I believe Robb is right! The story in question is "Malayalaya". The name Duckburg can be seen on a radiogram. And in the next Bradbury, "The Flying Horse", one of the Ducks mentions it when they reach the city with their horse.
I'm not sure when non-Barks stories first mentioned Duckburg, but the pre-Barks default was often "Duckville."
Interestingly, the S-coded stories, in their original galley proof form, tended to use "Duckville" for the first several years of their production. Nearly every actual English language publication of the stories has changed it to Duckburg.
I see that the two stories mentioned by sirredknee are:
*Malayalaya (written by Del Connell and drawn by Jack Bradbury, published in One Shots #394, May 1952)
*The Flying Horse (written by an unknown writer and drawn by Jack Bradbury, published in Donald Duck #27, January 1953)
So these are supposedly the first two non-Barks stories to mention Duckburg. Since Barks created Duckburg in 1944, it took eight years for another author to pick it up. Well, it's still less than the 35 years which (I think) passed between the first (1952) and second (1987) use of the name Calisota for the state where Duckburg is in.
@ David
What do you mean that Duckville was the default name "pre-Barks"? Do you mean prior to Barks inventing Duckburg? Unlikely, since in 1944 there weren't many other authors doing duck comics beside Barks. Could it be that you mean Duckville was used prior to Malayalaya and other non-Barks stories using Duckburg?
Last Edit: Dec 12, 2016 22:33:02 GMT by drakeborough
It even took five years for Barks himself to settle for Duckburg, because Donald mentions Burbank as his hometown as late as "Lost in the Andes!".
As for Duckville I don't know if it was used that often, I only came across it twice, in "The Crocodile Collector" (1951) and another story from roughly the same time and written by the same author (Don Christensen).
It even took five years for Barks himself to settle for Duckburg, because Donald mentions Burbank as his hometown as late as "Lost in the Andes!".
As for Duckville I don't know if it was used that often, I only came across it twice, in "The Crocodile Collector" (1951) and another story from roughly the same time and written by the same author (Don Christensen).
I think that "Duckville" was also used by Bob Gregory a handful of times in the late '50s ('58 and '59) and the early '60s ('60-'63). I can't remember it being used other than that and those couple of times in the early '50s.
So, in 1947 and 1949 he was alternating between Burbank and Duckburg, despite the latter having been estabilished since 1944.
Anyway, this is a list (not sure if complete) of all of Barks' mentions of Duckburg prior to May 1952 (that is, prior to "Malayalaya" which has the earliest non-Barks mention of it):
Race to the South Seas (Boys' and Girls' March of Comics Giveaways #41, 1949, month unknown but possibly is June) Letter To Santa (Christmas Parade #1, November 1949)
As for Duckville I don't know if it was used that often, I only came across it twice, in "The Crocodile Collector" (1951) and another story from roughly the same time and written by the same author (Don Christensen).
I think that "Duckville" was also used by Bob Gregory a handful of times in the late '50s ('58 and '59) and the early '60s ('60-'63). I can't remember it being used other than that and those couple of times in the early '50s.
So, Duckville was used in the early 1950's, in the late 1950's and even in the early 1960's? That's more often than I thought. Plus, if the name was used in the first Fethry stories as David mentioned here, then the name didn't stop being used until 1964 or even later. I almost understand now why Forbes wrongfully says Scrooge lives in "Duckville, Calisota". I think it would be interesting to have a list of stories mentioning Duckville (also, there is the fact that according to this Italian map from 2002, Duckville is a different city from Paperopoli/Duckburg).
It would be even more interesting to have a list of stories where Donald's city is called something other than Duckburg. For example, in Donald Duck Captures the Range Rustlers (Vacation Parade #2, July 1951, written by an unknown author and drawn by Paul Murry) the city and its state are referred to as "Sanifornia, Califrisco". Barks himself, in addition to the three mentions of Burbank listed above, mentioned a "Quackville" in a newspaper titled "Daily Quack" in Kite Weather (WDC #42, March 1944); this is just a few months before he created Duckburg (though the story doesn't make it 100% clear that "Quackville" is supposed to be Donald's city).
And how about the newspaper comics? Since they eventually used characters created in comic books (like Scrooge himself) I wonder when did they settled into using the name Duckburg. I have read only a few of Donald's newspaper comics, but I know "Hollywood, Calif" is mentioned at least twice (17 October 1937, 21 August 1944). There are also other occasional names (Hickville on 8 March 1938, Homeville on 3 September 1938, Centerville on 17 March 1939), but it's not clear if they are meant to be Donald's city or a random city.
Last Edit: Dec 14, 2016 17:56:31 GMT by drakeborough
I don't know about the S-code-stories, but I think Robb misremembers about Bob Gregory. I've re-read all of his early stuff recently and I'm sure I would have noticed something anachronistic like the use of "Duckville". (What a fun author, btw.!)
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Dec 19, 2016 13:24:13 GMT
Amusingly, one non-Barks story in Donald Duck #44 refers to it as Duckburg, USA, and the other non-Barks story refers to it as Duckville, USA. Was a little consistency in a single issue too much to ask?
I don't know about the S-code-stories, but I think Robb misremembers about Bob Gregory. I've re-read all of his early stuff recently and I'm sure I would have noticed something anachronistic like the use of "Duckville". (What a fun author, btw.!)
I could very well be mistaken that Gregory was the writer of those stories, as we readers knew only art styles, and didn't know writer's names (other than Barks) in those days. But, I'm pretty sure there were a few references to Duckville during both the late 1950s and the early 1960s in non-Barks stories by similar artists, who weren't Tony Strobl. Unfortunately, I can't remember which stories they were, as if I don't like the artwork, I usually can't give the story a fair chance. It is extremely rare that I can even wade through a story whose art I don't like, and even pay any attention to it. That is why I couldn't get through any of the Tony Strobl-drawn Barks-written Jr. Woodchuck stories, until after I had seen Barks' sketches or Daan Jippes' inks of them. Then, I liked most of them very much. I only mentioned Bob Gregory because the art style in a couple of those stories using Duckville was very like Gregory's (he DID draw a few Donald stories for Western, as I recall).
Duckville is mentioned by Donald right in the first panel.
The writer is listed as "unknown". You'd think Paul Murry would speak up when he saw an outrage of this magnitude, maybe diplomatically point out to the editors that it should be "Duckburg", not "Duckville", maybe even step up to the plate and quietly correct it when he was lettering the darn thing. But no, he took the path of least resistance; went along to get along.
Scrooge MacDuck said:
"Right. By the way, apparently, Daniel Branca redrew this story. Any idea why?"
Duckville is mentioned by Donald right in the first panel.
The writer is listed as "unknown". You'd think Paul Murry would speak up when he saw an outrage of this magnitude, maybe diplomatically point out to the editors that it should be "Duckburg", not "Duckville", maybe even step up to the plate and quietly correct it when he was lettering the darn thing. But no, he took the path of least resistance; went along to get along.
Scrooge MacDuck said:
"Right. By the way, apparently, Daniel Branca redrew this story. Any idea why?"
Do you have a link to the redrawn pages?
The remake's INDUCKS page is here. As far as I can tell from the first page scan, the layout is almost identical, except one panel of the original version is missing, and, thus, what I assumed was the second page's first panel in the original becomes the first page's last panel in the remake.
