midwestern rather than Northeastern American English, one has two ponytails), and one wears a headband.
Juultje wears the headband and has the short haircut. Babetje has the two pigtails (or, as you put it, two little pony tails. Lizzy has the longer pony tail.
Post by Monkey_Feyerabend on Jun 11, 2018 15:44:28 GMT
I must say that they look very cute and with a strong personality in this modern Dutch form. Whereas they are totally unattractive characters to me in the original outfit, i.e. as three 'little Daisy Duck'. How much the graphical side counts in providing a character with personality! I mean, consider that I cannot read Dutch, so I have not even ever read what they say or do.
Funny that you can do this kind of updates only on secondary characters. (In regular comics, not in reboot of famous multimillionaire tv shows...)
On the other side, one must pay attention not to give too much 'temporary recognizable' or realistic outfits to the characters, since they become rapidly outdate. For instance, in the 80's some French comics made the huge mistake of giving more realistic (supposedly cool?) clothes to Mickey and Minnie. The result is that now those comics look ridiculously so 80's. Fortunately, those Mickey French stories were - as much as I have seen - bad in the first place, so we have no need to go back at giving a look at them.
What are their English equivalents? Do they also have regular color themes?
No, the English AMJ have no regular color themes. Their colors tend to vary, although it seems the most common are yellow, blue, red, green, pink, and purple. Personally, I prefer the Dutch versions.
Fortunately, those Mickey French stories were - as much as I have seen - bad in the first place, so we have no need to go back at giving a look at them.
What are their English equivalents? Do they also have regular color themes?
Does it matter? Has any other national Disney Comics franchise given the three girls different personalities? I don't remember them being any different before we started "Duckies", or their precursor differentiation before the titled "Duckies" gag pages and short stories.
I have no idea which is April, May or June, because The Americans never differentiated them.(as far as I know).
Fortunately, those Mickey French stories were - as much as I have seen - bad in the first place, so we have no need to go back at giving a look at them.
I know Orora would disagree, at least partially.
You got that right. At least, I feel the 80s-ness adds to the charm. It is quite interesting to see Goofy trying to look "urban" by... dressing up in denim, black-leather-jacket with Elvis hair and using French 80s slang to sound "tough".
But this is getting off-topic...
So do Dutch April May and June have distinct personalities? Huey, Dewey and Louie don't have much distinct personalities... the most I remember is that Dewey is the one who gets involved the most with romance, often falling in love with girl ducks with long blonde hair (at least three of them). And it seems that in at least one incarnation, they got personalities similar to Alvin and the Chipmunks, who are also red, blue and green.
Post by Dr Ivo G Bombastus on Jun 11, 2018 22:53:33 GMT
I know some of the Dutch stories have been published in English, but I doubt there was a consistent formula for translating their names. I might check and see if there are two translations that use the same naming scheme.
In theory though they should match in order: Lizzy = April, Juultje = May, and Babetje = June
Haven't we Americans only had one one-pager with the differentiated AMJ? The Halloween one, where one girl realizes she can't ride her bike in a mermaid costume. I could go find that and check on the name assignments...
Rob is of course correct, it doesn't matter which English name we assign to which, since the female triplets have not been differentiated anywhere but in the Dutch Duckies stories. At the same time, I agree with Dr Ivo that the obvious correspondance would be by order. Everywhere I've looked, the standard order for the Dutch names is Lizzy, Juultje and Babetje, so I'd go with Dr Ivo's "translation."
The three girls were not differentiated in any systematic way (or in any way at all, as far as I've seen), Orora, outside of Duckies. They were not individually color-coded (as indeed HDL were not, until--what?--the 1980's?). As others have said, there aren't even three standard colors for them. In some German comics I have, they are all three identically colored in pink! Sometimes they are in pastel versions of the HDL colors: pink, sky blue, light green. But yellow, orange and purple have also been used. Go back in time, and you can find them in red or bright blue!
Nowadays in the USA and Disneyana, the girly colors generally are pink and purple, so those colors dominate for female characters. (Note the colors used to clothe Webby, 1987 and 2017, and Gosalyn in their respective cartoons, and Daisy and Minnie in most contemporary Disney merch.) Next most girly is turquoise. It's interesting to me that, while American girls and women have WAY more options in how to live their lives than they did when I was a child, the cultural color-coding by gender is stronger than it was in my childhood. It was possible in my childhood (early 1960's) for a girl's bicycle to be red, or bright blue. Now virtually all girls' bikes in this country are pink, lavender or purple. Occasionally turquoise. Another sign of the gender-color-coding: those girly colors are avoided for anything a manufacturer wants to sell to males as well as females, such as cars.
I'm just glad that girl ducks aren't stuck in high-heeled shoes anymore. Those 1960's comics with boy ducks with bare webbed feet and girl ducks with heels look so bizarre to me!
I agree with others here that the design of the Duckies AMJ is way more appealing than the traditional design. Let us credit Mau Heymans, who I read was the one who came up with the design! Monkey_F: another example for me of the importance of graphic design in giving a character personality is Garvey Gull. I've only read a couple of stories including the character, and neither story is a particular favorite of mine, but I adopted him into my personal Duckworld right away, because I love the look of the character (Branca). Much more so than any of the kids created for the Donald Duckling stories, he seems interesting and likeable.
In reading about the Dutch Duckies nieces today, I ran across the surprising fact that in Dutch translation, the DuckTales 1987 character we know as Webby, who is Mrs. Beakley's grandchild and not related to any of the other Ducks, is called Lizzy and is identified as Daisy's niece! I think it was on Dutch Wikipedia I read this. Is that the case? And if so, was any explanation provided for why Daisy's niece was living and traveling with Scrooge & Co.? Especially when her two sisters were not? Daisy herself didn't ever appear in DuckTales 1987, did she? So many questions this raises! Maybe Webby was just called Lizzy and then everyone watching "knew" she was one of Daisy's nieces, without that having to be said. In any case, I wonder who made this translation decision and why. Why did they think it was better to use an already existing character than to have a new, DuckTales-specific character? Maybe they figured that with Dutch girls reading Katrien, there was an existing fan base for Daisy's nieces and they might as well capitalize on that.
INDUCKS' character page for Webby does confirm that her name in "old DuckTales" was Lizzy, while her name in new DuckTales is Webby. Or rather, the name of the character called Webby in New DuckTales--it is, after all, a different character, in personality as well as in design.
You got that right. At least, I feel the 80s-ness adds to the charm. It is quite interesting to see Goofy trying to look "urban" by... dressing up in denim, black-leather-jacket with Elvis hair and using French 80s slang to sound "tough".
You may find it charming, but most of potential readers will find just hard to connect with it, hence harder to identify unconsciously with the characters.
It's a theoretical and technical aspect of comics, represented by Scott McCloud "triangle"
The more a character is on the right side of the basis (the side marked with "meaning") the more universal it is. Mickey is strongly on the right, as you can see. By dressing him in a iconic way (red pants with yellow buttons) or with a generic minimalist dressing (generic pants and a generic shirt which is so undefined one cannot even what kind of shirt it is) we reinforce his position on the "meaning side", hence reinforce the universality of the character. If you dress Mickey realistically (on a daily basis, not for special occasions like stories in costumes etc...) then you make him go a bit more to the left of the basis of the triangle, diminishing the number of people that can unconsciously identify with him.
By the way, I advise everyone to read McCloud's Understanding Comics. It's the best book on comics...and it's a comic! It really is an astonishing reading, if you are into comics as a reader and/or a creator.
Monkey_F: another example for me of the importance of graphic design in giving a character personality is Garvey Gull. I've only read a couple of stories including the character, and neither story is a particular favorite of mine, but I adopted him into my personal Duckworld right away, because I love the look of the character (Branca). Much more so than any of the kids created for the Donald Duckling stories, he seems interesting and likeable.
I saw this character only once in a story drawn by Rota, but I did not even finished to read it, it was waaaayyy to childish for me. I suppose it was written by Halas (which I now see is the creator of the character).
I though it was a little eagle, honestly! Anyway, I do not like much hyperactive little boys in real life, so I think this character I am not the best person to sympathize with this little seagull.
In reading about the Dutch Duckies nieces today, I ran across the surprising fact that in Dutch translation, the DuckTales 1987 character we know as Webby, who is Mrs. Beakley's grandchild and not related to any of the other Ducks, is called Lizzy and is identified as Daisy's niece! I think it was on Dutch Wikipedia I read this. Is that the case? And if so, was any explanation provided for why Daisy's niece was living and traveling with Scrooge & Co.? Especially when her two sisters were not? Daisy herself didn't ever appear in DuckTales 1987, did she?
I also identified with one of them, for when I was a child I did not see, or more probably did not remember, the first episodes where she is introduced.
In reading about the Dutch Duckies nieces today, I ran across the surprising fact that in Dutch translation, the DuckTales 1987 character we know as Webby, who is Mrs. Beakley's grandchild and not related to any of the other Ducks, is called Lizzy and is identified as Daisy's niece! I think it was on Dutch Wikipedia I read this. Is that the case? And if so, was any explanation provided for why Daisy's niece was living and traveling with Scrooge & Co.? Especially when her two sisters were not? Daisy herself didn't ever appear in DuckTales 1987, did she?
All I know is that in one famous French version of the Duck Family Tree (which predates Rosa, and, interestingly, also includes the "Scrooge is Grandma's sibling" thing), Webby, under her own name, was included as a niece of Daisy, in spite of the translations of the actual DuckTales material drawing no such tie.